Palace courtier controlling Queen?

[Bugeyedowl]

Did anyone find the part in the book where Harry tries to talk to the Queen on the phone a bit sinister?

He says her voice sounded 'strange' and she said she suddenly wasn't available to see him despite telling him earlier that she was. Apparently "that was what Bee told her". Then he asks her "is he there in the room with you?" She doesn't reply.

Was the Queen being shifty or was Bee telling her what to say? What was going on there? Was the Bee controlling the Queen? It seems the Palace courtiers have a lot of control over the family... Why/how would they have so much power over actual royals? Sounds almost like a hostage situation!

@Backstreetsbackalrightdadada None of them can just rock up. They have to arrange an appointment. It is a very formal family.

Great post. Of course it's the courtiers in charge. Sarah Ferguson was complaining bitterly about the men in grey suits in her tell all book and in an Oprah interview.
They run the whole shebang, and that means you have offices at odds with each other, they are each bigging up their side and making sure their 'office' is looked upon favourably. They are the true power behind the Palace.

All these private secretaries will be squabbling amongst themselves. And it's gobsmacking the crossover between parliamentary aides and these courtiers, back and forth they go. The Palace also may champion diversity (yes really) but every single Private Secretary have been white men. No POC, no women.

It's time for an overhaul.

Why would Harry attend summer meet ups given some of the family hated him?

It's called the operation of cause and effect, isn't it? abuse members of your close family and demand they apologise for all those wrongs he's accused them of, they're not going to be exactly welcoming.

@MrsDanversGlidesAgain So accept the whole family, or you get none of them. It is a common toxic family dynamic.

He did visit her in Windsor shortly before the Invictus Games.

but this specific compliant in the book and I think also mentioned in the Oprah interview was that he couldn’t get a private meeting with her before he announced his leaving the UK. He had wanted to discuss the half in half out deal and she’d told him he had to sort out the details with his father first. And Charles had told him to put it all in writing so they could discuss it.

Then he tries to see her on her own and she first agrees and then says she’s busy and forgot she wasn’t free.

It’s possible she’d agreed to see him thinking the whole thing had been sorted out with Charles and then found out it was still not resolved -I don’t think it was ever put down in writing for Charles. And was advised not to have the meeting because Harry was going to try to get her involved in the details again - perhaps trying to overrule whatever Charles was saying etc.

@babsanderson

Was friendly with his cousins, maybe not so much after the book!

His cousins seem to understand the privileged lives they lead - keep your mouth shut, turn up to open a village fete, health clinic or film premiere, and in return you get complimentary housing, a clothing allowance and everyone wants you to attend their parties, you can even do charity work for your pet cause all without the need to actually work. Not a bad life.

Not what I said at all, and meaningless as a statement, but whatever.

He didn't want to see granny to say hello though did he, he wanted to discuss his 'deal' as his father hadn't given him what he wanted, that's quite a different scenario. I don't think his family hated him then did they?

Idk. Maybe. Equally HMQ may have got wind of the reason for his visit and called it off. He was not going for a biscuit and a chat. Or perhaps HMQ was taken ill and advised to not exert herself. We now know about the cancer. Harry had a ‘political’ agenda rather than a desire to catch up with granny. I don’t think a woman in her twilight years should have been expected to entertain his demands with no one else in the room.

Harry isn’t hated by his family though, he just doesn’t see eye to eye with his dad and brother (and subsequently their wives)

Do you remember last year when Harry was interviewed and he said he wants to make sure the Queen has the right people around her? It could have been just after Philips death… as soon as I read about the bee, I figured this was who Harry was referring too.

I can imagine the palace is a scrappy place to work, the heirachy, the gossip, the importance of keeping up appearances, it doesn’t sound unbelievable to me to hear that the Queen was being badly advised and was just going along with it.

Or maybe the Queen was perfectly happy with her advisors but Harry wasn’t. We don’t know.

Idk why but why do I picture Varys from Game of thrones as the Bee!

Oh this was him discussing his deal? Lol I can imagine why she’d want to dodge that sales pitch!

can totally imagine whoever all these grey suit men are, they’re cut-throat. Can also imagine the royals, as family, talk to each other and fairly usually see through bull and are distrusting of staff as with the public.

On the half half deal, the queen made the decision to not accept it - thought that was certain? Maybe Harry just doesn’t want to admit she didn’t back it. She certainly never changed her mind, and had plenty of time to 🤷‍♀️

Was the Queen being shifty or was Bee telling her what to say? What was going on there? Was the Bee controlling the Queen?

Or is this just more of Harry's seemingly unending stream of bullshit?

And on the half half deal, that was before she was ill and as frail, before Philip died?

thought in a PM’s biography (or several) queenie is noted as having actually read a lot of the briefings given her - she was clued up. Maybe liked reading all the info to avoid influence from staff… but always heard she was very informed. Can’t imagine the half-half decision was any different? And can’t imagine the woman who made a promise to dedicate her whole life to service was into the idea of half royal half “whatever the hell they’re doing now”.

anyway… as with anything, Harry shit or get off the pot. If there were problematic people then name them!! Give specifics, set out names and dates and details, not just huff out vague insinuations. This is like the bloody racism claim (I’m anti monarchy and definitely if they’re racist)… oh you’re saying there’s no racism. So the award you received was for…?

Btw the royal threads are great if you don’t have an interest in any camp :) but… as someone who REALLY liked H and M, he is coming across as a real piece of work in his own book

I was being sarcastic in my reply. I totally agree with you. That her courtiers were lying to her is the least likely thing to have happened here

The last 2 years of her life it was said the Queen was ill, and H&M were not in the UK much, seems to me she was probably being treated and not telling Harry becasue the lack of trusts means they wouldn't want it released to the Newspapers. Which they succeeded in doing, no leaks, funny that worked so well!

When did Harry leak stories before he left the country?

Yes H and M probably still v resentful they didn’t get the pictures they wanted with the queen and their children taken by their own photographer. Another reason to pour such venom on those nasty courtiers. Liz was no dozer, even in her later years.

You don't have a clue if anyone stopped her from seeing him. The only thing that's likely to have done it is Harry's behaviour. The queen may not have wanted to see Harry without some telling her not to.

She was also over 90yo and like a lot if people that age will have been easier to control that a 30 or 40yo….

How very ageist. You know the queen isn’t the same as Agnes down the street? She has been dealing in high level diplomacy all her life and often in v tricky situations. There is absolutely nothing to say she was any less in control or less capable of evaluating the information being given to her and by whom than she was when younger.

Remember Rasputin and look what happened there

The paranoia on display with regard to this whole ridiculous circus is hilarious

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