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Harry just protecting the other "spares"

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Magnoliasunrise · 14/01/2023 06:52

Shocked to see in this mornings Telegraph that Harry is concerned for the other "spares" He just wants to break the bad parenting pattern and stop it happening to Charlotte or George. If I was W&K I would be absolutely LIVID by now. What does anyone else think?

www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/prince-harry-interview-bryony-gordon-spare-book/

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Inkpotlover · 14/01/2023 12:18

toomuchlaundry · 14/01/2023 12:15

@OneDayIWillBeOrganised but supposedly there are things that have been suppressed in respect of Harry

Supposedly being the operative word. I'd be inclined to believe him more if he gave specific examples.

Crabo · 14/01/2023 12:20

Come on anyone with any intelligence knows that Harry has written his book which is mainly fantasy with the express purpose of making a lot of money. He couldn’t care less about the other space and all the virtue signalling which he waffles on about is a load of rubbish. If he was really concerned about things he would’ve stayed on in the Royal family and changed it from within but he chose to opt out and start slinging mud from California, much of which is blatantly untrue. He is not concerned about anybody else but himself and the amount of money he can make. This will be so until the shock when his wife feels that he has outlived his usefulness and he is dumped in favour of another California millionaire

Shelefttheweb · 14/01/2023 12:21

In what way was he thrown under the bus? If he didn’t want certain misbehaviours to be public then he shouldn’t have done them. Where is the personal accountability? He does something bad and is criticised for it and then it is all the fault of the RF for not ‘protecting him’.

crosspusscrossstitcher · 14/01/2023 12:23

He really just needs to shut the fuck up now.

How DARE he involve Charlotte and Louis in his arguments and imply his brother and sister-in-law are bad parents?

And he has "material" for a second book? But wants to be welcomed back into the family? With THAT threat!?!

I would cut him off if he were my relative. No way would he be allowed near my family. I'd happily never see or speak to him again - because he'd print every.fucking.word.

StatisticallyChallenged · 14/01/2023 12:23

Apart from the endlessly rehashed bridesmaid dress saga, has he outright stated which stories were a) fed by the other royal households and b) were false?

Maireas · 14/01/2023 12:25

Harry was never "thrown under the bus". That metaphor is seriously over used on these threads. It looks very much like he was protected and supported for years.
Any current problems are of his own making.

Twanky · 14/01/2023 12:25

clyspa · 14/01/2023 07:27

I think it's legitimate to give perspective on being the 'spare' if intended to help positively.

I do wonder however how much his experience or even that of Margaret are impacted by factors that were specific to them that therefore wouldn't apply to the wales children?

  1. The time they lived in as a spare - different expectations, media coverage etc. I don't think anyone would bay an eye if Charlotte decided to I don't know work in fashion or be an architect
  1. The Queen and Margaret not being born heir and spare
  1. Harry losing his mum young
  1. There being only 2 of them (Queen/Margaret and William/Harry) while Charlotte has Louis

I don't think it's often noted that actually Harry hasn't been the spare for a decade ( come George's birthday) now ...

He is their uncle so of course he is concerned for their wellbeing perhaps he phrased it in a way that suggested William hadn't thought about it or didn't feel there would be any issues.

Harry does need of course to concentrate on his own kids - what are they going to do and how will it feel watching their cousins?

It's certainly none of Harry's business, he's not a good father to his own children, isolating them from their extended family, and he has no role in the upbringing of W and K's children.
That said, I did think when he stropped off across the pond that the RF need to consider the role of the other children. Margaret, Andrew now Harry had struggled to find a role as the supporting act and it needs some consideration but not by Harry of all role models.

BadgerB · 14/01/2023 12:25

Placcyboel · Today 11:15
I feel slightly concerned for Charlotte. This is the second time that Harry has talked about her negatively and it looks like Meghan does not like her either link here.
People like Meghan (beautiful; actor etc) are always more negative about females (who they can perceive likely to become some sort of "rival") than they are about males, who can be charmed and flattered.
And worse - Charlotte and Kate are higher ranking - especially Charlotte.

Maireas · 14/01/2023 12:25

StatisticallyChallenged · 14/01/2023 12:23

Apart from the endlessly rehashed bridesmaid dress saga, has he outright stated which stories were a) fed by the other royal households and b) were false?

Throughout this, none of his accusations have been supported by any evidence whatsoever.

OneDayIWillBeOrganised · 14/01/2023 12:28

I'm no expert on the RF and generally think all of them have a tough time in the spotlight but I think there are loads of people pilling on H who have not read the book or know his side of the story. I have read it and was surprised by how little control it seems (to me anyway) that they have over their own decisions, eg where H & M got married. I can't imagine a life like that.
The biggest priority seems to be protecting the image of the RF, even at the expense of their well being.
Tbh I feel sorry for all of them.

