Strangest bits in Spare…

[Motorcycleemptyness]

i haven’t quite finished it yet but I wanted to read a thread about some of the weirder bits of Spare, and I haven’t seen a thread where people were discussing those without the ‘H&M’ vs the rest of the RF debate. There are definitely some parts which have made me really question why they were included, and I was wondering if anyone else had any similar thoughts.

The inclusion of the imagery of the poppy fields, and how heroin funds the Taliban. Fair enough. We all know that. The rest of the book is one long ode to posh people taking drugs. Does Prince Harry think the cocaine he takes is gently knitted by fairies and delivered to him by unicorns? Do the drugs he takes not contribute to war and terrorism and misery across the rest of the world (and indeed misery and crime in the UK, where he is 5th in line to be monarch!) I found this quite a strange passage and I was wondering if anyone else had any thoughts, or am I just over thinking it?

Elizabeth Arden cream. ‘Mummy’s lips’. ‘Todger’. Why? But really, why? Why was this included? Why did anyone think it or commit it to paper, and then publish it? Why did I read it? Why am I typing it here? ARGH.

What he actually thinks the relationship between the royal family and the press should actually be. Only reporting true things? Someone had a photo of him taking cocaine. Dressed as a nazi. Calling his colleague a ‘P*ki’. He wasn’t happy, but it was all true. Should journalists not be allowed to report true things? Or should they only be reporting things he wants them to report? Does Andrew get to choose that too? What about everyone else?

What the actual royal family should look like. This was mind bending. He seems to be perfectly happy with the idea of the monarchy, an institution which is predicated on the idea that they’re inherently superior to the rest of us, and that’s their birth right, but seems to massively struggle to apply that to himself and William. If a monarchy is the best system, why shouldn’t the heir be treated differently to the spare? (I don’t believe it is the best system and wish we could abolish them all but I don’t understand how one can believe one but not the other!).

Anyone else have any interesting thoughts?

Well exactly. It’s just another example of contractions, stories not being consistent etc which means you end up not really having a clue what is real and what is fake, but maybe it’s their intention to confuse people.

I think this flight instructor first spoke to the Mirror but it's now in the Mail Online.

Don't look if you don't want to; because I don't know what's true and what isn't.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11661921/Prince-Harrys-army-instructor-says-Dukes-recollection-training-Spare-complete-fantasy.html

@Peverellshire
Harry isn’t academically interested

That's exactly what I meant Eton can't take the blame for him not knowing history, if he wasn't interested. If he was a low profile pupil they'd probably have kicked him out, but they couldn't exactly expect their second most highest profile pupil.

I read somewhere that they hadn't planned to send Harry to Eton but decided that after Diana's death he'd be better with William. Eton is also very close to Windsor. Which I suppose makes it easier for family to visit, and him to get home for weekends etc.

It is possible that he has ADHD or something going on. But if he knew about it, been diagnosed, he'd have divulged that along with his penis stories. Does the Army accept people with ADHD ?

Indeed, all of this.

He really comes across as low-intelligence and dim.

Thank you, thank you, thank you! I kept on looking at the cover and couldn't put my finger on what is wrong with the photo. That's it exactly.

@comrad

Also, I think I read a bit about how the corgis were always raucous around him, but with Meghan they were calm / lying at her feet right away (vaguely remember it, pretty sure it was in spare). It’s a bit like reading a holy text, when it doesn’t explicitly state someone’s the chosen one. Instead thr test is peppered with examples of others noticing their superior purity. In spares case it’s the seals and corgis and all of his family who are so impressed with her whilst also looking down at her cos she’s American/divorcee/biracial- but even then that was cos they were brainwashed by the British media’s narrative. Double think required to read the book!

It's all a bit like Kim Il-sung, isn't it, and how a double rainbow appeared when he was born and how he could control the weather with his moods. And had such a perfectly evolved body that he didn't produce any waste.

My guess is that many of the things that seem off have mundane explanations, just like most of the stuff Harry seems to have taken exception too.

Meghan is absolutely entitled to privacy around childbirth but I agree that the versions given are a) not necessarily credible and b) not their usual style, hence the questions. I'd personally wondered if she'd had IVF and didn't want this known which is fair enough. I suspect it's more likely as a PP suggested, that it just wasn't the natural hippy home birth with whale music she had hoped for and it didn't fit the narrative she had planned to tell.

My other theory is that she wanted Harry to write his own version, but as he couldn't remember it - it wasn't about him after all - he had to find a fictional version to use instead.

Re boarding schools, my own teens would occasionally come back from school with outlandish ideas & theories. We would explore / challenge / laugh / ignore and (occasionally) agree as appropriate. I can't help thinking that Harry would not have had that counterbalance. Hideous as his description of Pat is, the impression he gives is them vs us. Us being silly teenage boys. If Harry is Neurodiverse, as seems at least possible, this would be an especially poor environment for him.

It's possible that the 'spare organ' bit is correct as it is beginning to look like they (that's the RF in cahoots) may have already removed the logic part of his brain as a pilot medical experiment. 🤔

But surely Harry himself is the fact checker about this particular incident. We are not disputing dates, but his actions which he claims to remember.

Unless he didn't actually read his book before he allowed it to be published? Actually, he narrates the audiobook, so he knows exactly what's in it.

