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Ajay the tailor speaks about the flower girl dresses

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Orangefir · 10/01/2023 20:33

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11620179/Tailor-centre-Meghan-Kates-bridesmaid-dress-row-speaks-out.html

No surprises here. Days before the wedding the dresses didn’t fit. Couture gowns, made by Givenchy from measurements sent in. This tailor worked day and night but they had all six dresses to fix. It’s obvious they couldn’t get it all done. They really needed remade.

I think we can see why Kate was upset and why Charlottes dress and some of the other younger flower girls dresses looked awful.

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Theunamedcat · 12/01/2023 22:09

It's all a bit dramatic sobbing on the floor why would you not sit on your sofa from sofa.com you paid for it use it

MoscowMules · 12/01/2023 22:10

Theunamedcat · 12/01/2023 22:09

It's all a bit dramatic sobbing on the floor why would you not sit on your sofa from sofa.com you paid for it use it

I shouldn't have laughed at that, but I did 😳🤣

StatisticallyChallenged · 12/01/2023 22:16

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 12/01/2023 21:51

Biographies go back years, just because it happened a long time ago doesn't make it untrue.

Doesn't make it verbatim transcripts either. Which is how people are reading it, like it's exactly what Kate said and he's "released" the messages, when he's done nothing of the sort.

milveycrohn · 12/01/2023 22:41

I am pretty sure from Valentine Low's book, and the Telegraph article by Camilla Tominey, that the story of Kate crying, came from witnesses who were there at the time.
I do not think Queen Camilla had anything to do with it, unless she was there, which would seem very unlikely as she was not having a flower girl dress by Givenchy.
Harry fails to understand that members of staff (especially if they are disgruntled by bullying), will leak stories anonymously, which is nothing to do with Charles or Camilla.
(Yes, I know, the reporter on the Telegraph is also named Camilla - last name Tominey)
Also, it is clear from some stories circulating, that staff members witnessed events.

Sugarfree23 · 12/01/2023 23:22

Theunamedcat · 12/01/2023 22:09

It's all a bit dramatic sobbing on the floor why would you not sit on your sofa from sofa.com you paid for it use it

😂

Dobby123456 · 12/01/2023 23:35

Orangefir · 10/01/2023 20:39

The girls never had a fitting. This makes no sense. The average high street bridal store isn’t couture but made to measure and there are still multiple fittings. At least two.

Yet these are couture gowns, no fittings? Delivered days before the wedding. They also haven’t sent over their own seamstresses. So a tailor is employed to make all alterations to six dresses days before the wedding?

Something's seriously off

I was pretty surprised by that too. We bought our bridesmaid's dresses months before the wedding. There were melt-downs, panic email ('I look awful!'), alterations, but plenty of time to sort and no fallings out. As bride it's your job to make sure your bridesmaids are happy, so I think it's a bit unreasonable of Meghan to blame this all on Kate. It also wasn't Kate's fault that Meghan had fallen out with her dad!

Dobby123456 · 12/01/2023 23:36

Sugarfree23 · 12/01/2023 23:22

😂

😂

Dobby123456 · 12/01/2023 23:47

milveycrohn · 12/01/2023 16:45

According to Camilla Tominey who first wrote that Meghan made Kate cry, she had that information from two separate sources. Other sources have said that Charlotte cried as well. (Valentine Low's book). I take that to be from two of the dressmakers, who spoke anonymously (because of the NDAs). So there were witnesses.
However, when Kate made Meghan cry, Harry came home and found her sobbing on the floor, so I presume there were no witnesses as such.
I doubt that Harry was at any of the dress fittings!
Frankly, what amazes me, is that this is such an issue.
Kate had just had a baby, and Meghan also had the stress of her father to deal with; The wedding was obviously stressful for all of them.
Mumsnet is full of different wedding stories. I would be astonished if no one cried.

