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Coffeecreams · 2023-01-11T09:02:52+00:00

When describing how KC told Harry about the death of his Mum, Harry made a point of saying ‘that sunken bed’. Given the fact that Harry obviously likes to come across as a poor ‘woe is me’ spare part of the RF, does anyone else wonder if this comment was just another one of his sly digs, designed to imply that he didn’t even have a comfortable bed when staying with his Father, and just slept on an old worn out bed? Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but I can’t help thinking that he tries to use every opportunity possible to make people believe that, as he’s always supposedly had to ‘play second fiddle’ to William, William not only had the bigger room, but also would’ve had a more comfortable mattress to sleep on too, and not have to make do with a sunken bed like ‘poor Harry’ supposedly did.

BellePeppa · 11/01/2023 16:11

JemimaTiggywinkles · 11/01/2023 14:39

I think Tony Blair and Alistair Campbell know a lot more about it but they seem (for some reason) to remain silent on the issue.

I think there are two explanations for their silence. Either it was their idea and they know it was a terrible one so were keeping quiet, or the family decided it and the Queen told Blair during the private audience (the contents of which no PM has ever publicly discussed iirc).

I think the most likely thing is that when the boys heard that their uncle (Earl Spenser) was going to walk behind the coffin they wanted to do it too. Whether the family should have said no is a different matter. At 15, William was old enough to make the decision that he wanted to grieve his mother beside her brother, his uncle - I think PP had done the same for his own sister at around 15yo. At 12, Harry was not old enough, but separating the brothers for this would be fraught with difficulty and cause a lot of pain to both of them. Despite how we now know the impact it had, and despite whatever their fall outs have been, Harry himself recently said he'd never have let his brother do it alone (and vice versa). The decision to let them walk but keep them flanked by their father and grandfather was likely a middle ground.

It is also worth remembering that the country (well, certainly London) was suffering some sort of mass hysteria at this point, the like of which nobody had ever seen here and so nobody knew what to do for the best, nor how horrific it would actually be. Plus, this idea of "those poor boys shouldn't have walked" is relatively recent. In the immediate aftermath the majority of people thought it was a good thing that they did.

Finally, walking behind the coffin from the funeral home to the church was considered a completely normal part of the grieving process for a long time and until relatively recently. Indeed, it continues today where the close family follow the coffin into the church or crematorium. Aristocratic families tend to be pretty keen on tradition, so it wouldn't have seemed as odd to them then as it does to us now. What made this different was the insane behaviour of many of the British public who (IMO) felt guilty for contributing to her death through constantly consuming the paparazzi shots of her while she was alive.

The weird thing I found about the mass hysteria when she first died was walking in to work - I thought it was going to be a really hot topic, but no one was talking about it, it was just like a normal day. I brought it up with a colleague and there was barely an acknowledgement. We were very close to London but neither I or anyone I knew lay flowers, except for one person who treated it as a ‘day out’. It was almost as though it hadn’t happened, there was zero hysteria or even barely interest other than initial shock. It was definitely business as usual. The hysteria just seemed to exist on the telly (to me). I went to a wedding on her funeral day and that was all normal as well.

OldFan · 11/01/2023 16:14

@OhMonDieux And of course when PP was 16 he lost his sister and nephews in a plane crash, too

Shelefttheweb · 11/01/2023 16:30

BellePeppa · 11/01/2023 16:11

The weird thing I found about the mass hysteria when she first died was walking in to work - I thought it was going to be a really hot topic, but no one was talking about it, it was just like a normal day. I brought it up with a colleague and there was barely an acknowledgement. We were very close to London but neither I or anyone I knew lay flowers, except for one person who treated it as a ‘day out’. It was almost as though it hadn’t happened, there was zero hysteria or even barely interest other than initial shock. It was definitely business as usual. The hysteria just seemed to exist on the telly (to me). I went to a wedding on her funeral day and that was all normal as well.

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Same. It felt very media/politically driven with Tony Blair talking of the ‘people’s princess’. No one in my sphere was upset beyond the usual ‘that is sad’ you feel when someone you have heard of but barely know dies. I don’t know anyone who left flowers anywhere. At the time everyone I knew thought the boys should have stayed at Balmoral until the funeral.

HerReputationMadeItDifficultToProceed · 11/01/2023 17:25

This is the actual bit. I read it as that the bed was cosy and old- as backed up by the well-worn sheets- and as quite a nice thing. Certainly not that it was him complaining. Go and read the book rather than speculating would be my advice.

quietnightmare · 11/01/2023 19:59

Put it this way whatever way he mean tthe sunken bed comment if he literally meant the bed was shit and old etc it's still a better bed than us commoners sleep in

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Coffeecreams · 11/01/2023 22:34

disneydreaming101 · 11/01/2023 12:03

I took it to mean the mattress wasn't good to be honest which wouldn't surprise me at balmoral at all.

OP do you have any other siblings? It was defo a thing in my childhood that the favourite sibling was doted on and those of us not the favourite were placed in less nice rooms if we ever stayed/went away.

