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ttcstop · 2023-01-20T23:12:17+00:00

I keep hearing this rumour and I'm just curious to know where it comes from? Where is the evidence?

CurlewKate · 08/04/2023 13:26

@ArcaneWireless I think the kids should be off limits too. But they are pawns in the game of survival the royal family are playing.

Maireas · 08/04/2023 13:29

jeffgoldblum · 08/04/2023 13:23

@derxa the sense of injustice and powerlessness, is the worst!
It does make you very intolerant of rumours and bullying.

Exactly that. I think we understand how shite that is. Not a joke, not harmless gossip.

Onthenextcourt67 · 08/04/2023 13:30

ArcaneWireless · 08/04/2023 13:20

Not morally above anyone. I’m not passive aggressively talking about anyone either. I just think all of the kids should be off limits.

I’ve not said anyone is a terrible person either for being a republican either.

As for snide references? Plenty of those on this thread. I have been open about what I think.

And yes Derxa. Me too. And I don’t think anyone who hasn’t been through that really knows how bad it can get.

Who are you referring to exactly then ArcaneWireless when you say (and have said several times) that

“Not everyone on here will be posting with the best of intentions.”

Who and what do you mean?

And I’m sorry that you too have been the subject of malicious gossip.

As you and Derxa have experienced what it is like, and how horrific it undoubtedly is, then why would you both support the Royal children having to live a whole lifetime of it?

Maireas · 08/04/2023 13:32

So hopefully people on here fanning the flames of the gossip may have pause for thought.

Onthenextcourt67 · 08/04/2023 13:33

derxa · 08/04/2023 13:26

Thanks it was many years ago. I was scared to walk down the high street of my local town. If the royals are wise they won't read Twitter or any of the social media stuff. I feel sorry for Meghan and Kate. The made up stuff is vicious about both

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I totally agree.

Onthenextcourt67 · 08/04/2023 13:35

Maireas · 08/04/2023 13:32

So hopefully people on here fanning the flames of the gossip may have pause for thought.

Not “fanning the flames” Maireas just commenting legitimately as everyone has a right to do.

ancientgran · 08/04/2023 13:35

Roussette · 08/04/2023 12:42

I agree. But it's such a huge massive thing to walk away. It's not like 2 months of press about it, then peace for them. They will be criticised, treated with disdain, and followed around for a very lont time. Or until there's another Royal to focus on and shred.

For the next 10 years, this is H&M. Until the kids become fodder for the vile press in our country. Then the media might move away and onto them.

It sounds cynical, and I apologise for that, but I do think I am being realistic here.

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I think that is difficult to assess. If H&M had gone, never done interviews, never written books, just said it wasn't for us do you think it would have all been a five minute wonder? I think it might. I don't suppose anyone can be sure because they didn't do that, which is up to them, so it is all guess work.

notanotheroneagain · 08/04/2023 13:37

ancientgran · 08/04/2023 12:32

It might not be what you or I choose but let's be totally honest about it, William and Kate can walk away if they want to. Edward VIII did, Harry and Meghan did. They are making a choice, no doubt they have weighed up the pros and cons and made their decision, George will be able to do the same.

I'm neither republican or royalist and I don't think I need to lobby for a well educated, intelligent couple who are perfectly capable of making their own decisions.

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I agree and disagree at the same time.

In that, it doesn't look like the monarchy will be going away any time soon. So for me, I don't think any of them should just walk away. I think the palace needs radical reform to work kindly and well with the family within. They are not doing that, currently. The institution is treating the family appallingly, afaics.

Saying, they can just go then. To me, sorry, but it sounds very much like a poc complaining about institutional racism and telling them 'just go then'.

I am not a republican in particular. I was a child and loved Diana with her glamour, beauty and empathy. Like most people I was bereft at her death. I lost interest in RF, but obviously still kept up with news, history etc. They were part of the furniture.