It seems the issue is that, when the story broke in the newspapers in a quite a one-sided way, Meghan and Harry wanted Kate's staff to phone the journalist and tell her that the story wasn't true. According to Harry's own account, Kate and William phoned Harry and Meghan and said lots of sympathetic things, but wouldn't agree to make any attempt to correct the story. Harry guesses that this is because their advisers had told them that the journalist might ask them what really happened, which would make them look ridiculous. Harry felt like he and his wifer were thrown under a bus to protect Will and Kate (a bit of a theme)

I agree with the advisers. Commenting on silly, petty gossip like this would make them look rather foolish. Rather like Harry and Meg look now for constantly bringing this up!

Cariadz · 13/01/2023 01:19

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 12/01/2023 19:58

What I find hard to understand is why Meghan was upset about Kate - even if she was snippy - rather than the six dodgy bridesmaid dresses she'd been saddled with four days before the wedding.

I think Meghan lost face and the last person in the world she wanted to hear from about the dresses was Kate who seems to be a thorn in Meghan’s side.

I could just imagine myself saying something like - I wouldn’t have minded so much if it had been anyone but her.

AliceOlive · 13/01/2023 02:33

Wiseoldself2022 · 12/01/2023 19:47

when I thought I’d heard it all!

Why on earth would Harry stoop that low and make up the text messages??

people are going to extreme lengths just to discredit this couple! 😔

Are you just coming up to speed? Those are not real text messages. The daily mail mocked them up.

And Harry himself explained: "Whatever the cause, my memory is my memory, it does what it does, gathers and curates as it sees fit, and there's just as much truth in what I remember and how I remember it as there is in so-called objective facts."

Legrandetraitor · 13/01/2023 06:08

Can someone be released from an NDA? I wonder if the palace will release the staff at Givenchy so they can tell the press what happened 😀

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 13/01/2023 07:15

Cariadz · 13/01/2023 01:19

I think Meghan lost face and the last person in the world she wanted to hear from about the dresses was Kate who seems to be a thorn in Meghan’s side.

I could just imagine myself saying something like - I wouldn’t have minded so much if it had been anyone but her.

I see what you mean, Cariadz. It does seem as if Meghan felt she had lost face and Kate was maximising rather than minimising the problem, which wasn't helping to steady Meghan's nerves.

Did Meghan feel that Kate was giving off a vibe of my fashion house (Alexander McQueen) is superior to your fashion house(Givenchy)? Had Meghan prevaricated rather too long over designs and things had been running terribly behind schedule so she felt a bit responsible?

Whatever happened, I imagine Meghan thought Kate was stating the obvious. All the dresses needed to be completely remade. Ideally. But this was an impossible task for Givenchy to carry out to their own high standards in the time left and they had refused to even attempt it. So it was quick fix time with the local tailor.

Meghan knew that. Kate knew that. And what Meghan needed was a text from Kate that said: 'Great that you've found a tailor willing to take on the job.' It'll be ok - maybe the dresses won't be perfect but they'll look fine on camera, don't worry. I'm sure Charlotte will be happy with her dress when it's fixed. When should I get her over to Ajay? Big hugz, hun. Fancy a brew?'

GinaandMartin · 13/01/2023 08:44

We only have Harry that said these texts said x,y,z. I think it’s been shown the book is full of inaccuracies, so his account can’t be trusted.

however, even if we are to take that these words have been said, we don’t know if he is quoting the full text message, part of the text message, or all the messages regarding the fittings

For example:

kate could have wrote in her final text message where she supposedly have said a curt ‘ok’

She could have wrote ‘ ok, will go round this morning and get everything sorted’
Technically, Harry wouldn't lying, he would just be quoting part of a text. He also wouldn’t be changing the meaning of the text. But what it could do is change the tone of the exchange. We don’t actually see a picture of the text exchange.

Harry’s version of events aren’t to be trusted

bakalava · 13/01/2023 09:38

All of this has been lifted out of Meghan's diary . Since her recollections vary, perhaps the ghost writer should have been more careful.
It is also a lesson not to write your life story while you are still young and the problems you had are ongoing and documented via various, credible sources. There may be money to be made this way, but only if your alibi is watertight.

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 13/01/2023 09:50

Would Meghan not have garnered more sympathy if she had been more open about the serious problems with the dresses in the telling of the story? Bringing Kate into it and making her the significant factor was confusing.

