Palace courtier controlling Queen?

[Bugeyedowl]

Did anyone find the part in the book where Harry tries to talk to the Queen on the phone a bit sinister?

He says her voice sounded 'strange' and she said she suddenly wasn't available to see him despite telling him earlier that she was. Apparently "that was what Bee told her". Then he asks her "is he there in the room with you?" She doesn't reply.

Was the Queen being shifty or was Bee telling her what to say? What was going on there? Was the Bee controlling the Queen? It seems the Palace courtiers have a lot of control over the family... Why/how would they have so much power over actual royals? Sounds almost like a hostage situation!

I reckon they told each of them individually that they were their favourite 🤣

Now that I can well imagine!😂

he knows camilla will always be the OW to many people.

To rehabilitate Camilla's reputation. It's interesting how she has close ties to both Clarkson and Piers Morgan, two of Meghan's biggest bullies in the media, no?

Meghan was given a pass on so many things that were massive red flags.

Like what?

Meghan’s only interest in philanthropy has been shown to be in the development of her own career

How has it been shown?

If anything the bullying scandal and suppressed report showed how MUCH the RF have swept under the carpet for H and M

Or perhaps it was actually inconclusive, and didn't really show what they wanted it to show?

they thought they should be running the show and brooked no criticism.

Did they? How do you know?

Bearing in mind, that many of us are shocked at some of the depths the manchild has and is prepared to sink to, despite us knowing he was far from being an angel, it's equally possible that she just didn't want to be on her own with him!
( Did he laugh at her when she had difficulty getting around over the last year or two? Did he find it funny that her bones would maybe cause her not to be able to walk properly or negotiate stairs? )

As far as being controlled by anyone is concerned, iirc, after the oprah interview Charles wanted to issue a point by point rebuttal of the accusations and claims, it was the queen who told him not to. So she was quite able to make her own mind up when needed.

1. how long do you think she has known both Morgan and clarkson? How does denigrating Meghan rehabilitate camilla? People can hate two members of the RF at once you know. In fact, most do.
2. Her massively dysfunctional family for one, the manner in which she ditched her first husband for two, her history of drug taking for three…
3. Tom Bower goes in to it in detail in his book and speaks to various people who were involved in UN Women (huffed off when she wasn’t given a plum position) and world vision (insisted on bringing her own photographer and stylist to Africa and had a personal photo shoot with outfit changes) whilst on a trip for them to a village where the population lived in one room mud houses and had no access to water.
4. Possibly re the bullying report but how does that explain the high rate of staff turnover (which continues to this day) and the NDAs.
5. You are right about wanting to be top dogs, that is just my opinion. However they clearly will brook no criticism as they have yet to accept any, ever as valid.

I would like to know what level of influence the courtiers have. Presumably the publicly funded RF members can't go around doing what they want without some sort of approval. Harry seems to have taken umbrage at someone doing his job. Who probably knew Harry was going to try to waltz in and manipulate his grandmother. Who seems to have been historically pretty good at making tough decisions and coldly removing herself from family in order to do her job properly.

Meghan says the family is in conflict with the family business but it is not a business. I wonder if she and Harry appreciate how complicated and long-winded decisions involving public funding can be.

He wrote that about the queen knowing that she could still be alive when the book was released 😬

how long do you think she has known both Morgan and clarkson? How does denigrating Meghan rehabilitate camilla?

No idea. But going by Harry's book Camilla and Charles were desperate to make her popular and improve her rep by leaking stories that put H&M (and also W&K at times) in a bad light.

Her massively dysfunctional family for one, the manner in which she ditched her first husband for two

So what if she has a dysfunctional family, she is not responsible for how they behave, is she? And the Markles seem like a bunch of sh*ts anyway. Or do you think Meghan should be judged because of them?! Sins of the father etc?

Her husband - don't know about it but it takes two in a marriage, two in a divorce, two in a story

her history of drug taking for three…

You what..?! Are you making that up? Surely you mean her sister? Or Harry? He definitely owns up to that. I've never heard that about her.

