Page 7 | Adultery, the Church of England and the Coronation of Charles & Camilla

Inspectamus · 2023-01-26T10:59:06+00:00

Discussed as a thread on [[https://www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1319622-the-church-of-england-has-never-crpwned-a-divorced-King Gransnet]], but not on Mumsnet. What does Mumsnet think? [[https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/king-charless-ceremony-could-invalidated-115854265.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnVrLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAB8aq-ZBo1KVODoy5M4qMV2jXuNSi65nuEfOoJ6d1BGfBDTXvxcHHECu4SKOt0s_c7TXF8V7HwHTElT-5usWgWlQcBitP1IPSwSRBL1QF6X7CvrwO94jamppZlAcC6nKMnqawUBxCMhcXKlCnJaA80AcP1sVD1yOepoFzhJ13meB "The Church of England has never crowned a divorced man as King, let alone one who has publicly confessed to adultery – with the relevant woman expecting to be crowned Queen Consort," Holden writes.]] I think that in these corona-virus and coronation times the Church of England should not be taking liberties with God’s Ten Commandments. But they’re doing it anyway, without explaining to the people and the world how they’re reconciling the conflict in what they preach and their new King & Queen’s actions. How can Charles and Camilla view their adultery as a mistake if it was the means to achieve what they desired? This, in my view, sets a bad example as Supreme Governors of the Church of England’s Christian faith and as defenders of the faith. I’m having a crisis of faith, as it happens. For me, Charles and Camilla’s religious coronation will be evidence that the God behind the Ten Commandments cannot exist.

OutForBreakfast · 28/01/2023 01:10

@vera99 I agree with you that the Archbishop could speak out, but has decided not to. I think most people do not care how the Coronation will make a mockery of the church.

Blossomtoes · 28/01/2023 01:15

OutForBreakfast · 28/01/2023 01:08

The Thief offers up the simple prayer, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.” Jesus accepts His repentance and gives him the promise that the thief on the cross will be with him in paradise.

Are you a Christian? Because if yes your understanding of scripture is poor.

Is it? What’s repentant about asking to be remembered? How do you know how many prayers, simple or otherwise, the King has offered up? If you understanding of scripture is so comprehensive, how is it you’re forgotten the parables of the prodigal son and the lost sheep? And the injunction about those without sin casting the first stone? If you’re really a Christian you’d trust in God and not judge your fellow man.

OutForBreakfast · 28/01/2023 01:20

@Blossomtoes Are you a Christian?

OutForBreakfast · 28/01/2023 01:24

I ask because you do not appear to understand that forgiveness is not simply someone saying - hey just forgive him, its what Jesus would do.
Forgiveness requires real repentance.

Blossomtoes · 28/01/2023 01:27

Forgiveness requires real repentance.

In which case that thief on the adjacent cross wouldn’t have been forgiven. The words repent or even sorry didn’t cross his lips. Frankly it’s quite shocking that someone who purports to be a Christian should be so unforgiving and judgemental. It goes against everything the Christian faith teaches.

OutForBreakfast · 28/01/2023 01:31

I am going to post something on the religion board tomorrow to discuss this with other Christians. I am not interested in talking about scripture with a non Christian who simply baits and misunderstands basic scripture.

Blossomtoes · 28/01/2023 01:35

OutForBreakfast · 28/01/2023 01:31

I am going to post something on the religion board tomorrow to discuss this with other Christians. I am not interested in talking about scripture with a non Christian who simply baits and misunderstands basic scripture.

You have no idea whether or not I’m a Christian. I suggest that your assumption that I don’t understand basic scripture, which is hardly difficult to understand, is purely on the basis that I don’t agree with you and think you’re a hypocrite. But, by all means, flounce and further demonstrate your unChristian tendencies.

OutForBreakfast · 28/01/2023 01:50

I asked you a number of times if you were a Christian and you ignored my question.

AliceOlive · 28/01/2023 04:07

I do not know who said what so please so t take this personally.

But even simple scripture is not easily translated.

and Christian forgiveness requires nothing, in my understanding. It’s granted even though we don’t deserve it.

AliceOlive · 28/01/2023 04:08

do not! It’s not personally written to any poster. Just my understanding.

MaryEllenJones · 28/01/2023 04:18

SenecaFallsRedux · 27/01/2023 13:19

Actually, I don't think there was a refusal. As I recall, it was negotiated, with everyone, including the Queen, agreeing that a civil ceremony followed by a church blessing was the best approach. By giving the blessing, the church did validate the marriage.