I do think Meghan deserved her place on the weeping seat. It sounds stressful. But Kate deserved her place on the weeping seat too, even if to a lesser extent. It's odd that Meghan couldn't countenance the idea of both of them crying.

ghjklo · 13/01/2023 09:55

maybe kate refused to take charlotte for the proper alterations as suggested by Meghan. it looked that way from the pics of the dress! sounds like she was offered a solution but refused to follow through with it, maybe to snub meghan somehow, show what awful dresses meghan was responsible for on the world stage etc.

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 13/01/2023 10:01

Hmmm. Could be that Charlotte's dress was the last one to get into the hands of the 'quick fix' tailor because Kate was hesitant, so there was less time to sort it.

ancientgran · 13/01/2023 10:04

ghjklo · 13/01/2023 09:55

maybe kate refused to take charlotte for the proper alterations as suggested by Meghan. it looked that way from the pics of the dress! sounds like she was offered a solution but refused to follow through with it, maybe to snub meghan somehow, show what awful dresses meghan was responsible for on the world stage etc.

Ajay has said it was six dresses. I can't imagine he would have attempted the alterations without a fitting, being handed a dress and told this doesn't fit and being expected to make it fit without seeing the person who is going to wear it doesn't make sense to me. I admit I am not any kind of dressmaker.

GinaandMartin · 13/01/2023 10:10

ghjklo · 13/01/2023 09:55

maybe kate refused to take charlotte for the proper alterations as suggested by Meghan. it looked that way from the pics of the dress! sounds like she was offered a solution but refused to follow through with it, maybe to snub meghan somehow, show what awful dresses meghan was responsible for on the world stage etc.

Right because she would do that to her own child just to get back at Meghan. Ludicrous

ghjklo · 13/01/2023 10:14

but it honestly doesn't look like that dress was altered. No tailor would leave the dress looking like that. Kate was offered a solution, it sounds as though they didn't take it up, whether that was intentional to snub, stubbornness, or not (maybe due to being too busy with newborn)

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 13/01/2023 10:18

But why did Ajay say he worked on all the dresses? Is it not more likely, if some of the dresses looked better, which seems to be the case, that the difference was having more time to work on some of the other dresses?

ghjklo · 13/01/2023 10:18

maybe Ajay is just a rubbish tailor or missed it. Seems to me that the issue here is with the tailor if he did work on it as he claims.

StatisticallyChallenged · 13/01/2023 10:22

Nowhere does it say Kate didn;t take Charlotte, even in Harry's version the last thing she says is fine. But if the dress needed remade there is a limit to how much it could be taken in - those who know sewing can see the neck is already "off" which is a sign of it being altered, but they probably couldn't alter it any more. It's more likely that some of the dresses were better than others to start with, and therefore more successfully altered

Doesn't explain the hem, but neither does Charlotte not being fitted. Nothing explains that hem!

Theheartmustpausetobreathe · 13/01/2023 10:38

Meghan would never mention she sent the wrong measurements,

Feeling proud of the tiny bit of knowledge about dressmaking I think I've picked up on this thread I'm going to say no ,no ,no .
Taking measurements is surely a skilled job and wouldn't be left to an un trained person .

GinaandMartin · 13/01/2023 10:54

ghjklo · 13/01/2023 10:14

but it honestly doesn't look like that dress was altered. No tailor would leave the dress looking like that. Kate was offered a solution, it sounds as though they didn't take it up, whether that was intentional to snub, stubbornness, or not (maybe due to being too busy with newborn)

They would if they didn’t have the skill set to alter a such a bespoke dress. The tailor wasn’t the designer, didn’t cut the patterns and so forth. You cannot alter a dress that needs to be made again. You are saying a tailor wouldn’t leave it this way, so you are saying this is how the atelier supplied the dresses? The poor man had days to alter 6 dresses. He did what he could with his team, mistakes were made clearly. But the fault does not rest with him. That is simply what happens when you don’t organise bridesmaids fittings and leave everything last minute.