Over the years, I have not been happy with certain conduct of political and financial interference / peado associations / corruption etc. and never will be. But, I have to say, the blatant racism and white supremacy on top of this, is the straw that breaks the camel's back. If none of this changes, me and a lot of people I know, will put our full back into a republic.

ArcaneWireless · 08/04/2023 13:40

The ones I am referring to are the ones who come out with gossipy mince and unfounded rumours.

You know? For the froth and to get the rest of the posters turning on eachother. And as usual, it worked a treat.

I’ll happily stay on my moral high ground (although that is the first time I’ve been accused of that!) if it means I’m not spreading damaging shite about people for shits and giggles. Which this thread was all about on the first place.

It is not for me to decide whether the Royal children endure it or leave. But I don’t think they should be the subject of speculation or gossip because I do think they have more of a protected private life than Harry and William did.

Maireas · 08/04/2023 13:40

I agree, @ancientgran . I do think it's a bit of a risky game. People have said horrible stuff on this thread as we have seen, so I don't think Archie and Lilibet will be exempt.

Maireas · 08/04/2023 13:50

@ArcaneWireless 100% 👍

ancientgran · 08/04/2023 13:51

Roussette · 08/04/2023 12:58

Best decision ever to have 3. Absolutely. Probably if there had been another sibling for W and H, maybe we wouldn't be in this mess!

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I'm not sure about that. the "awkward" position of the middle child of 3 is quite well known. I think it is particularly pronounced if the middle child is the same sex as the eldest, there is the precious first born and the baby and the sort of nothing position of the middle child, mitigated if they are the only one of their sex.

So Harry would still feel second fiddle to William and have grown up with a younger sibling and lets face it the youngest will generally get away with things that the other two didn't with the excuse that they are the baby so a whole new reason for resentment if you are likely to feel resentment.

Easier for Charlotte as the only girl so she has a certain cachet just as George does as the first born (and heir) and Louis does as the possibly more indulged youngest. I don't think they are likely to have more so Louis will always be the "baby" won't he.

Onthenextcourt67 · 08/04/2023 13:52

Why do you keep bringing Archie and Lillibet in to the thread Maireas ?

And thank you for your explanation ArcaneWireless I certainly dislike posters who come on any thread for “shits and giggles” and to generally stir things up, so we can definitely agree on that, but what I find unfair is, that when someone has a legitimate view that is expressed respectfully, they are also categorised as someone with “malevolent intent”.

ArcaneWireless · 08/04/2023 13:54

Not by me they haven’t.

ancientgran · 08/04/2023 13:54

notanotheroneagain · 08/04/2023 13:37

I agree and disagree at the same time.

In that, it doesn't look like the monarchy will be going away any time soon. So for me, I don't think any of them should just walk away. I think the palace needs radical reform to work kindly and well with the family within. They are not doing that, currently. The institution is treating the family appallingly, afaics.

Saying, they can just go then. To me, sorry, but it sounds very much like a poc complaining about institutional racism and telling them 'just go then'.

I am not a republican in particular. I was a child and loved Diana with her glamour, beauty and empathy. Like most people I was bereft at her death. I lost interest in RF, but obviously still kept up with news, history etc. They were part of the furniture.

Over the years, I have not been happy with certain conduct of political and financial interference / peado associations / corruption etc. and never will be. But, I have to say, the blatant racism and white supremacy on top of this, is the straw that breaks the camel's back. If none of this changes, me and a lot of people I know, will put our full back into a republic.

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Walking away from the RF is nothing whatsoever like a POC being told to just go. For a kick off it isn't about anyone telling them to walk away, it is about acknowledging that if they don't like the "job" they can resign just like anyone else.

Roussette · 08/04/2023 13:54

ancientgran. Yes, it's interesting to speculate isn't it...

And we all have experience of this, depending on whether we have siblings, where we fall within our family. And also with our children and that family dynamic too.

(My sibling dynamic is so peculiar, I could write a book on it!)

