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Ajay the tailor speaks about the flower girl dresses

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Orangefir · 10/01/2023 20:33

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11620179/Tailor-centre-Meghan-Kates-bridesmaid-dress-row-speaks-out.html

No surprises here. Days before the wedding the dresses didn’t fit. Couture gowns, made by Givenchy from measurements sent in. This tailor worked day and night but they had all six dresses to fix. It’s obvious they couldn’t get it all done. They really needed remade.

I think we can see why Kate was upset and why Charlottes dress and some of the other younger flower girls dresses looked awful.

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Orangefir · 10/01/2023 22:14

@beeny

Its that it’s not quite the situation Harry claimed in his book. You can see how it was stressful from both sides but Harry can’t state for a fact that Kate didn’t cry over the dresses when clearly when they were delivered days before and none of the dresses fitted. That’s a situation where she could cru because of the stress ans because Charlotte was upset.

The whole point is why on earth did M&H have to ‘correct the narrative’ and flip it onto Kate. They prob both cried. End of story. Move on. But they couldn’t let go

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ancientgran · 10/01/2023 22:14

beeny · 10/01/2023 22:10

I can't believe how you all take against Meghan for everything

I don't think everyone does. I think they were both stressed and highly likely they both cried. Once Meghan started it probably all spilled out so crying about her dad, the overwhelming nature of it all although it started with the dress.

MilkshakesBringAllTheCoosToTheYard · 10/01/2023 22:14

Madcats · 10/01/2023 21:16

I suppose we need to wait for Meghan's book, but something must have been going horribly wrong for a tailor and/or seamstress to need 4 days to fix some bridesmaids' dresses (with wonky/inconsistent hems).

This. My local high street tailor took 36 hours to do my bridesmaid's dress and it certainly wasn't the only thing they were working on that day! It's astonishing that 6 little dresses couldn't be fixed in a few days, given the amount of money that would have been flung at it.

Orangefir · 10/01/2023 22:15

@Tippexy

yup

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WeWereInParis · 10/01/2023 22:16

I wonder if the rush was connected to them jumping Eugenie in the order of weddings.

The date of their wedding was announced before Eugenie even got engaged.

MaryGubbins · 10/01/2023 22:17

We’ll all I’ve got to say is that Ajay is charging £300 for a shirt on his website. Blimey.

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/01/2023 22:18

Tippexy · 10/01/2023 22:12

Needed remade?

Kate said they needed remade (rather than just altered) because the fit was so bad.

She was probably right, at least in Charlotte's case. There's a limit to how much you can alter. And it takes longer

blubberyboo · 10/01/2023 22:19

i reckon Kate knew the dresses needed remade, maybe after taking advice from other designers and they probably advised that they should insist on a remake as didn’t meet contract. She was telling Meghan to insist on a remake and not settle for less.

it is also likely that there was a breakdown in relations between the couple and the fashion house and that made everyone on edge. Maybe it was caused by a last minute change to the dresses. It’s the only explanation really as to why the dresses arrived with no fittings

I also believe they BOTH cried.

Blueeyedgirl21 · 10/01/2023 22:20

To be fair to Kate hadn’t she given birth like 2 weeks before at this point. Pretty sure I dropped a mouthful of donut and cried at that point in my life 🤣

Orangefir · 10/01/2023 22:21

Agree 100% @blubberyboo

I read Kate consulted Sarah Burton. So this is where she would have got her advice from

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Rinoachicken · 10/01/2023 22:22

Gingersay · 10/01/2023 22:11

I wonder if there was supposed to be 6 flowers girls and that's why the time wasn't spent on the dresses. There was only 5 bouquets and 5 flower crowns which was a bit odd. Looks to me like one was added last minute.

Yeah that is a little odd. But even if one was added last minute, you surely don’t do fresh flowers weeks before, or even days. I can’t imagine the florist didn’t have enough to make a extra set, or that they didn’t have spares in case of ‘accidents’ (crowns and bouquets being sat on, thrown, swung around, picked apart by little people!).

confusedcentral5 · 10/01/2023 22:24

The whole point is why on earth did M&H have to ‘correct the narrative’ and flip it onto Kate.

Why should they not correct it though?

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/01/2023 22:25

Rinoachicken · 10/01/2023 22:22

Yeah that is a little odd. But even if one was added last minute, you surely don’t do fresh flowers weeks before, or even days. I can’t imagine the florist didn’t have enough to make a extra set, or that they didn’t have spares in case of ‘accidents’ (crowns and bouquets being sat on, thrown, swung around, picked apart by little people!).

I think the bouquet was because one of them held Meghan's

Blossomtoes · 10/01/2023 22:25

VladmirsPoutine · 10/01/2023 20:41

The article doesn't vindicate Kate. On the contrary the text message exchange makes Kate look vindictive.