SomethingOnce · 14/01/2023 12:29

The longer this situation goes on, the less chance there is of any remotely positive outcome for Harry, and it’s not clear how he can gracefully recede. Clearly, he’s been terribly badly advised and he’s in a dreadful tangle.

Maireas · 14/01/2023 12:29

Harry and Meghan could have got married where they wished. They didn't have to get married in that chapel. I don't believe there was ever such a lack of personal choice.

OneDayIWillBeOrganised · 14/01/2023 12:30

Shelefttheweb · 14/01/2023 12:21

In what way was he thrown under the bus? If he didn’t want certain misbehaviours to be public then he shouldn’t have done them. Where is the personal accountability? He does something bad and is criticised for it and then it is all the fault of the RF for not ‘protecting him’.

Would you be happy for everything you had ever said or done to be picked apart by the media and be confident that you would never look bad? I certainly wouldn't.
Everyone makes mistakes after all but do they deserve to be vilified for them?

theworldhas · 14/01/2023 12:30

The common theme with the modern Royal Family, going back, decades is abuse. Virtually every member has either been the victim of abuse (from other members or from the media) or abusive themselves, or often both. And that’s just the abuse we actually know about. Almost seems like this having a big inherited monarchy in the 24 hour news/internet era isn’t a good idea. (and that before we get onto all the other problematic aspects of it).

If Harry made those comments I think he was wrong to do so publically. But given the history of this bizarre and over exposed family, being worried about the fate of the next generation is totally normal.

Boofay · 14/01/2023 12:30

Slightly off topic, but I'm hopeful that the generational healing millennials are doing will mean that Charlotte and Louis won't feel like spares. William and Harry were brought up in a different world than we are in now. Hopefully William and Harry will be able to repair the parenting ills that they experienced in their childhoods.

Charles is a boomer after all, and while they also went through a process of generational repair from the parenting they experienced from the generations before them, millennials really do seem to be focussed on unpicking the trauma we experienced from our childhoods.

OneDayIWillBeOrganised · 14/01/2023 12:31

Maireas · 14/01/2023 12:29

Harry and Meghan could have got married where they wished. They didn't have to get married in that chapel. I don't believe there was ever such a lack of personal choice.

Really!? Where's the evidence for that?

Maireas · 14/01/2023 12:32

@OneDayIWillBeOrganised Then why have a ghost writer write a tell all book which gets picked over by the media and puts detail into the public domain which had hitherto been private, including dealings with others who may wish for privacy?

StatisticallyChallenged · 14/01/2023 12:32

But he doesn't have as little control as he makes out. Even if you go with the "told we had to have the big wedding and it had to be at Windsor" story...he had a simple enough solution available - "No thanks, we want a quiet wedding and we're eloping to <wherever>"

He didn't like the accomodation given by his controlling family - he didn't have to live in it. (I know ultimately he's done this, but if it was a big deal he could have chosen his own abode long before)

Lesserspottedmama · 14/01/2023 12:33

Placcyboel · 14/01/2023 11:15

I feel slightly concerned for Charlotte. This is the second time that Harry has talked about her negatively and it looks like Meghan does not like her either link here.

Gosh I’ve never seen that footage before. I’m usually wary of things like that as I think too much can be read into an expression and nobody can beam all day long. But that evil expression at little 3? year old Charlotte is plain as day, horrifying!

Coucous · 14/01/2023 12:33

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SomethingOnce · 14/01/2023 12:33

millennials really do seem to be focussed on unpicking the trauma we experienced from our childhoods.

Including people who didn’t experience anything that might meaningfully be described as trauma.

Maireas · 14/01/2023 12:33

OneDayIWillBeOrganised · 14/01/2023 12:31

Really!? Where's the evidence for that?

Where's the evidence they had no choice?
I'm sure that they could have married where Beatrice did, for example.
They surely were able to assert themselves a tiny bit?

OneDayIWillBeOrganised · 14/01/2023 12:34

Maireas · 14/01/2023 12:33

Where's the evidence they had no choice?
I'm sure that they could have married where Beatrice did, for example.
They surely were able to assert themselves a tiny bit?

That's what Harry says in the book.

Maireas · 14/01/2023 12:36

There's a chapel in St James which is small and private, and countless other venues.
No-one would coerce them to use that chapel.
They wanted a big celebrity wedding, fair enough, they got one. Their choice.

BadgerB · 14/01/2023 12:36

OneDayIWillBeOrganised · Today 12:31
Maireas · Today 12:29
Harry and Meghan could have got married where they wished. They didn't have to get married in that chapel. I don't believe there was ever such a lack of personal choice.
Really!? Where's the evidence for that?

It was said at the time that Meghan wanted Westminster Abbey but the Queen vetoed it.
And didn't M later suggest they move into Windsor Castle - plenty of room, only one old woman living there. QE vetoed that too