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Ajay the tailor speaks about the flower girl dresses

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Orangefir · 10/01/2023 20:33

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11620179/Tailor-centre-Meghan-Kates-bridesmaid-dress-row-speaks-out.html

No surprises here. Days before the wedding the dresses didn’t fit. Couture gowns, made by Givenchy from measurements sent in. This tailor worked day and night but they had all six dresses to fix. It’s obvious they couldn’t get it all done. They really needed remade.

I think we can see why Kate was upset and why Charlottes dress and some of the other younger flower girls dresses looked awful.

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BitOutOfPractice · 10/01/2023 22:29

And @ApricotYoghurt its that sort of snippy irrelevant shite that leads to fall outs like this. It’s clearly a regional colloquialism by someone on this thread. Not a direct quote from a royal. So what’s your point?

Rinoachicken · 10/01/2023 22:29

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/01/2023 22:25

I think the bouquet was because one of them held Meghan's

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That makes sense - why no crown though?

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/01/2023 22:29

BitOutOfPractice · 10/01/2023 22:27

No child Charlotte’s age knows or cares about the fit of a dress. Let alone cries about it. That’s bullshit.

That text exchange is “recreated” so just yeah. its also bullshit.

Yeah, they do. Ask anybody who works with kids- some kids are really sensitive to how things feel and if the dress was massive it would feel wrong to some children. Mine included. She doesn't know how things shold fit but she knows if she doesn't like them. Plenty of others have agreed thay their kids are similar.

It's not like you can reason with a 3 year old.

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/01/2023 22:30

LittleBearPad · 10/01/2023 22:28

But that doesn’t mean they don’t have one in the first place? They double up

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adult bridesmaids do, but it's maybe too much for a wee kid to hold two?

Doingmybest12 · 10/01/2023 22:31

horrificbiology · 10/01/2023 21:23

I am quite surprised a 3 year old would be upset about the dress to be honest.

This. The only logical explanation I can see for so much stress for individuals that have a massive staff group and machinery to get things done is that H & M wanted to go it alone and do some of the stuff themselves/take control of their own wedding and it all went pear shaped because it wasn't a normal wedding etc What a mess it all is and I can't believe I am commenting.

VladmirsPoutine · 10/01/2023 22:32

Blossomtoes · 10/01/2023 22:25

Neither of them comes out of it smelling of roses.

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This is true and I doubt those two would be friends were it not their husbands being brothers but I just think the narrative of new mum Kate being forced to tears by the witch Meghan is a bit exhausting now.

HappinessIsLove · 10/01/2023 22:32

Harrysfrostbittentodger · 10/01/2023 20:47

I don’t understand why people are all up in arms about this.

Kate, a mother of three with a newborn (3 weeks postpartum) was stressing because her daughter’s dress didn’t fit and her child was upset about it. She knew that she and all the other girls would be on the world stage and would be judged.

Meghan is planning the wedding of the year, millions upon millions will be watching and she’s got a lot more to focus on than just bridesmaids’ dresses. Her family are also making a spectacle of themselves and she is unsure if her father is walking her down the aisle. She is also majorly stressed.

They are both curt with each other. In the text messages, both are rude to each other. Meghan cried. Harry is sure that Kate didn’t intend to make Meghan cry and just assumes that emotions are running high. Kate takes accountability and apologies with a gift. Meghan said Kate did everything that she would have done in the same situation.

The only problem is that it was leaked to the press and a false narrative was created. That’s all they wanted to correct.

I think that is ultimately what they are after. For all the false narratives to be corrected.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 10/01/2023 22:33

We had to work tooth and nail for four days, four of us working until 4am three nights in a row, to make them fit.

Four people, four days, day and night, to fix six little girls dresses? Sounds like a lot! And the hem was still wrong.

ApricotYoghurt · 10/01/2023 22:33

BitOutOfPractice · 10/01/2023 22:29

And @ApricotYoghurt its that sort of snippy irrelevant shite that leads to fall outs like this. It’s clearly a regional colloquialism by someone on this thread. Not a direct quote from a royal. So what’s your point?

Sorry, I misunderstood and genuinely didn't mean any offence.

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/01/2023 22:38

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 10/01/2023 22:33

We had to work tooth and nail for four days, four of us working until 4am three nights in a row, to make them fit.

Four people, four days, day and night, to fix six little girls dresses? Sounds like a lot! And the hem was still wrong.

It is a lot of hours, but it would have been very fiddly work so I guess it's possible.

IME it would have been quicker to make them from scratch than alter them. They wouldn't have been "French Couture" though

LittleBearPad · 10/01/2023 22:38

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 10/01/2023 22:33

We had to work tooth and nail for four days, four of us working until 4am three nights in a row, to make them fit.

Four people, four days, day and night, to fix six little girls dresses? Sounds like a lot! And the hem was still wrong.

