Harry’s sunken bed comment

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When describing how KC told Harry about the death of his Mum, Harry made a point of saying ‘that sunken bed’.

Given the fact that Harry obviously likes to come across as a poor ‘woe is me’ spare part of the RF, does anyone else wonder if this comment was just another one of his sly digs, designed to imply that he didn’t even have a comfortable bed when staying with his Father, and just slept on an old worn out bed?

Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but I can’t help thinking that he tries to use every opportunity possible to make people believe that, as he’s always supposedly had to ‘play second fiddle’ to William, William not only had the bigger room, but also would’ve had a more comfortable mattress to sleep on too, and not have to make do with a sunken bed like ‘poor Harry’ supposedly did.

It’s clearly a lie. He was asleep on the balmoral muck-heap with only a friendly rat to keep him company. Oliver Twist has nothing on this guy.

I thought it sounded a bit posh, like a sunken bath, only a bed.

And he probably had only a tatty tartan blanket covered with dog hair on it?

But I thought it was a more metaphorical use of language in this case. I don't see these passages as a part of the litany of complaints that occur elsewhere

My problem with them is that I don't know if they are accurate. We see elsewhere how events surrounding the death of HMQM are either false memories or just lies. We cannot therefore rely on the accuracy of any part

Maybe he wasn’t even allowed near the rats …. Or maybe the reason why he’s so upset over the broken dog bowl ‘incident’ is because it bought back memories of him having to use the bowls to ask ‘please Sir, can I have some more’?

I took it as him having another swipe about his treatment, compared to William., hence him ‘having to sleep on a sunken mattress/bed’

He’d apparently mentioned (I’ve not read the book) that William also had a double bed, as well as the bigger room, but his was less ‘luxurious’ .

When describing how KC told Harry about the death of his Mum, Harry made a point of saying ‘that sunken bed’
Given the fact that Harry obviously likes to come across as a poor ‘woe is me’ spare part of the RF, does anyone else wonder if this comment was just another one of his sly digs, designed to imply that he didn’t even have a comfortable bed when staying with his Father, and just slept on an old worn out bed?

Are you reading the book? I am.
I didn't read it that way at all - the whole section was about how KC came to tell him the news about his mum after a lovely day of playing and everything just changed from that moment on.
Kind of setting the scene, out playing, then getting into and snuggling into a big bed, how KC always came and said good night, leaving door open a crack as knows he didn't like the dark, accentuates the small child that he was, so to speak.
Definitely seemed nothing to do with moaning about a worn out bed 😕

I’ve been watching the Diana documentary on Sky (it’s purely clips) and it is awful seeing Harry at the funeral.
I don’t know what the alternative was though. The Queen didn’t want a state funeral but the public pushed.
Would Harry been complaining now if it didn’t have a state funeral or if he’d been kept away?

Isn’t that part of the blame, the public he’s now trying to appeal to, who were crying on the streets, complaining the flag wasn’t at half mast?

He could have attended the funeral without having to walk behind the coffin.

And then he’d be complaining ‘William got to walk behind her coffin but I didn’t’.

Isn't a sunken bed one that fits flush with the floor? Quite posh back in the 80s I believe (but a bit tacky really!)

I do feel like people are looking for ANY tiny reason to criticise Harry and really that says a lot more about them than him.

No I haven’t read the book, I’ve watched the interview where Harry mentions the sunken bed.
IMO there was a reason he mentioned it, and that reason (I believe) was, despite other things he may have wrote in the book (as you say how they played etc), he still wanted his audience to imagine that Harry wasn’t treated as well as William.

As I mentioned, he’d supposedly said somewhere or other that William had the biggest room, the best view and a double bed, whilst his room was less luxurious.

From experience, people who like to portray themselves falsely as victims, will mix truths with lies. I mean, do you really believe that Harry never had equally to his Brother the best of everything?

Yes, I thought they were posh too. You read about them in books, usually describing luxurious settings.
Not in an old worn out, poor little me way 😕😂
Agree, people seem to just be trying to find fault and half the time not even reading it themselves.

Neither of the boys were "forced" to wall behind the coffin. They wanted to do it but the family weren't keen. Prince Philip stepped up and told them that if they were adamant then he would walk with them , which he did

No I haven’t read the book
Oh, well there you go then.
I’ve watched the interview where Harry mentions the sunken bed.
So that misses a lot of context then, it makes more sense in the book

He could have attended the funeral without having to walk behind the coffin.

