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Strangest bits in Spare…

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Motorcycleemptyness · 15/01/2023 22:59

i haven’t quite finished it yet but I wanted to read a thread about some of the weirder bits of Spare, and I haven’t seen a thread where people were discussing those without the ‘H&M’ vs the rest of the RF debate. There are definitely some parts which have made me really question why they were included, and I was wondering if anyone else had any similar thoughts.

The inclusion of the imagery of the poppy fields, and how heroin funds the Taliban. Fair enough. We all know that. The rest of the book is one long ode to posh people taking drugs. Does Prince Harry think the cocaine he takes is gently knitted by fairies and delivered to him by unicorns? Do the drugs he takes not contribute to war and terrorism and misery across the rest of the world (and indeed misery and crime in the UK, where he is 5th in line to be monarch!) I found this quite a strange passage and I was wondering if anyone else had any thoughts, or am I just over thinking it?

Elizabeth Arden cream. ‘Mummy’s lips’. ‘Todger’. Why? But really, why? Why was this included? Why did anyone think it or commit it to paper, and then publish it? Why did I read it? Why am I typing it here? ARGH.

What he actually thinks the relationship between the royal family and the press should actually be. Only reporting true things? Someone had a photo of him taking cocaine. Dressed as a nazi. Calling his colleague a ‘P*ki’. He wasn’t happy, but it was all true. Should journalists not be allowed to report true things? Or should they only be reporting things he wants them to report? Does Andrew get to choose that too? What about everyone else?

What the actual royal family should look like. This was mind bending. He seems to be perfectly happy with the idea of the monarchy, an institution which is predicated on the idea that they’re inherently superior to the rest of us, and that’s their birth right, but seems to massively struggle to apply that to himself and William. If a monarchy is the best system, why shouldn’t the heir be treated differently to the spare? (I don’t believe it is the best system and wish we could abolish them all but I don’t understand how one can believe one but not the other!).

Anyone else have any interesting thoughts?

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BellePeppa · 22/01/2023 10:54

mixedrecycling · 22/01/2023 10:17

Siblings often ignore each other at any school! My older brother did his best to ignore me 😂I made my own friends, it didn't scar me for life.

Me too. My sister, a year older than me, made it clear in any situations that I was not to approach her and her friends. She was very protective of me though at the same time just as William was to his younger brother. It’s not something that has caused bitterness or self pity from me though, it’s all pretty normal. I feel the Markles are now like Peter and the Wolf. They’ve cried Wolf so many times people have stopped caring or believing anything they say.

Cath667 · 22/01/2023 10:55

Peverellshire · 22/01/2023 10:51

@Cath667 my mistake, I didn’t think they existed re: pre carved monarch wooden rulers so he’d have to ‘bespoke’ one (?) H says ‘rulers, get it?’ - as if an unusual, one off, non standard issue thing.

My wider point is I think this man was trying to be kind & helpful & it was a kind gesture in his own way.

You're right, im being picky! I just thought people were imagining a Gepetto like figure sitting up all night carving a ruler out of love for Prince Harry. Maybe he did!

BellePeppa · 22/01/2023 10:56

BellePeppa · 21/01/2023 23:42

Well exactly. It’s just another example of contractions, stories not being consistent etc which means you end up not really having a clue what is real and what is fake, but maybe it’s their intention to confuse people.

That should say contradictions 🤨

Peverellshire · 22/01/2023 11:01

@Cath667 lol :) As Eton in some ways akin to Hogwarts, who knows! :)

As a History nerd I’d have died and gone to heaven with a teacher like that & I’d def do his reading! Lucky boys, what a waste.

MonsoonMadness · 22/01/2023 11:09

mixedrecycling · 22/01/2023 10:17

Siblings often ignore each other at any school! My older brother did his best to ignore me 😂I made my own friends, it didn't scar me for life.

It’s normal for siblings to ignore each other at boarding school. Sad, but goes with the territory. Especially if the older sibling is a prefect.

JADS · 22/01/2023 11:14

It's normal for children to ignore their kid brother/sister at any school.

Also I had the same ruler as Harry in 80s, it came from the Windsor Castle gift shop.

ancientgran · 22/01/2023 11:58

Patineur · 22/01/2023 10:42

They could presumably have checked on what is standard flight training procedure and what isn't? Not least because it would be highly libellous to suggest that the trainer didn't follow it. They're lucky that this man seems fairly relaxed about it.

I suspect however that with other things that aren't susceptible to checking, Harry didn't fact-check that carefully, and in practice he couldn't. As people have pointed out, he could hardly go and ask William what he remembers about arguments between them and wouldn't accept it anyway. When it comes from his own embellished memory, he won't know it's wrong, and anyway he clearly isn't the type to be conscientious about something like that anyway. His view was that he could brush aside any inconsistencies with the "my truth" excuse.

Or he wasn't listening to the briefing so was genuinely shocked. I can imagine that happening.

