Where is Meghan?

[StarInTheHeavens]

I haven't seen hide-nor-hair of Meghan since the book release which is uncharacteristic of her. Even with the Montecito floods there was no news. So I'm wondering how this is playing out? Happiness or anger behind closed doors?

"I don't hate Meghan in the slightest. I feel sorry for a woman whose life as an actress (all she managed in her 'career' was 'hot girl' roles) was coming to an end, and she wanted to marry a rich man... all she got was Harry!"

I have never known anyone who genuinely feels "sorry for a person" go on to discredit everything and anything the person has achieved - being sorry means you would usually empathise so your posts are a bit over the top so that's why I put it as hate. I don't actually believe your feel sorry for her - it's just your way of then going on to pull her down. A few people who don't like Meghan do come with critical debate, most of the posts are not, including yours.

@skullbabe Haha. Nice try at virtue signalling with reference to 'slut shaming'. I've done nothing of the sort. She herself refers to this in an interview in 2015 in Elle magazine. Nothing wrong with being a hot girl.

You are the one mentioning 'gold digger' and clout chaser (no idea what that is)

You're right. I dislike )dislike is not hating) her for all the reasons listed. I'm not alone, and the reasons I listed are valid and backed up by evidence unlike her and Harry's claims. We are allowed to dislike people we don't like and to stand up to people, you know? Particularly in view of people like yourself who are in an ever diminishing group of people who do support them.

Look, when a vociferous and passionate BLM activist (ms Ayton) who supported them absolutely, now calls them both liars, perhaps it's about time you examined your own moral compass instead of trying to denigrate my views?

There is such a thing as defending the indefensible

Particularly in view of people like yourself who are in an ever diminishing group of people who do support them

I'd say quite the opposite. When I was on these threads back when they first got married and after that, it was 99% 'detractors'. The anti H&Ms numbered threads and each one got filled in less than a day and the number reached epic proportions. The few of us who didn't agree were lone disagreers, and I could name them as there were so few.

Now, it is a completely different picture. On some threads I would say it's 50/50. It really is quite refreshing. Obviously it depends on what's going on at the time, and the thread title but there is far more in the same boat as me, who hate the bullying of Meghan.

So, no, not 'ever diminishing'. Ever decreasing.

She had no idea being part of one of the wealthiest families in the world meant very little actual cash and Harry the spare had nothing more than 2 (large) inheritances from his mother and great grandmother.

I've seen reports supposedly from ex employees and "friends" that have suggested she was disappointed about his actual worth - and had expected him to be billionaire. Though he does have money - and oddly doesn't seem to want to spend it but pass it on entirely to the kids - though I've had people insist we should have saved child benefit when it's sometimes been the money putting food in front of my children.

If true I do wonder why she didn't research a bit more - and I do think she was looking for a DH and father to her future children at the time and frankly I don't see an issue with that - she'd reached that age in her life and career and knew what she wanted next. Having said that I've seen enough USA citizen on YouTube to know they are be remarkably unaware about their lack of knowledge about different cultures and countries.

Same sources say they are turning on each other post south park - but I'm more dubious next door had period of external stresses where they were frequent rows and IL who stopped over were convinced they were heading for divorce - no still together and still apparently happy.

They have recently massively fuck up their own brand and PR - I find it frankly ludicrous posters who claim it's all place PR against them - most are reacting to their own public announcements and behaviour. Honestly though if they have any sense they'll probably follow the palace PR strategy go quiet do so solid work then come back later with positive pr

I find it frankly ludicrous posters who claim it's all palace PR against them .

Honestly my typing this morning is all over the place.

@Roussette Diminishing is an equally valid option for that sentence. I don't need to be confined to cliches, but thanks anyway.

You may believe you are one of a large number of supporters, but in the general population and in the population of the USA, H&Ms standing is in the gutter. They've not been shoved there by worldwide media, but they've stepped of their own accord.

I have no recollection of bad press at the beginning of H&Ms relationship, and if that's your memory, I can't dispute that. I do know the vast majority of media interest was positive and only began to deteriorate following bullying allegations. Later confirmed in Harry's book. What happened on Mumsnet is in no way representative of the wider public, and I have no way of confirming or disputing your claims. I go on what's happening in the real world.

The fact you have no recollection of bad press at the beginning says it all really.

@GloomyDarkness Yes, it's absurd when you look at the huge number of engagements the pair have done over the past couple of years since leaving the palace confines, to blame the palace machine.