Tom Bower goes in to it in detail in his book and speaks to various people who were involved in UN Women (huffed off when she wasn’t given a plum position) and world vision (insisted on bringing her own photographer and stylist to Africa and had a personal photo shoot with outfit changes) whilst on a trip for them to a village where the population lived in one room mud houses and had no access to water.

Haven't read his book so I don't know about that but she was an actress at that time and was publicising the causes? I bet most celebs have hair and makeup done for publicity too.

Possibly re the bullying report but how does that explain the high rate of staff turnover (which continues to this day) and the NDAs.

I have no idea, there are many reasons for staff to turnover. NDAs? All the staff at the RF have to sign NDAs. In fact, most staff working for celebrities in general have to sign NDAs. I've known of some that have myself. Not sure what that's got to do with anything.

You are right about wanting to be top dogs, that is just my opinion. However they clearly will brook no criticism as they have yet to accept any, ever as valid.

Most of the criticism seems to be just bitching to me, most of it is just opinions, repeated enough times over and over that most people think they're facts. TBH if I was criticised endlessly for just existing I wouldn't accept it either.

This.

Having worked in a family business, you can not underestimate how useful it is to have a grey suit to pin bad decisions on - it makes family dinners much more congenial.

*her history of drug taking for three…

You what..?! Are you making that up? Surely you mean her sister? Or Harry? He definitely owns up to that. I've never heard that about her*

Allegedly, weed was given out as a favour at her first wedding.

1. Going by Harry’s book - not v reliable. Also still had no explanation why camilla would be dissing Meghan to raise her own profile or make her seem better. Be glad to have any explanation whatsoever rather than you moving the goalposts. Doesn’t seem a sustainable point to make.
2. No I don’t think any one should be judged by the sins of their father but for a family that’s supposed to be entirely obsessed by image the family is a grenade with the pin out. Re divorce her 1st husband learnt his marriage was over when Meghan fed exed her rings back to him. Multiple sources have confirmed.
3. No I mean Meghan re drugs. They handed out joints as favours for guests at her first wedding. Again confirmed by multiple sources.
4. Have hair and make up done and pose for photos for your own publicity in front of some of the most financially deprived people on the planet? Sounds genuine.
5. Valentine Low of the Sunday Times has done a whole series of articles on the bullying, the ndas and the bullying report. Might interest you to read it.
6. Most reasonable people acknowledge that they cannot get it right all the time and that some criticism may be valid, nobody is perfect.

I've read Tom Bower's book and in it he surgically debunks Meghan's self styled status as a passionate philanthropist. Infact, Meghan only managed a grand total of three philanthropic visits in the 15 years after becoming an adult and meeting Harry. This wasn't through her lack of trying, it was because those at the helm of various charities realised she only wanted to use them for self promotion. One example is her doing a fashion shoot against the backdrop of an incredibly impoverished African village. Just wrong on every level.

And for all her inspiring talk of wanting to spend much more time in Africa, raising awareness and whatnot? She's actually chosen to sit pretty in a 10 million dollar mansion in one of the most expensive residential areas on the planet, wrapped in an Hermes blanket. Funny that?

I reckon she was fed up wit( the ginger whinge and just couldn’t be arsed seeing him

she was an astute judge of character, after all.

But going by Harry's book Camilla and Charles were desperate to make her popular and improve her rep by leaking stories that put H&M (and also W&K at times) in a bad light.

That argument is defeated by the first five words. Harry's book is not evidence of anything, it's been shown far too often to be unreliable.

… “and some mothers” great typo/autocorrect!

The Queen was the boss, no way she would have been controlled. She may have had many moments of consideration and reflection, but she wouldn’t be controlled.

Harry is a moaning man-child who doesn’t like being told “no”. And he doesn’t like to take responsibility for anything in his life.

That sums things up in a nutshell. Why waste more words?