You could make them from scratch in that time

Diverseopinions · 10/01/2023 22:39

ItWasDobbinAtTheMareAndSpare · 10/01/2023 21:02

I think M’s text was pretty snippy but I’m guessing they were strained before that. So much of it though, H really didn’t set M up for success. Like when she met W for the first time. She apparently hugged him and he recoiled and H says:

‘Maybe Willy expected Meg to curtsey? It would have been protocol when meeting a member of the Royal Family for the first time, but she didn't know and I didn't tell her.'

Not that I think she should have to curtsey, but imagine finding out afterward you were supposed to do that but instead you gave a hug. I’m starting to believe she really wasn’t prepared for much at all.

Kate is leading on Royal protocol and was expected, being close in age to Meghan and of the same generation to guide her in her new Royal undertakings.

As someone not even married into the house of Windsor, I don't see Meghan asking for advice about the dresses and what will be ok, according to the Queen. She is dismissive and determined not to demur to Kate's experience and more experienced judgement.

Megan's words suggest that she is minimising what might be a problem with the dresses and making it seem that it is all in hand and under control, when really it seems a big mistake and an error of judgement not to have had more regular fittings.

Sweetmotherofallthatisholyabov · 10/01/2023 22:41

Omg I think I have it. It is an imperial metric thing? I had an incident in work where a woman ordered a size 18 and got a women's size 18 and she's actually an 18 inch waist but because everyone else (men) on the team ordered with their measurements in inches she did the same. Is it possible Givenchy assumed bridesmaids were women? And 6 women's dresses arrived? Size 4 dresses instead of age 4 with the plan being to tailor fit the week of all along.

confusedcentral5 · 10/01/2023 22:41

Because they could have said all parties were upset

Why didn't the sources & leak that said M made K cry do that though?

Instead, it was flipped to Kate and denied that Kate cried.

I'm not sure why it's ok for the narrative to be M made K cry but not K made M cry?

I reckon they both cried, it's a stressful situation.

Newwardrobe · 10/01/2023 22:41

Kids absolutely do cry over clothes , I remember the showdown with my daughter when I wouldn't let her wear wellies to my cousins wedding.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 10/01/2023 22:41

confusedcentral5 · 10/01/2023 21:47

@BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz because their engagement was so soon after meeting...

2 years after their first date? Isn't that quite typical with 30+ year old who know what they want and are ready to commit?

vinoandbrie · 10/01/2023 22:41

WednesdaysPlaits · 10/01/2023 21:00

Was there not a monsoon in Windsor?

This was exactly my thought!

My DDs were flower girls the same year and had off the peg dresses from Monsoon. They fitted and hung just so, couldn’t have asked for more.

M’s flower girls’ dresses just didn’t look half as good as you would expect for the global wedding of the year, and M’s dress (shoulders and bodice) didn’t seem quite right either. I think Monsoon dresses for the flower girls could potentially have looked better!

The dresses for the flower girls at Eugenie’s wedding on the other hand (including Charlotte’s) were perfect!

Nicecow · 10/01/2023 22:41

HappinessIsLove · 10/01/2023 22:32

I think that is ultimately what they are after. For all the false narratives to be corrected.

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Which is fair enough. If people were honest with themselves on here, they would feel the same. I would be sick of fake stories about me too, surely anyone would 🤷🏼‍♀️

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Orangefir · 10/01/2023 22:41

@LittleBearPad

yes, you could but would need a machine and it wouldn’t be the hand-seen couture gown they wanted maybe?

I certainly would have them run up on the machine to make sure they fitted. I think the hours and hours or repairs was because it was all hand stitched

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Bagsundermyeyestoday · 10/01/2023 22:42

confusedcentral5 · 10/01/2023 22:41

Because they could have said all parties were upset

Why didn't the sources & leak that said M made K cry do that though?

Instead, it was flipped to Kate and denied that Kate cried.

I'm not sure why it's ok for the narrative to be M made K cry but not K made M cry?

I reckon they both cried, it's a stressful situation.

I'd cry too! Very stressful!

AliceOlive · 10/01/2023 22:43

confusedcentral5 · 10/01/2023 21:55

And Kate is not going to go on Oprah and tell us her truth.

why would she need too? people already thought M made K cry.

For historical accuracy. Apparently Harry feels these minor private interactions are an important part of history. 🤣

confusedcentral5 · 10/01/2023 22:43

Which is fair enough. If people were honest with themselves on here, they would feel the same. I would be sick of fake stories about me too, surely anyone would

Exactly, most people don't like inaccuracies about them but logic & nuance are in short supply on these threads.

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/01/2023 22:43

Orangefir · 10/01/2023 22:41

@LittleBearPad

yes, you could but would need a machine and it wouldn’t be the hand-seen couture gown they wanted maybe?

I certainly would have them run up on the machine to make sure they fitted. I think the hours and hours or repairs was because it was all hand stitched

Plus how careful would they have had to be when unpicking...one false slip and there's a hole in the bodice.

confusedcentral5 · 10/01/2023 22:44

@Bagsundermyeyestoday same!

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 10/01/2023 22:44

LittleBearPad · 10/01/2023 22:38

You could make them from scratch in that time

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With much better results.

I suppose the finding suitable fabric might have been difficult. All very strange.