William was in the wrong re Harry’s wedding

[MaybelleMary]

Re William didn’t stay over with Harry the night before his wedding and caused a fuss about having to go to the hotel he was in the night before for dinner. As his only brother and as best man he should’ve been there with him. We hear all the time how wonderful and amazing Catherine’s family are - surely on the occasion of his only sibling getting married her parents could’ve come over to help her with her newborn and the children for the night. They have nannies and cleaners and staff so not exactly short of help in general.

my DH has only one brother too. He got married when my baby was 6 weeks old post a difficult c-section. We went to the hotel for 3 nights - so DH could have drinks with his brother and bridal party the night before, the night of the wedding and the night after the wedding. I was fine with this as it was his only siblings wedding. Yes it was difficult for me and exhausting but it was important to us both that we made a big effort for his DBro especially as (like Harry) they were missing a parent at the wedding.

from my view either William or Catherine or both didn’t care enough to put themselves out for Harry and his wedding which reflects poorly on them.

I have a family member who swears I was present and witnessed a similar event. It didn’t happen at all the way he describes. But I’ve been told repeatedly that it did, I was there and that I’m just protecting the other person. Sometimes he says I’m afraid of the other person. Sometimes he says that person supports me so I lie. Sometimes he says I’m traumatized so I don’t remember. None of this is true. But wow, it’s disturbing.

This is not the only time I’ve been told I was present for something when I was not. In the next story he was arrested and I bailed him out. That bit is true. But now when he recalls the story, I was there when we was arrested. He’s convoluting multiple memories. I was there at the same bar a different time, but not the night he was arrested. But he’s certain of it.

These are just two out of many examples where his mind is just not functioning properly. He also started using drugs and smoking marijuana daily as a teen. We also have experienced severe trauma as children.

All of these people involved deserve empathy and respect. We have zero clue what they are going through, but it is likely excruciating.

Harry's not important enough to be given a bank holiday, but too important not to plan for it being televised. So it had to be a Saturday. I can believe they were told what date they could have, there are a lot of important diaries about. You may not remember, but Charles and Camilla had to reschedule at incredibly short notice because the Pope died. No one individual can be in complete control of timings just because of who they all are.

In terms of venue, there's a range of possibilities.

It may have been the case that they would have really liked a small ceremony with only close family in Botswana (or wherever) but knew it was a non-starter and never seriously considered it. It may be that the stress of the whole thing made them wish they'd done something privately. It may be that Meghan would really have preferred a small ceremony and Harry a royal one, but trying to maintain a united front.

One of the themes of the book is that Harry wanted what William had. So, it fits that he might have wanted a Westminster Abbey wedding. It also fits with other things we know that it didn't happen because Harry's wedding needed to be less prestigious than William's, given their relative status. But it's possible that there were also, other more practical reasons for that choosing Windsor. In any case, the final decision on whether Harry could marry in either place was Elizabeth's as they are both under the direct control of the monarch.

I haven't had something so extreme but a friend once stopped speaking to me because of something someone overheard me say about her.

It absolutely did not happen. Not even accidentally because the thing I was accused of saying (about her appearance) wasn't something I had ever thought even in my own head, let alone out loud.

It was a bizarre experience - and I could never get her to believe me that it hadn't happened.

@wordler Any chance she knew it wasn’t true?

I don't know - it's bugged me for years - happened over 30 years ago and I still think about it from time to time. It's awful being accused of something you haven't done. I'd never be able to cope with the mass speculation and accusations the royals and celebrities go through!

It is awful!

I had a friend that would just make things up if she got mad at me. She told someone I said something horrible to her. She would also make things up about people I cared about to punish me. We don’t talk anymore.

I don't know - it's bugged me for years - happened over 30 years ago and I still think about it from time to time. It's awful being accused of something you haven't done. I'd never be able to cope with the mass speculation and accusations the royals and celebrities go through!

Oh I had something like that happen at Uni. A bloke I barely knew at the time thought I'd spread nasty rumours about him. We became friends and he told me this and I said why on earth would I do that when I didn't even know him and he said he didn't know why he thought it. We'd had a few friends in common so I wondered if it was something they said. Very odd at the time, especially since he was a bit of a ladies man and there were a lot more people with grievances against him.

