Iran’s comments on Harry

[PoochPalace]

As expected, Harry I’ll advised comments on his active service has drawn attention from extremists.

Iran’s Foreign Ministry have alleged tweeted:

“The British regime, whose royal family member, sees the killing of 25 innocent people as removal of chess pieces and has no regrets over the issue, and those who turn a blind eye to this war crime, are in no position to preach others on human rights.”

The punctuation's a bit iffy but I had no problem understanding it.

Or are we here just for more Harry bashing?

What are you here for?

I mean, it's the taliban. I'm pretty sure that running a headline saying he'd killed a taliban chief would piss them off just as much as them saying he'd killed 25 fighters. The taliban are hugely into hierachy and they value their senior figures far more than they do their fighters.

Do you think the Taliban and countries like Iran care about context? They're hardly going to read the book and go, oh we've had rethink and Harry is a very reasonable fellow.

They're going to twist whatever they can to justify influence and win support to their cause. And when they can legitimately show Harry's actual words written on paper, that's going to make it evermore easy.

I'll take your word for that, as I don't have your insight and knowledge about the Taliban.

Harry was out there fighting when The Sun ran a headline saying he'd killed a taliban chief. Would that not have made him a target too?

He already was a target though. When his second deployment occurred (the first 10 week deployment was a secret, with the explicit co-operation of the UK media) the Taliban spokesman as was quoted as saying: "We are using all our strength to get rid of him, either by killing or kidnapping. We have informed our commanders in Helmand to do whatever they can to eliminate him."

(I presume that the Army felt as an Apache crew member he was at considerably less personal risk than he had been in his first tour when he was ground crew for the air support)

They're going to twist whatever they can to justify influence and win support to their cause. And when they can legitimately show Harry's actual words written on paper, that's going to make it evermore easy

And they aren't going to take Harry's post publication justification that 'oh I wrot about that to do my bit to alleviate eteran suicides' as anything other than western forces being weak and plagued with guilt about their role in killings in Afghanistan and elsewhere, either.

But it's not just about the Taliban chiefs - it's about all the foot soldiers and followers they want to sway and influence.

Telling people that Harry killed 25 of your innocent compatriots is a far greater weapon and will be effective in whipping up anti-west sentiment.

And that's what the Taliban did literally straight away - said that they'd checked the dates and could confirm that it wasn't soldiers that Harry killed, but innocents. Of course it's bollocks but that's not the point - the point is that Harry handed them PR material that's far more effective than anything they could have dreamt up by themselves.

Can you not understand that there's a difference between what a red top, gung-ho newspaper might splash as a headline in the heat of war, and what the King's son says now in the midst of an ongoing, delicately balanced, diplomatic "war".

Every country has its newspapers and other media, everyone knows (or should know) that their contents should be taken as propaganda that is steered by their owners and which should be taken with a dose of salt.

A newspaper headline is nothing like the personal account of the head of state's son, and how he feels/felt about enemy combatants. The same body of combatants who are once again running that country because we, the UK, marching in on our moral high ground, completely fucked the whole operation up. Iran is just jumping the bandwagon rolled out for them by Harold.

Yes, I'm sure the Scum news paper already tried to make Harry a target. Their headline would have done more damage than Harry saying he killed 25, and tried for non of them to be civilians.

It's war, he was a soldier, of course he killed people. That is not secret information the press tried to make sure of that.

How the answer to this is, well we can't now hold them accountable for their disgraceful human rights is simply mind boggling.

I definitely don't think they care about context, but I don't think that's a reason for us to be dicated by them. The London bombings weren't really 'provoked' by anything other than the ongoing war and their hatred of the West but they still happened, and The Sun and the other papers who are now lining up to berate Harry still created propaganda to justify the war in the years following.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that when it serves our country's purpose to provoke the taliban by creating jingonistic war propaganda about out hero prince killing taliban chiefs (while the same hero prince is still out there fighting, and still very much a target), we shrug our shoulders and say that's war. When an individual who actually put his life on the line to fight that war then speaks and reflects on his experiences years later, he's told absolutely not. I just find it hypocritical and wanted to speak on it here.

How the answer to this is, well we can't now hold them accountable for their disgraceful human rights is simply mind boggling

I don't think anyone's saying that apart from Iran.

It doesn't matter if something is taken out of context or not. It was said, word for word.

Harry should have been well aware that no matter what words came before or after his comments about killing 25 people and seeing them a chess pieces, he still has admitted to killing 25 people who he de-humanised and put these words in print for the world to see.

Of course in war, death is inevitable, but death of anyone is unpleasant. People will have lost a brother, a partner, a sister, a parent or a child for each of these deaths. These are human beings and it is not ok to advertise your killings and the number of them and to tell how you de-humanised these people. Of course this is inflammatory.

It is, in the eyes of the world, a member of the British royalty who is advertising his kills. It is not the rights or wrongs of what harry did in war that is of question. It is the fact he should know this would be inflammatory to many people in many parts of the world. He can not excuse what he said and blame 'the paps'.

He has enough experience of the paps to know they can quote you without including the before and after sentences, and he should have know this would have been a noteworthy comment likely to destabilise his own security and that of others.

If he did not know that, he should certainly have been advised. Maybe he was advised and chose to ignore the advice, maybe he wasn't, but ultimately, and unfortunately for him and our country, he has no-one to blame but himself as legal author.