For a couple who employ a hugely expensive PR team who are supposed to manipulate the media with ease, they've made a shit job of it.

The fact you have no recollection of bad press at the beginning says it all really.

There was a lot of public good will - that rapidly drained away post Oprah interview.

The press was a much more mixed bag as it always is to some extent especially with those marrying into royal family and particularly women and with RF in general - they love/hate them and use them to sell papers.

For a couple who employ a hugely expensive PR team who are supposed to manipulate the media with ease, they've made a shit job of it.

I honestly don't know what gone wrong with their PR - are they not that good, focused on making money not longer game or are they just not being listened to.

They've made money with Spare but it has come at a huge price even in USA which I think was their target market.

I don’t think people can successfully claim that detractors of the Sussexes are exclusively influenced by the nasty media. With the interviews and the tell-all book, there is enough material from the horse’s mouth unfortunately.

It is rarely a good idea for very wealthy and healthy people to go and complain about their lives directly. It’s not to say they don’t have issues with mental health or that if you’re rich you’re immune to problems, but moaning and whinging about the hardship you endure just won’t help your public perception when your lives are in many many many ways, easier than 99% of the population. I don’t know how they haven’t got that yet.

It’s good that Meghan has stayed out of the limelight. I wish they would stay home - or go on a whopping private holiday, get therapy, enjoy their children and their bank balances and count their blessings. They have so many.

Why did you bring it up then? What does the blow job scene have to do with anything? Seriously. Why would she need to discuss this bit part in her book? Since when is mentioning slut shaming virtue signalling? What virtue?

(I paraphrased "gold digger" because you mentioned in your paragraph the fact that she was after Harry for money and "clout chaser" because you mentioned that she was after fame.)

What does BLM and Ms Ayton have to do with her blow job scene or Meghan's recounting this scene in her supposed book? What about the blow job scene has to do with lying? The topic we are actually discussing

Indeed - wonder why this statement was released if there was no negative press interest

www.royal.uk/statement-communications-secretary-prince-harry

Nah... we have to gloss over that 'cos it doesn't fit the Agenda of...
I liked her in the beginning
We all loved her when she first got together with Harry, we were so excited
There was no criticism until the OW interview
I never saw criticism, everything was positive

So far from the truth it's untrue. And I'm not talking just MN.

Post of the week for me !

From that website, Andrew is clinging on at the bottom of the list of Royals beneath H&M.

www.royal.uk/the-duke-york

Nah... we have to gloss over that 'cos it doesn't fit the Agenda of...
I liked her in the beginning
We all loved her when she first got together with Harry, we were so excited
There was no criticism until the OW interview
I never saw criticism, everything was positive

That was my experience of being in UK at the time though I agree the tabloids were more mixed as was MN I think which TBH is often the case especially with RF.

As Lizziet64 points outs H and M aren't really reliable narrators of anything - doesn't mean they are wrong about everything just it would be wise to seek independent verification than take what they say as gospel.

I find it frankly ludicrous posters who claim it's all palace PR against them .

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Agree, I suppose it’s a way of deflecting their appalling behaviour.

As for popularity, apparently in USA they are bottom of the list below PA which is embarrassing. I haven’t met anyone in real life (friends, family & work colleagues) who support them 🤷🏻‍♀️

oh yes because he is such a catch. Lets ask Cheryl, you know the wife he cheated on.

I always think this is such an odd situation and can't for the life of me see what on earth Meghan found to be interested in about Ashley Cole. If he's not a catch, why was she interested?

tattychicken · Today 11:51
But you don't need to read or listen to the media to work out who they are. Listen to their interviews/podcasts and watch their Netflix show, read Spare and Finding Freedom. Right back to their Sussex insta page is all there, straight from the horses' mouths.
They can try to deflect and blame the media ( prime example Harry blaming the media for his kill count section in Spare being received badly), but they are doing a wonderful job all by themselves as coming across as a pair of utter twats.

Absolutely! They do a better job of destroying their own reputation via their own output than any "red top rag". We always suspected Harry wasn't very intelligent - but obvious he's extremely stupid. I wonder how Meghan bears with him - she seems reasonable bright, tho' makes very bad choices - and I don't mean only marrying Harry.

Money

Ashley Cole had at least one known talent
playing football.
Harry doesn't have any. I don't think he would have been interested in Meghan. His partner is much younger and naturally pretty.