Andrew in bid to clear his name

[Viviennemary]

Daily Mail is reporting this, I heard it on Sky News press preview. He is going to try to get her to retract her statement, apologise and pay back the money. It's hard to know what to think. But apparently, she dropped the case against another man after saying it was a case of mistaken identity. Prince Andrew said he can't recall meeting her. Very stramge.

The statistical pattern from time immemorial is not of young women falsely accusing men or accusing them on basis of mistaken identity of the man.

The pattern historically is that some men - whether they are rich and powerful or not- will sexually or otherwise abuse and exploit women. Then afterwards they will pretend it never happened and they don’t know her, she’s lying, she’s mad, she’s a fantasist or whatever. He would never do that thing because he’s a <insert respectable description here>.

So the logical thing always is, to assume she’s right for now, with an open mind that it could be proved otherwise. What is totally unacceptable however, is men using money and social power to get a woman to retract an allegation of this seriousness without going to court.

It would seem that Andrew can’t see that, but surely Charles should be able to see it?
Camilla is a brilliant campaigner against domestic abuse which includes sexual exploitation, I mean…. if he really needed this explaining to him? It’s definitely not OK to try to settle a matter of this importance privately behind closed doors because of how serious the allegation is. Sexual violence and exploitation (or the suspicion or the appearance of) is never to be tolerated.

Always worth reminding ourselves what went on at his private island where the 'great and the good' went and visited at least once by Prince Andrew. The ubiquitous presence of young girls would not be unnoticed and they were procured to go there to be the candy play things of rich powerful men.

“On multiple occasions I saw Epstein exit his helicopter, stand on the tarmac in full view of my tower, and board his private jet with children—female children,” says a former air traffic controller at the airstrip who asked to remain anonymous. “One incident in particular really stands out in my mind, because the girls were just so young. They couldn’t have been over 16. Epstein looked very angry and hurled his jacket at one of them. They were also carrying shopping bags from stores not on the island. I remember thinking, ‘Where in the world have they been shopping?’”

www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/horrors-of-jeffrey-epstein-private-island

Indeed. Brown trousers time for some again - just when they thought it was all over.

Interesting article by Tom Leonard (a decent journalist) for the Daily Mail today on the connections between Epstein and the bankers.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11664541/Lawsuit-alleges-banker-Epstein-ties-linked-sex-trafficking-writes-TOM-LEONARD.html

What a tangled web, particularly regarding those who kept close to Epstein after his 'incarceration' had ended.

This Miami Herald article from 2018 is excellent on Epstein and how corruption protected Epstein and his associates. It names names.

www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html

“This was not a ‘he said, she said’ situation. This was 50-something ‘shes’ and one ‘he’ — and the ‘shes’ all basically told the same story,’’ said retired Palm Beach Police Chief Michael Reiter, who supervised the police probe.

The ordinary police investigators like Chief Reiter who knew the scale of the evidence were let down too by corruption.

So THIS is what Andrew is going to open up? This can of worms? Well good luck to him - because unless he and Ghislaine Maxwell are prepared to 'spill' finally, and do a deal with trusted agents, then all he's got coming his way is a whole bunch of grief from the nefarious network he should never have got involved in. It's truth time Andrew - shit or get off the pot mate.

Maybe it’s a grand masterplan by King Charles to make sure Andrew is properly exposed so can never try to get back into public life.

This YouTube channel, Dreading, does true crime stuff in a very legal way. Looks at the facts and any interview tapes or wiretap tapes and breaks them down and goes into forensic detail about his background, his psychological motivations and the reasons for his known behaviors.

Here‘s their take on Andrew.

I don't think Andrew still yet realises what potential jeopardy he is in. If he does try to re-open the case this is going to overshadow the coronation hugely and affect the reputation of his brother the monarch. All the gamble at best does is frighten VG into backing off - his reputation remains and will always remain in tatters.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-went-sex-clubs-26027791

I'm minded of Reeves and Mortimer here....."you wouldn't let it lie".

But Andrew should "let it lie". Whether he is innocent or not here - and it's impossible to prove, it's all he said she said - his reputation is utterly shot, and I cannot see how he can ever restore it. He has a reputation as a playboy prince who associated with undesirables. He stayed in touch with the convicted child molester Epstein AFTER the conviction. His "good friend" - admittedly her words - is behind bars for her part in Epstein crimes.
Does Charles, or any other member of the family come to that, want all this muck raked up yet again? If only Andrew would shut up and go quietly at least they could move on relatively untarnished.