Farmageddon · 22/01/2023 11:58

Patineur · 22/01/2023 10:42

They could presumably have checked on what is standard flight training procedure and what isn't? Not least because it would be highly libellous to suggest that the trainer didn't follow it. They're lucky that this man seems fairly relaxed about it.

I suspect however that with other things that aren't susceptible to checking, Harry didn't fact-check that carefully, and in practice he couldn't. As people have pointed out, he could hardly go and ask William what he remembers about arguments between them and wouldn't accept it anyway. When it comes from his own embellished memory, he won't know it's wrong, and anyway he clearly isn't the type to be conscientious about something like that anyway. His view was that he could brush aside any inconsistencies with the "my truth" excuse.

Indeed. But also like you said the trainer seems relaxed about it all. If it did actually happen like Harry said (questionable) and he was any other ordinary army bumpkin - he would no doubt have been reprimanded no?

As it stands, it was probably brushed off as 'oh that's just Harry, bless him'. He doesn't seem to realise his own privilege - so many things excused, glossed over, forgiven....

AutumnCrow · 22/01/2023 12:02

ComeTheSpringLobelia · 22/01/2023 10:49

I know it got on my BIL's tits.

In an argument DH and his borther had after their father died in 2016 (when BIl was aged over 60) it came up in the fucking argument as part of his bleat about DH being the golden child.

DH has a different recollection of his childhood. namely that BIL as the younger brother was the favourite.

They have never spoken since.

Wow, now that really is stored up resentment. And the names with the 'majors' and the 'minors' get printed in all the year books / speech day stuff as well for posterity, so not really an adored tradition for the fragile of ego.

I wonder what happens if there are three brothers. Would there a Minor I and a Minor II? (Or a Mini Minor?)

mixedrecycling · 22/01/2023 12:43

Tertius I believe for a third...

Maireas · 22/01/2023 12:50

Quartus for a 4th!

AutumnCrow · 22/01/2023 13:17

It's all gone a bit Jacob Rees-Mogg!

mixedrecycling · 22/01/2023 13:56

Quintus for a fifth - doesn't it reset when the oldest leaves, though? They all go up one? This is based on reading a Billy Bunter book 40 years ago, mind 😂

comrad · 22/01/2023 14:32

😂

Strangest bits in Spare…
AutumnCrow · 22/01/2023 14:36

mixedrecycling · 22/01/2023 13:56

Quintus for a fifth - doesn't it reset when the oldest leaves, though? They all go up one? This is based on reading a Billy Bunter book 40 years ago, mind 😂

I'm probably thinking of St Custard's

SpaceshiptoMars · 22/01/2023 15:01

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mixedrecycling · 22/01/2023 15:04

Like a child of rape

A little bit over the top, I think...

TangledWebOfDeception · 22/01/2023 15:05

An awful comparison. And not remotely legitimate.

Theunamedcat · 22/01/2023 15:06

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She knew, she knew before the wedding he didn't love her like he should watch the engagement interview he made it clear she knew but she had her eye on the prize the fairytale Queen of England that will show her family she is something won't it? She probably believed it would work out she was young and not the brightest her family was not the greatest either so her brothers hypocrisy at her funeral was seen and very much remembered

To compare it to rape is nasty

LavenderHillMob · 22/01/2023 15:08

It is possible to have a much wanted second/third/fourth child and still feel done.

I'm pretty convinced that Harry's parents both wanted him and loved him. There is no rape scenario here.

Theunamedcat · 22/01/2023 15:12

Peverellshire · 22/01/2023 10:51

@Cath667 my mistake, I didn’t think they existed re: pre carved monarch wooden rulers so he’d have to ‘bespoke’ one (?) H says ‘rulers, get it?’ - as if an unusual, one off, non standard issue thing.

My wider point is I think this man was trying to be kind & helpful & it was a kind gesture in his own way.

www.english-heritageshop.org.uk/british-history-ruler?gclid=CjwKCAiA2rOeBhAsEiwA2Pl7Q4LA7j2Nd9AnsoeCeb70PKHZdJDSoyHR8AfPd3DMFtevJUR-3f6AxBoCA9sQAvD_BwE

It's one of these

Peverellshire · 22/01/2023 15:34

@JADS Ohh…can I get a ‘ruler’ ruler from gift shop, still? Will have a look online.

@Patineur I suspect you’re right. This RAF/Army trainer sounds like he has/had Harry’s back. It’s a shame re: History teacher etc, he’s not seemingly noting that people have his back or are kindly. Not everyone is an enemy you have to bristle at.

@MonsoonMadness yes, hierarchy. I know of a ‘Chid’ too, @AutumnCrow (Richard) except that’s not his real name, he’s brother number four! All ‘Chid’ at public school!

Harry

Why is/was he so seemingly insecure? He is good looking, tall, charismatic, humorous, gung ho, practical & sporty. Why wouldn’t Meghan want him for HIM? Why did he feel all mates & sundry would be impressed he’d ‘pulled’ this ‘stunna’ as he’s a ‘ginger’ who learns at a ‘glacial pace’? Women are not trophies, why was he seemingly looking for one? One to show Willy that ‘wives’ are not all dullsville, WI types, ‘Jam & Jersualem’ & ‘middle aged before time’ as poss H saw it? It feels shallow, immature & a recipe for disaster.