He could. But it wasn’t an “ordinary” funeral. The whole environment was bizarre; HM Queen herself was vastly unpopular for just wanting to keep things private for the boys up in Scotland. So a ceremonial funeral had to happen and “the men” walking behind the coffin was a “thing” in that context - and Earl Spencer had insisted that he was doing that. So, yes, they could’ve said “the boys are too young”, but there’d have been comments about that that they might have found hurtful at the time/when they were older. And they might genuinely have felt that they’d been denied the opportunity to say goodbye in the formal way to their mother. I think it must have been a very difficult call for those involved.

And can you imagine the whining now? “William got to and I didn’t”/“Pa got to do it, but wouldn’t let us”/“We were the really important people but were denied our right to make that final journey with our own mother “……? Everyone knows best with hindsight.

Then why mention it? Why mention that Wills had a double?

He does seem to want to paint a picture of a dynamic whereby William is like Dudley Dursley and he is Harry Potter, the second class citizen child who sleeps in a cupboard while the Favourite Child gets all the presents.

I don’t think people need to look for reason to criticise Harry, he’s quite capable of showing himself for what he is.

I totally agree!

It’s a shame that seemingly no-one has ever said to him ‘would you have wanted to be first born? Would you have wanted to be King?’
Why complain all the time about being the spare unless you genuinely would have welcomed that role.
He could so easily have had all the privilege without the responsibility.

Years ago he very famously said that no one wants the job and heavily implied that he’s pleased it won’t be him

Do you know any aristocratic or very upper class people, OP? In general, they don’t care about possessions, furniture, clothes, etc, and would definitely find a bed which most of us would discard as perfectly acceptable for a small boy. Children of those families were/are shipped off to boarding school, which is hardly a tender and nurturing experience, and showing emotions is very much a no-no. My own father’s family was very much of this class and attitude, and they were typical. My grandmother turned up to my parents’ wedding in a dress she’d been cooking in, with food all over the front of it. They never bought anything new that I can recall. The family seat was full of old furniture - not antiques, but just old, worn out rubbish. But the saw no need to replace it for anyone’s comfort.

It’s just something worth bearing in mind that not many of us live our lives in the same way that this class of people do (or did - I haven’t had anything to do with them all for thirty years or more, so things might have changed since).

It’s the fact that he has implied that he had an old worn out bed, but William didn’t.

This is the point I’m trying to make, that it was another way for Harry to make it appear that William had the better of everything, compared to him.

The problem with funerals, especially that of a young person, is that they are inevitably arranged at short notice.
I guess the exception is the late Queen, who at the age of 96, it was kind of expected at some time, and there had been some plans made in advance.
However, even with the late Queen, the actual death was quite sudden.
With Diana, her death in a car crash was totally unexpected and her funeral had to be arranged within about 2 weeks (can't remember the exact time frame).
Consequently, decisions were made hurriedly, and perhaps with hindsight things may have been better if done differently.
I always understood that at first a Spencer funeral was anticipated (as Diana was no longer part of the RF), but that the clamouring from the public meant a change of plan to more of a State Funeral.
It was the public who demanded the late Queen, Charles and family return from Balmoral and it was kind of expected they would greet the public outside, etc
I am quite sure that if Harry had not walked behind the cortege, then he would now be complaining about that.
The main thing is that I am sure the people involved, the late Queen, P. Philip, Charles and Charles Spencer, all thought they were doing the right thing at the time.
I guess the main thing is to learn from this, and if in the future, there is ever a similar event (I hope not, of course), then neither of the children would be expected to walk. However, I dont think this is so much the age, but the 'spectacle', it had become.
I remember the Queen Mother funeral, and i believe there was a youngish (age 15) young man walking behind; a relative on her side of the family. Of course, age 15, which I think he was, is a lot older than 12, and also the Q. Mum was not his mother, or even grandmother, so not the same thing.
Similarly, Earl Severn, son of P. Edward, age, I think about 14, took part in the grandchildren's vigil at Westminster Hall. I can't remember if he walked behind the funeral procession.

You need to read the book.

I’m not a Harry fan but the comments taken out of context of the book change the meaning.

I’m listening in Audible, I still think he’s a massive twat but it is interesting to hear his perspective on things. He was a very traumatised child who has been badly parented. No wonder he’s such a fuck up.