Neither of them comes out of it smelling of roses.

MoscowMules · 10/01/2023 22:26

Blueeyedgirl21 · 10/01/2023 22:20

To be fair to Kate hadn’t she given birth like 2 weeks before at this point. Pretty sure I dropped a mouthful of donut and cried at that point in my life 🤣

🤣🤣 it's ok, we've all been there!

ApricotYoghurt · 10/01/2023 22:26

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/01/2023 22:18

Kate said they needed remade (rather than just altered) because the fit was so bad.

She was probably right, at least in Charlotte's case. There's a limit to how much you can alter. And it takes longer

I know this is totally missing the point, but 'needed remade' just sounds wrong... Is this what Kate is meant to have said? Shouldn't it be 'needed to be remade'?

BitOutOfPractice · 10/01/2023 22:27

No child Charlotte’s age knows or cares about the fit of a dress. Let alone cries about it. That’s bullshit.

That text exchange is “recreated” so just yeah. its also bullshit.

AutumnCrow · 10/01/2023 22:27

I know zero about fashion but the whole measurements fiasco sounds like the Spinal Tap Stonehenge of royal weddings.

ShamedBySiri · 10/01/2023 22:27

I used a local dressmaker for my bridesmaids. Can't remember the price - I think about £30 each? (Not counting material) Lilac shantung silk bodice and layers of net skirt. I remember taking my friend's daughter for a fitting but my sister flew in from Australia and there was no fitting for my niece but the dress was perfect. It doesn't take much to make a simple bridesmaid dress of that sort of style - fitted bodice and flared skirt - I'm in no way a skilled dressmaker but I reckon I could knock up one like it without too much trouble.
I hated those clumpy shoes the bridesmaids had, they must have really searched to find such horrid ones.

I think for Kate it was more than the one instance. No sooner had she had the baby than there must have been endless build up and drama about the wedding. And it would have been a nightmare organising feeding the baby and then rushing off to the wedding, presumably having had to pump off milk to keep the baby going for a fairly long time before her next chance to feed. I wonder if she went to the evening do. Both of mine refused to feed from a bottle. I'd have hated the stress of having to make sure this was possible very soon after the birth. I'd probably have pretended I had mastitis and cried off the whole thing.

LittleBearPad · 10/01/2023 22:27

Givenchy won’t be making bridesmaids dresses any time soon. Might have been better if they’d come from a bridesmaid dress designer. A posh monsoon!

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/01/2023 22:28

ApricotYoghurt · 10/01/2023 22:26

I know this is totally missing the point, but 'needed remade' just sounds wrong... Is this what Kate is meant to have said? Shouldn't it be 'needed to be remade'?

Nobody knows the exact wording

NOTANUM · 10/01/2023 22:28

Gingersay · 10/01/2023 22:11

I wonder if there was supposed to be 6 flowers girls and that's why the time wasn't spent on the dresses. There was only 5 bouquets and 5 flower crowns which was a bit odd. Looks to me like one was added last minute.

I’d say that’s it! The girls are sharing a bouquet in one photo and it’s Mulroony’s daughter who isn’t wearing the headdress but has the best fitting dress.

So did Givenchy not even get the number of dresses right or was a flower girl added at the 11th hour?

LittleBearPad · 10/01/2023 22:28

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/01/2023 22:25

I think the bouquet was because one of them held Meghan's

But that doesn’t mean they don’t have one in the first place? They double up

Orangefir · 10/01/2023 22:29

confusedcentral5 · 10/01/2023 22:24

The whole point is why on earth did M&H have to ‘correct the narrative’ and flip it onto Kate.

Why should they not correct it though?

Because they could have said all parties were upset. Instead, it was flipped to Kate and denied that Kate cried. They don’t know if she did or not. Now understanding the background to the fittings, it makes sense that they were both probably upset and both cried.
These things happen, there’s always tears in the planning. That should have been the approach but that not how it was played out on Oprah

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limoncello23 · 10/01/2023 22:29

It's difficult to judge the tailors' work on the bridesmaids dresses without knowing what they looked like without alterations. I would guess that something went systematically wrong in translating the measurements onto the fabric given that all the dresses were wrong. It all makes Givenchy look bad, but presumably there's a reason why the children didn't have an earlier fitting. It's interesting that for other royal and royal-ish weddings, the brides have more often chosen a children's clothes designer for the bridesmaid dresses. Do Givenchy usually make couture clothes for kids?

The kindest and also most likely explanation for Kate and Meghan's thing over this is that both were stressed and both ended up upset. It wasn't Meghan's fault the dresses didn't fit, nor was it Kate's.

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