No member of the RF can just 'pop' to a hotel. William likely wanted to stay somewhere 'safe' from paps and plants and do the stag night. Imagine if they got caught doing something silly, it could have overshadowed the wedding and then the big ginger whinge would have blamed William for that. Also, Harry has basically accused William of not caring for his DC, especially the 'spares' yet he uses the fact that William did not want to leave Louis as a stick to beat him with? He really is as thick as paint. Also saying that Paul Burrell wrote 'a tell all that told nothing and sold out Mummy's memory for money'! <How is what you're doing any different Harry?>

W&K’s new Windsor residence isn’t big enough for a nanny/housekeeper to live in. It’s 4 beds, so just the family overnight.

www.getreading.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/kate-middleton-shares-first-look-25547810

I’m sure they are never left scratching around for a baby sitter but they clearly are interested in at least pretending to be ‘normal’, while it’s still somewhat possible.

@DaughterOfPsychiatrist The staff quarters are about 2 minutes walk away. I assume the children no longer need an overnight nanny and are sleeping through anyway.

@PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog Most of the young royals have partied and some have partied very hard. Deals with the press mean they leave them alone.

You mean like Harry?

I guess alot of people just put themselves first though*

That would be selfish people like you who think staying overnight with a sibling getting married trumps being at home with a wife and new born child.

@Blossomtoes Including Harry. And his brother and cousins. Why would they not when they were young?

Nonetheless, it’s I think it’s lovely that W&K have decided on a Windsor 4 bed!
Unprecedented for senior royals, I’d imagine.

@DaughterOfPsychiatrist
They have 4 houses you know?

Yes.

Which is why it’s nice that they have actively chosen to have one house that is ordinary family sized (compared to eg Royal Lodge, or either of the Frogmores).

Because Harry says that, far from covering his misdeeds up, he was thrown to the wolves to embellish Camilla’s reputation. It can’t be both.

Those staff quarters are also on the same grounds. But the narrative is a 'quaint little cottage for K&W'.

Fun fact :
When H moved out of his father's house he was moved to a basement flat in the maids quarters (was this when Camilla converted his room into a dressing room?). Typically, there was not much light coming in - they are usually damp too - lower retails space for London. Other workers were living in the flats above him and assigned Diana's parking space. Harry is not complaining here, just stating facts. I am 😲because the narrative is always 'keep quiet, you are such a privileged prince'.

No member of the RF can just 'pop' to a hotel. William likely wanted to stay somewhere 'safe' from paps and plants and do the stag night.

Well why didn't he say so.
It's not like Willy or the palace cannot book out a section of a hotel for the 'ever so supportive' Middletons and nannies.

William could have told him yes, but I can only stay a little bit.

Imagine if they got caught doing something silly, it could have overshadowed the wedding

The Stag night went ahead. Nothing happened.

Harry has basically accused William of not caring for his DC, especially the 'spares'

No he has not.

I do though. Harry is a spare. That is his lived reality. For his son' sake, William should listen.

Paul Barrel told us nothing.

He got a free flat. I should bloody hope he isn't complaining.

It's not like Willy or the palace cannot book out a section of a hotel for the 'ever so supportive' Middletons and nannies.

But why on earth would he do so when he has a perfectly good house and his wife is only jut over three weeks post partum and would no doubt prefer to stay in the comfort of her own home with the baby?

Sometimes he says I’m traumatized so I don’t remember. None of this is true. But wow, it’s disturbing.

Ironically similar to this thread with posters saying how this could never have happened to saying H tripped and fell, being drunk.

Harry is clear about what happened or what he cannot remember. From his recount of the xbox story to him saying he cannot remember if the journalist was male or female - he clarifies those are blended into random reporters, but this took place.
He would say if he does not recall if W pushed him or he fell because he was drunk. For each incident in the book he says which parts he is not sure of (usually they are insignificant). This particular memory is entrenched in his mind.

Harry not complaining?!!!

I’ve read that part of the book. You clearly haven’t.