Seems like you're looking to much into it and considering you clearly do not like him I'm not sure why you watched the interview in the first place!

Why shouldn’t I watch the interview? Strange comment.

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MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 11/01/2023 22:40

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 11/01/2023 10:04

He could have attended the funeral without having to walk behind the coffin.

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I'm sure I've read that the boys wanted to walk and Prince Philip insisted on walking with them as he'd experienced early los

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Coffeecreams · 11/01/2023 22:45

Kanaloa · 11/01/2023 12:32

I think it’s very hard to draw conjectures on a book you haven’t even read. It’s also difficult when you’re a big fan of one side of a story - lots of people who are obsessed with this family sort of take sides in the argument and feel they are ‘part’ of it. Things like you calling him ‘Wills.’ But the fact is that you don’t know any of them, so don’t really know the story at all. And you haven’t read the book, so can’t even really draw conclusions from that either.

I didn’t draw ‘conjectures’ from a book as you put it. I watched Harry’s interview, and if you’d read my posts properly you should’ve understood that.

WTF are you on about in your comments about taking sides, me using the name Wills and that I don’t know any of them ?
Don’t be so ridiculous! … so what if I referred to him as Wills? For the record though, that was purely due to the predictive text, although it doesn’t matter anyway ffs.

I didn’t say I knew any of them either, and please don’t tell me I don’t know the ‘story’ at all, I’ve heard enough from his interview and can work out from that what he’s trying to do, I.e play the victim.

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Coffeecreams · 11/01/2023 22:47

Thestagshead · 11/01/2023 12:39

I very much doubt the palace had a bed sunk into the floor and the way harry talks about it in the interview does indeed make it sound like he meant an old sunken bed, which in my view is more realistic and also tallies with his woe is me narrative

At least some people can see where I’m coming from!

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Coffeecreams · 11/01/2023 22:50

whoyougonnacallGOATSBUTTER · 11/01/2023 13:09

Harry made a point of saying ‘that sunken bed’...does anyone else wonder if this comment was just another one of his sly digs

No, but you are sinking to even lower depths. The insipidity and vapidity of these threads just get worse every day.

‘Sinking to lower depths’ ? …. For discussing someone who’s in the headlines all over the World, clear off if you’re not interested in them. Problem solved.

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Coffeecreams · 11/01/2023 22:52

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 11/01/2023 14:15

Seems quite obvious OP hasn't read the book so is taking it out of context.

So we're not allowed to comment on interviews unless we've read the book? Do you work for the publishers?

Exactly

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Coffeecreams · 11/01/2023 22:59

MrPoppysParka · 11/01/2023 14:22

Spot on. Not to mention the fact that Charles, Camilla, Kate, ‘Wills’ literally could not care less about you. Honestly, you mean absolutely zero to them. Yet so many of you are spending hours online defending their ‘honour’. It’s unbelievable.

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Another poster who seems to think I’m stupid obviously…..

Seriously, do you honestly think I don’t know that none of the RF know or give two hoots about any of us? Ffs where do people like you spring from with your daft comments?
And you also have to highlight the fact I used the name Wills. So bloody what if I did? …. And as I said beforehand, it was predictive text anyway that popped up, not that it matters. Jesus, how bloody petty.

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Coffeecreams · 11/01/2023 23:00

Kanaloa · 11/01/2023 15:45

100%. You can call them Wills and gush over their children to the moon and back but your slavish adoration means nothing to them. They feel they deserve it anyway.

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You sound like a right twat to be honest.

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RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 11/01/2023 23:00

HerReputationMadeItDifficultToProceed · 11/01/2023 17:25

This is the actual bit. I read it as that the bed was cosy and old- as backed up by the well-worn sheets- and as quite a nice thing. Certainly not that it was him complaining. Go and read the book rather than speculating would be my advice.

Exactly

disneydreaming101 · 11/01/2023 23:45

@Coffeecreams because you clearly do not like Harry so why watch the interview?

That's like those who say I hate love island then watch it and bitch about it

Shelefttheweb · 11/01/2023 23:57

HerReputationMadeItDifficultToProceed · 11/01/2023 17:25

This is the actual bit. I read it as that the bed was cosy and old- as backed up by the well-worn sheets- and as quite a nice thing. Certainly not that it was him complaining. Go and read the book rather than speculating would be my advice.

A century’s worth of patch holes and tears on bedding stamped with ER? I wondered if the ER would then be Edward VII Rex to make it a century old but he was ERI (Rex Imperator)

JustWhattheDoctorOrdered · 12/01/2023 00:05

@Baconand
*You need to read the book.

I’m not a Harry fan but the comments taken out of context of the book change the meaning.

I’m listening in Audible, I still think he’s a massive twat but it is interesting to hear his perspective on things. He was a very traumatised child who has been badly parented. No wonder he’s such a fuck up*

This exactly!

I have just finished listening to the audible version. I am not a Harry fan either but if you read the whole book you get a very, very different picture of his life. I was very surprised by it. And I am extremely irritated by the many people who have strong opinions about him based on translated snippets from the book quoted on Twitter or MN. If you want to have an opinion on the book, then read the book!