I don't think anyone's saying that apart from Iran

So why is their "alleged"tweet of any relevance then if it's complete BS??
OP did they tweet it or not ? I'm not sure the starting of a thread on an alleged instance ?

As an international citizen/foreigner, the US and UK's names are synonymous with war crimes in the name of human rights, at least in my country.

Yes, the Taliban are obviously evil (though it's pretty well-known through the rest of the world how the US initially and deliberately created/trained/funded them). But given the UK's reputation, I don't think boasting about killing people in general is smart, especially as we only have Harry's word that they weren't actually civilians.

War crimes / atrocities of Empire (which are not taught in your schools) for context. I know it's a throwaway line in a trashy book but given the former prince's place in the British establishment this will only solidify the UK's global reputation

Exactly. Stupid boy. So much power he doesn't know how to use it.

Of course I imagine a lot of you were extremely vocal when our previous PM/Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson actually betrayed one of our citizens in Iran Nazanin Zaghari and added to her woes in Iran. If not it's just more performative outrage aimed at the hapless Prince who actually served his country in armed service risking his life in the process. Has Strep A been blamed on him yet if not why not ....

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/12/boris-johnson-nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-richard

Yes. A lot of us were really fucking outraged about this actually. And a lot of us can't believe that it was glossed over, or talked about with just a bit of an eye-roll and a tut. I still find it almost unthinkable what happened to that poor, poor woman and Boris' role in it all.

Genuinely horrific.

Yet again though, it's whataboutery.

We're talking about a very naive decision by Harry to include this information in his book. And I cannot believe you genuinely think it was a good decision to use his phraseology, and provide that level of detail because it was ALWAYS going to be used as propaganda by the Taliban etc. But he's blaming the press for that too. It's so bloody frustrating.

I think this is all an ill thought out shakedown. He wants his security paid for by the British taxpayer.

Absolutely, @StalkedByASpider

Whether they were top guys in the Taliban or innocent civilians at this stage we won’t ever know.

Harry put the number out there. And spoke about it in his book. Whether he spoke about it in a reflective tone or in a detached manner it doesn’t matter. He still put it out there. For a war that has been deemed illegal.

Regardless of his intention behind it, he has caused a huge amount of tension to arise here. He has put a target on his back and made life for British soldiers much more dangerous than they already were. The fact that he can’t see that is what’s irritating a lot of people.

Would this revelation also not make him a danger to have on American soil?

@DewinDwl Its all over the news, so it's disingenuous to pretend that the tweet is 'alleged'.
If you really need a link then here is the Twitter feed.
twitter.com/IRIMFA_EN

I genuinely feel like I am talking to Harry himself, as he bangs on relentlessly about what certain papers publishing stuff about him decades ago as well.

It does not matter what the sun printed years ago, it is not relevant to what is happening right now. Two wrongs won't make a right.

It is entirely possible that it was wrong of the sun to publish their headlines back then, none of us can be surprised about that, the paper is not known for its ethics is it?!

Harry is also wrong for publishing his kill counts in his book, especially as he has so much more to lose than some random journo that no one knows or cares about that works for some grotty paper. Harry is a prince, a global figure for a good or bad reasons now and an ex working royal.

Of course the risk has now increased, Harry himself admits that even if he doesn't take responsibility for it (again) so I am not sure why you are the only denying that reality. Even the MI5 representatives have commented on the risk increase repeatedly. You are the only one that thinks differently.

I am all for Harry and other vets writing their experiences, and getting it all out in the open but you don't actually publish them in a book that you knew was going to go global. You can write out your feelings to your heart's content, but you don't harm others with your memories and your 'healing'

You especially don't put your own toddler children in the firing line by not considering their needs and risk. It is absolutely unbelievable to me, given Harry's childhood and issues that he has exposed his own tiny children this level of exposure and risk. I am stunned by it, and he is no longer safe and nor are they.

What happened to the quiet private life they wanted??!!

It is a slow moving car crash - the whole world just stands by watching slack jawed unable to help, paralysed. It is not fun to see Harry blowing up his life, and that of his young family in the process.

'Your truth' doesn't trump the security risks to your own toddlers!!

That Harry is a bit thick and acts before he thinks isn't in doubt it would appear the world's sin fall upon his shoulders. One of the reasons there is so much anger floating around in the world is not just covid but also a segment of our political class cheer leaded on by 2 PMs that's actually criminal. There is a peer still 'serving' in the House of Lords who is the son of a sanctioned former KGB official and yet the PM who ennobled him walks free. Harry maybe misguided, selfish, ignorant and many other things but Iran will do what it does regardless of what he says they are just shit stirring given the level of outrage that the UK is generating on this. It's no stretch of the imagination to say those punting this position are singing Iran's tunes on this and making the matter worse than it needs be and by doing so are partial mother's to the deed. No one elected Harry and ultimately he's accountable to no one but his family and the law.

Poor old Harry is acting as lightening rod for that anger no doubt much to the satisfaction of a British establishment that would rather we didn't turn that searchlight and anger on them. Hopefully one day we will.

I think Harry new exactly what he was doing, it’s all to get his security paid for by the British tax payer, he doesn’t care about the fallout just so long as he doesn’t have to stump up his own security costs. They both want to be IPP’s this is their way of getting it.