His father loved Camilla arguably for many reasons but not only for looks & sex appeal. They’re clearly good for each other & have the same belief & value systems: love of art, the outdoors etc.

Upbringjng/Diana & school

A boy like Harry, not academic, would prob land at Radley or similar if born into a more typical upper middle class family. ‘If you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree’ etc. It might be a cautionary tale re: the ‘over coaching’ that goes on in some families with parents seeing the holy grail as Westminster, Wycombe Abbey, Eton, etc. Why is being academically clever so important? Esp when many of the successful entrepreneurs out there are creative, social souls. A cliche, but if you’re happy, you THRIVE. Ideally parents find the ‘best fit’ re: schools, as far as possible & good Preps are experienced & will advise.

H is a casualty of being the ‘wrong fit’. He wasn’t ‘Eton shaped’. Arguably, he showed real guts asking the history teacher to consider his feelings & also to tell other teachers the learning pace was too fast ‘how did they all GET IT? The other boys?’.

I am not surprised he rebelled & switched off. You see this all the time & can lead to mutinous rebellion, to a big F you (!) to the family & parents. Drugs, alcohol surprisingly common in this perfect storm, outcasts seek outcasts, the troubled magnetising the troubled & other victims of benign neglect. He needed intervention & ideally genuine familial love, before things escalated & a good psychiatrist who could calmly assess & medicate as/if appropriate.

If he wasn’t sporty he’d likely have fared FAR worse mentally, it greatly helps with popularity. As per, on the flipside in Manchester, Morrissey, might have been destroyed were he not always in demand for sport & teams. Popular people, leaders, are often sporty, it builds charisma, confidence & team sports teach you a lot about life ‘ success. ‘Life is just a ballgame’. As Womack & Womack once sung.

Harry is/was highly sensitive, walking behind his mother’s coffin a bad idea for the emotionally robust & well adjusted.

More generally, I do so wonder about undiagnosed neurodiversity as I write.

Diana’s influence

Diana was doing GREAT things with the boys. She wanted to introduce them to ‘normal people’ & show them empathy in practice, the sick, the ill & the dying.

Harry is very like his mother in many respects, she’d have understood his academic challenges & recognised his qualities.

Maybe W really had the benefit here? He was older. He also had the stability of the Middletons? It’s a shame H couldn’t sometimes too, maybe getting to know brother James, sensitive, who also isn’t in the mould of a ex Etonian Boris Johnson type?

Snobbery & the shallow cruelty & superficial

Where does this come from? Why the sneering at the unfortunate, utilitarian, provincial bungalow of the history teacher who hadn’t ‘got’ a wife or family? Only x2 framed dogs on desk, the tone cries out ‘what a loser’. He was ‘eccentric’, odd’ & low status, how dare HE pick up on Wales not paying attention in History, of all people? The ‘greasy’ & unattractive Pat, who had the temerity to not be ‘hot’ too? Etc

Graceland is horrible as not fit for a Prince. Loud furniture he’s surprised to see! A badger’s warren of common vulgarity & poor taste! Never mind all in vogue in 70s!

Suddenly his beanbag & soft furnishings are substandard & he notices W ‘lives better’. Why shouldn’t he too? He’s just the ‘spare’.

It seems to smack of entitlement & the superficial, the Montecito mansion might not be enough, he might hanker after bigger better, the billionaire’s toys? Why not? The yacht the jet, is he a posher Jay Gatsby & Meghan a 21st century, Daisy? I hope not.

Apparently he dumped Cressida, why I wonder? I think his early instincts for humanitarian work in Africa very sound. He loved being a Jackaroo too! Good honest labour! Made him feel great.

It’s as if H has frozen at a lost 12 year stage. So very sad especially as he has good qualities & looks to be a great father.

Is Meghan honest & true? If so things may work out. She’s intelligent, did she figure out all that glitters is not gold? Learn lessons ? Family and H first? High status men a previous practical choice, required for her move away from ‘ influencerdom’

Does she genuinely adore him too, warts & all? If not the mask will eventually slip. What happens next will be interesting..

Can they stay put and focus on philanthropic work causes & projects they believe in? Not court the A list? Let’s judge them by their genuine actions over time.

BellePeppa · 22/01/2023 15:37

comrad · 22/01/2023 14:32

😂

Where’s that from? Not Spare surely?

comrad · 22/01/2023 15:44

Haha no, private eye, but pretty much captures his tone

BellePeppa · 22/01/2023 15:48

comrad · 22/01/2023 15:44

Haha no, private eye, but pretty much captures his tone

Oh ha, I thought for a minute he’d put that in the book 😯 Although apparently he did say that Diana’s ghost told him he should be king and not William so nothing surprises me 😁

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