No his good friend Epstein is not just her words. Andrew said he knew Epstein and was friends but Ghisaine Maxwell was his close friend. Also all those photos of Epstein and Maxwell sitting on thrones in Buckingham Palace and at the Royal Family's private lodge.
And Andrew's interview was obviously chock full of lies.

It's not Harry that's the bomb in the heart of the BRF but Andrew with his depraved, overweening, deluded sense of entitlement. If Charles doesn't shut this down and quick and worse allows this to grow with tacit approval then it's almost a declaration of war against decency and a most terrible opening to his reign.

I really don’t envision how PA can clear his name Even if VG were lying, he’s still just as bad. There is no redemption. If this interferes with the coronation, PA will have even more problems and I imagine the door will be closed on him for good.

@RoseHansBolo I didn’t know Charles is paying for Andrew’s security. I thought Andrew was paying for his own, Ferguson’s and their daughters’ security?

The royals protect Andrew .
Always have

The queen made sure he was seen with her . We've no idea how much she left him as her will is secret

But that's none of our business is it ? Have you got your red white and blue hat ready for a good old knees up at the street party for the conanation ?

Wait a minute . Where are all the royalist posters ?

Can't help thinking being dim and entitled is a disastrous combination.

What's everyone's guess that Prince Andrew has been left by the Queen? Do we actually know how much approx she had to leave?

I wondered previously if she'd decided to make Harry financially independent for life as she was a sensible soul. Someone said she wouldn't have left the grandchildren money in her will, is that so? If she did leave Harry many millions it's possible he'll just quietly retreat from public view?

You'd think so wouldn't you ?

But MSM are presenting Harry as worse than Andrew ( Andrew keeps quiet is their argument apparently).
The the sheep who accept all they are fed by the tabloids go along with it

I've seen it on here from royalists. Deflection and downplaying re Andrew

Absolutely agree with you Vera99
Harry’s not a risk to the monarchy. He and Meghan just want to be living outside it, making lots of their own money and being virtuous thought leaders for the western world. Fine.

The person who is deeply destabilising to the rest of the RF who will want to be ostentatiously just getting on with the job at the moment, to show that everything is OK….that destabilising person is Andrew.

The other members of the RF must all know that the family appearing to shelter someone who is accused of raping a trafficked and coerced 17 year old is a complete disaster for all of them now that HMQ has died. There’s absolutely no way that they can do that without Andrew’s actions being formally further investigated and expect to look any of the rest of us in the eyes.

He and Meghan just want to be living outside it, making lots of their own money and being virtuous thought leaders for the western world.
😂Virtuous? This is so funny! Neither Harry nor Meghan could ever be described as virtuous unless it's some sort of a joke. I don't think they behave admirably or are modest, trustworthy and honestly and their, or at least Harry's drug taking really doesn't paint them in a wholesome decent sort of way. Selling out your nearest and dearest for $$$ is as unprincipled as it comes.

Andrew is disgusting and needs to be dropped by the RF like a hot potato, there really isn't much else to say about that sleeze bag.

Harry and Meghan are irrelevant. We are talking about Andrew.

I didn’t know Charles is paying for Andrew’s security. I thought Andrew was paying for his own, Ferguson’s and their daughters’ security?

Andrew was getting 24/7 tax-payer funded security up until December when Charles apparently started coughing for it.

Andrew is disgusting and needs to be dropped by the RF like a hot potato

If anything they seem to be closing ranks.

Charles is subbing his security and Anne and Edward have been seen on a jolly shooting jaunt with him.

@Peverellshire I’m not sure if it’s as straightforward as that. If Andrew has received any inheritance, this might be used in costly legal fees if he’s pursuing a case against Giuffre. As for Harry, I’m not sure if he was left any inheritance or how much of it as the late Queen did have a lot of grandchildren. But I am not sure if the ins and outs of her will has been publicised though I am sure her children will definitely have inherited from her.

The Queen's Will is sealed as they all are. Prince Phillip's was sealed for 90 years I believe.

@Roussette Is there a similar time limit to the sealing of the Queen’s will like Philip’s ? 90 years is a very long time to keep it sealed for.

@vera99 you are my hero