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Coffeecreams · 12/01/2023 00:11

disneydreaming101 · 11/01/2023 23:45

@Coffeecreams because you clearly do not like Harry so why watch the interview?

That's like those who say I hate love island then watch it and bitch about it

So are you supposed to only watch interviews of those people you like then?

Does that mean that the other (likely at least a few million) people who watched his interview must like him? And if they don’t, then there was no point in them watching it either?

For what it’s worth, his interview put me off him more.
Also for what it’s worth, you actually make no sense with your silly comments.

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Kanaloa · 12/01/2023 07:44

Coffeecreams · 11/01/2023 22:45

I didn’t draw ‘conjectures’ from a book as you put it. I watched Harry’s interview, and if you’d read my posts properly you should’ve understood that.

WTF are you on about in your comments about taking sides, me using the name Wills and that I don’t know any of them ?
Don’t be so ridiculous! … so what if I referred to him as Wills? For the record though, that was purely due to the predictive text, although it doesn’t matter anyway ffs.

I didn’t say I knew any of them either, and please don’t tell me I don’t know the ‘story’ at all, I’ve heard enough from his interview and can work out from that what he’s trying to do, I.e play the victim.

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My comments are about people who obsessed over the royals, calling them affectionate nicknames while becoming over invested in their personal dramas. Like you.

Kanaloa · 12/01/2023 07:46

But one of your comments does rest on how he ‘apparently mentioned’ things in a book you haven’t read. So you are to some extent using a book you haven’t read to apply context to a comment.

Either way I’m sure Wills & Catherine will be so pleased you’re sticking up for them. They really need a friend like you in their corner. They’ll appreciate it so much.

Warringstars · 12/01/2023 07:58

Even if William had a bigger room with double bed etc, that would be completely unremarkable to me and my friends growing up - the eldest did get the bigger room etc. It was a very normal thing to do.

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Coffeecreams · 12/01/2023 08:21

Kanaloa · 12/01/2023 07:44

My comments are about people who obsessed over the royals, calling them affectionate nicknames while becoming over invested in their personal dramas. Like you.

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Ok, I think you need to have a word with yourself and back off.

As is everyone else, I’m entitled to start a thread and/or post on a thread (or as many threads as I want to) regarding Harry. I’m unsure if you’re actually aware but he’s one of the main news topics literally everywhere.
The reason he is one of the main topics, is because he’s put himself out there with his interviews, book, Netflix series , and is obviously trying to turn people’s opinions against members of the Monarchy.

Are you grasping this? … ok, I’ll continue.

I’m not a massive fan of the Royals, and I’m certainly not ‘obsessed’ as you imply based mainly on the fact I used the name Wills a couple of times. I’ve already explained how that came about (predictive text). not that I should explain myself to you. Yet you still have to come back at me.
If anyone is ‘obsessed’ over anything, you need to look at yourself, and ask yourself why you’re determined to not listen to digest what I’ve written and instead repeatedly make stupid comments to me.

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Coffeecreams · 12/01/2023 08:23

Kanaloa · 12/01/2023 07:46

But one of your comments does rest on how he ‘apparently mentioned’ things in a book you haven’t read. So you are to some extent using a book you haven’t read to apply context to a comment.

Either way I’m sure Wills & Catherine will be so pleased you’re sticking up for them. They really need a friend like you in their corner. They’ll appreciate it so much.

Here you go again. Please go forth and multiply.

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upinaballoon · 12/01/2023 08:50

I often think of William as 'Wills' because that's the name his father used when he was a baby in Australia, crawling to the edge of the blanket. It was the first time I ever heard it.
I never heard Harry referred to as 'Harold' until this last week.
Perhaps I will think of them as Wills and Harold from now on, although I've never met them.

Words and phrases go into our brains, sometimes planted there by princes and often by journalists - "forced to marry", "forced to walk behind his mother's coffin".......

I always remind myself that when they were walking behind the coffin the cameras were a long way from their faces. Near to them were the crowd and the policemen. They will have felt the closeness of the crowd more than the zoom of the cameras, I think.

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Coffeecreams · 12/01/2023 08:53

upinaballoon · 12/01/2023 08:50

I often think of William as 'Wills' because that's the name his father used when he was a baby in Australia, crawling to the edge of the blanket. It was the first time I ever heard it.
I never heard Harry referred to as 'Harold' until this last week.
Perhaps I will think of them as Wills and Harold from now on, although I've never met them.

Words and phrases go into our brains, sometimes planted there by princes and often by journalists - "forced to marry", "forced to walk behind his mother's coffin".......

I always remind myself that when they were walking behind the coffin the cameras were a long way from their faces. Near to them were the crowd and the policemen. They will have felt the closeness of the crowd more than the zoom of the cameras, I think.

Be careful if you use the name ‘Wills’, as one or two posters may accuse you of being obsessed with him, and state that you’re ‘over invested’ in the RF. I actually wonder how some people think the way they do. 🙄

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