Ajay the tailor speaks about the flower girl dresses

[Orangefir]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11620179/Tailor-centre-Meghan-Kates-bridesmaid-dress-row-speaks-out.html

No surprises here. Days before the wedding the dresses didn’t fit. Couture gowns, made by Givenchy from measurements sent in. This tailor worked day and night but they had all six dresses to fix. It’s obvious they couldn’t get it all done. They really needed remade.

I think we can see why Kate was upset and why Charlottes dress and some of the other younger flower girls dresses looked awful.

The majority of the blame on this fall's to the fashion house.

2 stressed women communicating badly is a mute point.

If the dresses were changed/ordered again and the fashion house didn't have time, they should have spoken up and said "not possible" rather than deliver rushed oversized poorly fitted dresses 4 days before a massive globally watched wedding!!

They also should have sent someone with the dresses to alter/fix them. Not left it to poor Ajay and his team (who I am sure we're paid a pretty penny but also worked an apparent miracle over 4 days to get them right, so well done to the man and his team).

The fashion house caused the drama and it's left in its wake a upset post partum mum and a stressed bride plus a fractious 3 year old -3 year olds are notoriously fractious-

By ‘text message exchange’ you mean

• a mock up of a possible text message by the daily mail
• based on a paragraph describing a conversation
• from a book written by a ghostwriter
• based on the recollections by Harry of
• a report of a conversation by Meghan
• five years after the event
• and the book was written to make Meghan look great and Kate bad.

That evidence?

How do we know these are the exact text messages?

I see Statisticallychallenged made this point already

We know they most definitely aren’t. The dailymail don’t pretend that they didn’t make them up.

Actually I can see why Givenchy didn’t get involved in sorting them. If it wasn’t their fault then they could have said “sorry there is no way to correct them now, there is insufficient time” because they wouldn’t have wanted to be associated with dodgy dresses. They would have said “you could see if you can get someone else to do something” because then any problems would not be theirs but the person who made the changes. They might wish they could distance themselves from the mistake but can’t because they know their clients valued discretion above all else - even dodgy dresses appearing at last minute.

My impression is the at there isn’t much ‘work’ in these dresses - no frills or trimmings, etc

I think that simplicity is or should have been charming, but depends a lot on cut and construction - ie, deceptive simplicity. And something went very wrong there

I referred to neither "evidence" nor "text message exchange" in my post, so I assume your question re evidence is meant for another poster, and you've quoted my post in error.

It’s the hardest thing to get right. Nowhere to hide your mistakes. And very difficult fabric to with with.

Have a look at the message you quoted in your post (click on Quote history). It is clear your reference in your statements ‘this is just a snapshot of one terse exchange’ and ‘as a standalone exchange she comes across as rude and terse’ applies to the post you quote that states ‘On the contrary the text message exchange makes Kate look vindictive’. My response was to both these posts.

@VladmirsPoutine referred to "text message exchange" and neither of us referred to "evidence". So still not sure which one of us you were addressing your question about evidence to. No matter - no point derailing the thread - just wanted to let you know that I wasn't able to respond, despite being quoted.

The banging on comes from the fuss and incorrect version being presented by the papers from the leak who chose to make M look bad.
and the other party did not bother

We obviosuly think about it in similar ways. It's like chinese whispers with the added complexity of time and egos

and memory...self confessed bad memory

They're couture, likely all hand stitched

they're made in a very hard to work with fabric

We don't know if Givenchy made them beautifully but just the wrong size, which they might have.

Kate knew what a well made child’s bridesmaid dress should look. Her experience in that regard was way more than Meghan’s. It really is that simple.

Kate also had a far better experience of how much in the spotlight dresses at weddings can be given her experience with her sister’s dress.

I think if Kate really was a dreadful person she would have actually just quietly had Charlotte's dress secretly re-made by her own tailor/favoured designer rather than raising the issue with the bride.

I bet she wishes she had done now.

Do you think Kate's mates have been messaging her asking to borrow her lipgloss- I wouldn't have been able to resist ;)

I am very much team Harry and Meghan. I think Meghan has been treated appallingly, and that the press would not have treated her like this had she been white. Its not a popular opinion, but it is mine.

That said, I can't help but feel for two women here. Meghan under enormous pressure due to the situation with her father. And Kate, a new mother of three. Still recovering from birth a few weeks ago. At 3 weeks post partum I was really fragile. Imagine, being up there with billions of viewers in a cream attire, towering heals. Still recovering from birth, sleep deprived, feeding issues, still bleeding. Its such a vulnerable situation. And being so well initiated in all the customs it must have stressed her out no end. I remember being in floods of tears because the HV was coming....

poor women. What an absolute farce

100%

But I don't think they needed to respond, what would they have said not to be dragged into Chinese whispers and gossip?

If both women cried (which I think they did) do they go for full clarification of "actually both M, K and Charlotte were tearful about the situation"

So M is still a "bad person" because K still cried by some supporters, or K is bad because she made M cry actually.

It's an impossible thing to try and defuse diplomatically.

Or do they go for

K did make M cry actually, but that's still not the full truth....

No winners there, what was easiest was to just let it become last week's tabloid fodder and await the next celebrity gossip to come out.

After 5 years? Oh dear 😣There isn't just one version, they will have both been upset, both for their own reasons. However, I can only see one couple retaliating and that is Harry and Meghan. After 5 years they feel the need to tell us that Kate was a meanie that's simply puerile and vindictive. If they are that happy, hippy Cali couple, they ought to be putting positivity out there not this mean girl / bully boy inane gossip. Harry has put his truth out there hurting his family and they are not running to the press retaliating. Will they ever move on from their petty jealous destructive mindset?

I don’t believe adults make other adults cry.

The banging on comes from the fuss and incorrect version being presented by the papers from the leak who chose to make M look bad
@Wiseoldself2022 that we do not know certain things
We dont know whether or not both women cried. If they did then the story was a partial truth rather than "incorrect". We dont know who leaked the story so it is possible that Katie's tears were the only part they witnessed. Just as Harry only witnessed Megan's tears. What we do know is that Kate "took accountability" for her part and acted to make amends.
The general consensus is that it must have been an incredibly stressful time for each woman for different reasons and likely to have been 6 of one half a dozen of the other. And if that was the case then the imbalance would still lie in Megan's lack of accountability and failure to reach out to Kate.
If this was case, what statement would they like to have been released?

It's an impossible thing to try and defuse diplomatically.

The press team tried their best - they said “That never happened”.

Orangefir · 10/01/2023 20:53
Exactly, Harry keeps stating it was Meghan that cried not Kate.

Must be true then - if Harry said it......