It's not the ghostwriters fault, he is only going on what he is being told, no? How would the ghostwriter come up with something like that?

Or do you mean the ghostwriter embellished it without Harry's knowledge?

I wonder how many times Harry's 'misconceptions' about the past are going to be excused...

It’s quite odd.. he makes a thing of mentioning CB didn’t have ‘throne syndrome’ or words to that effect. She wasn’t interested in his Royal status which he states himself most women around him were. He finds that attractive. Eugenie was friends with CB and I wonder if she intimated to Meghan who she met before Harry that Harry was sensitive to this. In any case, it definitely was all a disingenuous act. She was looking for a rich British man at the time, he fitted the bill perfectly. He was dim and inexperienced enough to believe the twaddle she came out with. He’s fallen for everything she’s told him hook line and sinker.

On another tack , someone mentioned Doria and possible shady goings on. I find it hard to believe that these things would not be provable through public records. I don’t understand why M was living with her father through her teenage years and where her mother was though.

Also in the book Harry makes it clear that he ended the relationship with Cressida, not the other way around. It also seems to have been a mutual decision to split with Chelsey.

We’ve established that Harry’s relationship with the truth is distant to say the least. The reports at the time were pretty clear that they’d had enough. Who knows why?

I think quite a lot of the inconsistencies are because Harry couldn’t ask anyone to check. If you are writing an autobiography and you haven’t fallen out with all your family and friends and you are not doing it in secret then you could just ask people. Hey William do you remember if I got an x box or a PlayStation from auntie? Hey dad where was I when I was told great granny died? Hey flight instructor, could you just send me a brief description of my pilot training for my book? I want to get it right.
Imo Harry presumably couldn’t ask anyone or check the details hence got stuff wrong.

@LavenderHillMob I think you’ve hit nail on head & I wouldn’t rule out a surrogate for one of the children, not because I believe in evil conspiracies but because it’s entirely acceptable in her previous world & egg freezing around 35 etc. It happens. If she wanted a third via this pathway, how would it land?

I too wanted to light & candle & have a water birth but changed mind in cold reality of agony & being in labour for hours.

Yes to boarders too. Also siblings DO ignore each other at boarding school. Hierarchy is still a ‘thing’ & respected & the ‘squit’, ‘shell’ younger etc is always teasing fodder. Love underpins usually though & it’s not malicious. Not everyone is out to get H, that he misses the obvious ‘Goodbye Mr Chips’ kindness of the lonely sounding history master is tragic. He names him, probably unwisely, & assumes we’ll all be nodding along at the oddball, passionate, historian in his run down caretaker’s type bungalow by the sports field, who loves his dogs as children…

I read it & imagine him carving the wooden ruler after hours with ALL the kings & dates - after hours! How unbelievably kind.

Harry reminds me of young, insecure public schoolboys who want a beautiful woman to make the other chaps sit up. He’a frozen in time at the time of that car crash, a lost & rather lovely boy really, with good qualities that needed developing. He’s getting dragged into a shallow world that won’t suit. Graceland, he now tells us, had hideous, low class furniture, imagine?

Where was Charles Spencer as promised? He DOES have a sense of history. We all get dealt a hand of cards in life, why can’t H see his are better than 99% of us. He needed love & hasn’t had it or recognised it.

Siblings often ignore each other at any school! My older brother did his best to ignore me 😂I made my own friends, it didn't scar me for life.

CrabDuckDuckCrab

😂 Yes! You’re spot on 😂

I imagine Harry didn't like the public school tradition of older brothers being called 'Major' and the younger brother 'Minor', i.e. they would have been Wales Major and Wales Minor. I bet that got right on his tits.

They could presumably have checked on what is standard flight training procedure and what isn't? Not least because it would be highly libellous to suggest that the trainer didn't follow it. They're lucky that this man seems fairly relaxed about it.

I suspect however that with other things that aren't susceptible to checking, Harry didn't fact-check that carefully, and in practice he couldn't. As people have pointed out, he could hardly go and ask William what he remembers about arguments between them and wouldn't accept it anyway. When it comes from his own embellished memory, he won't know it's wrong, and anyway he clearly isn't the type to be conscientious about something like that anyway. His view was that he could brush aside any inconsistencies with the "my truth" excuse.

Why are people saying the master carved the wooden ruler? I've just looked back at the passage and it says 'He presented me with one of those wooden rulers, engraved along both sides with the names of every British monarch since Harold in 1066'. You can buy them in the gift shop at places like Windsor Castle and the Tower of London!

Of course he wasn't sitting up all night carving it!

Funny how he quickly got in his excuse 😬😂

I know it got on my BIL's tits.

In an argument DH and his borther had after their father died in 2016 (when BIl was aged over 60) it came up in the fucking argument as part of his bleat about DH being the golden child.

DH has a different recollection of his childhood. namely that BIL as the younger brother was the favourite.

They have never spoken since.

@Cath667 my mistake, I didn’t think they existed re: pre carved monarch wooden rulers so he’d have to ‘bespoke’ one (?) H says ‘rulers, get it?’ - as if an unusual, one off, non standard issue thing.

My wider point is I think this man was trying to be kind & helpful & it was a kind gesture in his own way.

• they were both aged over 60. Obviously,