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During the blessing the ABC did mention something about "acknowledging our sins and those we have hurt" - can't remember exact words.

So if Chuckie & Cammy have genuinely repented, who is anyone to judge. ?

AliceOlive · 28/01/2023 04:22

Well, I think the point, MaryEllen, is that not one of us was put here to judge. But you crack on.

MaryEllenJones · 28/01/2023 04:27

AliceOlive · 28/01/2023 04:22

Well, I think the point, MaryEllen, is that not one of us was put here to judge. But you crack on.

I believe that's what I said.

Mummyoflittledragon · 28/01/2023 04:31

laughing policeman video

Winniethepig · 28/01/2023 04:38

These coronavirus and coronation times? 😂 I love this line. I'm going to start saying "In these coronation times"

So good.

BadgerB · 28/01/2023 06:51

OutForBreakfast · Today 01:24
I ask because you do not appear to understand that forgiveness is not simply someone saying - hey just forgive him, its what Jesus would do.
Forgiveness requires real repentance.

And you show your lack of both humanity and Christianity by judging Charles' depth of repentance. You can't know. Just because he hasn't wept and beaten his breast in public.
And it was the Queen who decided the Camilla should be crowned.

vera99 · 28/01/2023 07:09

I'm slightly worried having read the OP that we might be entering the End Times and a notorious adulterer ascending the throne might tip the cosmic balance.

quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo2/A88284.0001.001/1:5.3?rgn=div2;view=fulltext

Fifth Prophecy, Mother Shipton.

When York shall be beseeged (Prince Andrew), &c. and the Mayor,*Sheriffes and Aldermen hanged: (ULEZ Sadiq Khan troubles) While the World in∣dureth, after that there shall be no more Kings or Queens in England, but three Lords or Governors shall rule the Nation.(not sure about that one)

fireflown · 28/01/2023 08:27

vera99 · 28/01/2023 07:09

I'm slightly worried having read the OP that we might be entering the End Times and a notorious adulterer ascending the throne might tip the cosmic balance.

quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo2/A88284.0001.001/1:5.3?rgn=div2;view=fulltext

Fifth Prophecy, Mother Shipton.

When York shall be beseeged (Prince Andrew), &c. and the Mayor,*Sheriffes and Aldermen hanged: (ULEZ Sadiq Khan troubles) While the World in∣dureth, after that there shall be no more Kings or Queens in England, but three Lords or Governors shall rule the Nation.(not sure about that one)

Are you the OP?

vera99 · 28/01/2023 08:30

I can see why you would say that but no !

mixedrecycling · 28/01/2023 08:40

Blossomtoes · 28/01/2023 01:35

You have no idea whether or not I’m a Christian. I suggest that your assumption that I don’t understand basic scripture, which is hardly difficult to understand, is purely on the basis that I don’t agree with you and think you’re a hypocrite. But, by all means, flounce and further demonstrate your unChristian tendencies.

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I used to work in an organisation set up by missionaries (long story, not a natural fit for me 😁) and there is a strand of Christianity that is populated by people who have a very clear and rigid view of what a Real Christian believes, and everyone else calling themselves Christian are not Real Christians, no matter how much they base their views on scripture.

The Real Christians were very rule based. They seemed to miss the fairly fundamental point of the New Testament, which is that the obsessive rule-based faith of the Old Testament (and traditional Judaism) misses the three theological virtues of faith, hope and charity.

mixedrecycling · 28/01/2023 08:45

Mind you, I am not bashing Judaism, love the story:

A Rabbi claimed he could recite the entire Torah while standing on one foot. When challenged to make good on the claim he stood on one foot and said “That which is hateful to you do not do to others. All the rest is commentary."

vera99 · 28/01/2023 09:00

mixedrecycling · 28/01/2023 08:40

I used to work in an organisation set up by missionaries (long story, not a natural fit for me 😁) and there is a strand of Christianity that is populated by people who have a very clear and rigid view of what a Real Christian believes, and everyone else calling themselves Christian are not Real Christians, no matter how much they base their views on scripture.

The Real Christians were very rule based. They seemed to miss the fairly fundamental point of the New Testament, which is that the obsessive rule-based faith of the Old Testament (and traditional Judaism) misses the three theological virtues of faith, hope and charity.