Maireas · 08/04/2023 13:58

True, they can just walk away, but I suspect the interest in them will continue, although it is possible to live very privately and under the radar. Some manage to. You do have to be quite resolute in ignoring people that write and chat shit, though.

DadOnIce · 08/04/2023 14:00

vera99 · 21/01/2023 04:10

Blair had 5 affairs when in No 10 - I know because a foaf was told at a party where they met Ken Bruce. Not joking.

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Why is Ken Bruce involved in this story? Do we need to guess the year? Is your friend going to be One Affair Out? 😆

ancientgran · 08/04/2023 14:02

I'm a middle of 3 and did definitely notice that I wasn't one of the "special" people. Fortunately not from my parents who are the key players in this but from GPs and the wider family I was just the extra girl. If anything I think my parents possibly over compensated and I wonder if that was why Andrew was always said to be the Queen's favourite, Charles was first and the heir, Anne was the only girl, Edward was the baby. Did the Queen over compensate with Andrew?

I think it is a hard thing to get right and I hope I managed it as my middle child, 2nd boy, is probably the most well adjusted of mine so I feel like I must at least be credited with not getting it wrong if that makes sense.

Maireas · 08/04/2023 14:11

@DadOnIce - thank you, that really made me laugh 😂! Poor Ken Bruce, getting drawn in to that!!

Forthelast · 08/04/2023 14:17

ancientgran · 08/04/2023 14:02

I'm a middle of 3 and did definitely notice that I wasn't one of the "special" people. Fortunately not from my parents who are the key players in this but from GPs and the wider family I was just the extra girl. If anything I think my parents possibly over compensated and I wonder if that was why Andrew was always said to be the Queen's favourite, Charles was first and the heir, Anne was the only girl, Edward was the baby. Did the Queen over compensate with Andrew?

I think it is a hard thing to get right and I hope I managed it as my middle child, 2nd boy, is probably the most well adjusted of mine so I feel like I must at least be credited with not getting it wrong if that makes sense.

I think she had Andrew at a time when she was ready for a baby. She was too young with the first two add too wrapped up in a new marriage, duties and grief.

dew141 · 08/04/2023 14:18

Maireas · 08/04/2023 13:32

So hopefully people on here fanning the flames of the gossip may have pause for thought.

I don't see my commenting that George looks a bit overwhelmed at times is fanning the flames of gossip.

The flipside of all the Royal trappings and luxury is that their kids are sometimes in the public eye and people (aka the subjects) are entitled to a polite opinion. K&W understand that's the deal as heirs to the throne and the RF needs public buy-in and support.

By the same token, H&M could have chosen complete privacy for their kids but have chosen to share parts of their kids' lives.

Roussette · 08/04/2023 14:20

It is said that Andrew was indulged because with Charles and Anne, she felt she neglected them a bit by going on a worldwide royal tour when they were very little and when Andrew came along, she could properly be there for him. Hence she spoilt him a bit.

There's lots of stories out there of how indulged and badly behaved he was when young. No idea how true it is. But adult behaviour leads me to believe it is!

notanotheroneagain · 08/04/2023 14:28

ancientgran · 08/04/2023 13:54

Walking away from the RF is nothing whatsoever like a POC being told to just go. For a kick off it isn't about anyone telling them to walk away, it is about acknowledging that if they don't like the "job" they can resign just like anyone else.

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It's more than a job. It's a family.

You don't even choose to 'apply', you are just in.

Serenster · 08/04/2023 14:28

Those saying that a republic is better, if you are thinking about the impact on the individuals and their children, I don’t think the treatment of Hilary and Chelsea Clinton, the Bush twins, Michelle, Sasha and Malia Obama and Melania Trump by partisan voters and press corps would support that argument.

I think France is a better example, where the press and public genuinely don’t seem that bothered about the personal lives of their presidents. Mitterrand concealed a mistress and daughter until his death. Sarkozy and Hollande both had separations and new relationships while in the public eye. They caused far less of a stir than anything we see here. But that’s a cultural issue as much as a constitutional one.