Ajay the tailor speaks about the flower girl dresses

[Orangefir]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11620179/Tailor-centre-Meghan-Kates-bridesmaid-dress-row-speaks-out.html

No surprises here. Days before the wedding the dresses didn’t fit. Couture gowns, made by Givenchy from measurements sent in. This tailor worked day and night but they had all six dresses to fix. It’s obvious they couldn’t get it all done. They really needed remade.

I think we can see why Kate was upset and why Charlottes dress and some of the other younger flower girls dresses looked awful.

And we all know it’s not possible for two people to cry on the same day.

What’s the chance that it was truly Givenchy’s fault but Meghan and Harry have not bothered to tell the world, “for history”?

Oh they do, bridesmaids make brides cry, brides make bridesmaids cry all the bloody time. Mothers of the bride are also sometimes crying.

When sitting in a dress fitting/food tasting/wine selection/venue walkthroughs and viewings or even on the actual day, I've seen lots of people make other people cry. 😳

I don’t mean no one ever gets upset and cries. But aren’t we responsible for managing our own emotions? If I cry, no one “made me”.

I think you can definitely make another person cry. If you tell your spouse who thinks you're in a happy relationship that they're an ugly cow and you hate them and wish they'd drop dead, it wouldn't be unexpected for them to cry and it would be reasonable to attribute the blame to you.

But that's very far from the situation here, even as described through Harry's warped memory. At most Kate was a bit sharp - if you cry in response to that then it's because other stuff is going on. You can't expect everyone to treat you like you're a delicate flower.

Another possible snippet of evidence is that Meghan continued to wear Givenchy after the wedding and seems to have continued to be on good terms with the designer....

According to Camilla Tominey who first wrote that Meghan made Kate cry, she had that information from two separate sources. Other sources have said that Charlotte cried as well. (Valentine Low's book). I take that to be from two of the dressmakers, who spoke anonymously (because of the NDAs). So there were witnesses.
However, when Kate made Meghan cry, Harry came home and found her sobbing on the floor, so I presume there were no witnesses as such.
I doubt that Harry was at any of the dress fittings!
Frankly, what amazes me, is that this is such an issue.
Kate had just had a baby, and Meghan also had the stress of her father to deal with; The wedding was obviously stressful for all of them.
Mumsnet is full of different wedding stories. I would be astonished if no one cried.

milveycrohn · Today 16:45
However, when Kate made Meghan cry, Harry came home and found her sobbing on the floor, so I presume there were no witnesses as such.

Is this when Meghan supposedly cried after something Kate had said or done? If so, I'll go with "M caused K to cry" as others are said to have witnessed it.
Meghan "on the floor" in tears when Harry came in - sounds like performance crying for his benefit.

You can't expect everyone to treat you like you're a delicate flower.

With the shit that Meghan had going on (mostly her dad being a dick) I think she did deserve a bit of leeway and extra kindness tbh. But then so did Kate (as a new mum to a 3week old). If either of those things were different then it would have probably blown over like most wedding-related dramas do.

It seems that Kate did acknowledged her part in the (mutual imo) overreaction by buying flowers. And, on the evidence of the dresses after goodness knows how much altering, it seems Kate was correct - they should have been remade rather than altered.

Finally, a "that never happened" statement was exactly what was needed, and exactly what the Palace said at the time. It was obviously a lie, but one told to try to keep the personal relationship (or lack thereof) between Kate and Meghan private. Having Harry's account of Meghan's version out in public hasn't exactly exonerated Meghan, so it would have been better all round if they'd all stuck with the "it didn't happen" story.

Meghan "on the floor" in tears when Harry came in - sounds like performance crying for his benefit.

That is unfair. I have (in the past) felt so overwhelmed that I sat on the floor and cried. It certainly wasn't "performance crying", I was struggling with my mental health. Just because someone responds differently to you when really upset it doesn't mean they're faking it.

Hasn't Harry also said that the story about M making K cry came from Camilla, after the Cambridges told Charles there'd been issues?

He claims that Kate acknowledges the story was totally false, but then simultaneously says that they worked out that the story must have come from Camilla and that they worked this out because William admitted he'd had dinner with Charles and he's told him there had been issues.

This doesn't really add up though. If the Cambridges didn't tell Charles that Kate cried then why would you conclude that C&C were the source of a totally different story to the one relayed by the Cambridges. Either

A) Kate cried, William told Charles who told Camilla who caused a leak
B) William lied about Kate crying, tol Charles, Camilla caused leak
C) William told Charles the "truth" (according to Harry), in which case where did Camilla get the story from?
D) it had bugger all to do with Camilla - but why do they thing it did if they didn't tell her that story

"We told person A story X, somebody leaked quite different story Y to the press, it must have been person A because I told them X" doesn't really make sense.

It's givenchy who looks bad here.

@JemimaTiggywinkles
Totally agree.

Remember it wasn't just her dad the sister and other markel brother was going great guns every day !

Remember it wasn't just her dad the sister and other markel brother was going great guns every day !

Tbh, I didn't remember that. I remember the headlines about her dad, and felt so sorry for her (I have a shit dad so empathise). Not doubting you, I just didn't pay much attention at the time - I used to have a much more exciting life than I do now 😂

And yes, it is definitely the fashion house that looks the worst here.

The book made it sound like Meghan was not there when Kate took Charlotte to Ajay. If not, how would they know if she cried or not?

And if Meghan was at home crying, how would Kate know?

Ive cried on the floor; in the car; all over the place. But I don’t ever tell anyone so they wouldn’t know if they didn’t see it happen.

And I do feel terrible for Meghan. I remember that news unfolding as it happened. It had to be an extremely stressful and emotional time.

But since the dress just didn’t fit and there was no one else in place to figure out what to do, what should Kate have done? It would not be ok to just ignore the problem. And she could not pull Charlotte out of the wedding.

To be frank, if the dress looked like that after it had been improved, goodness knows what it was like before!

First you take the fox and the grain across the river. You take the grain back and pick up the chicken…

Me too,

Just pointing out that (like much of what he says) there's some logical inconsistencies

when I thought I’d heard it all!

Why on earth would Harry stoop that low and make up the text messages??

people are going to extreme lengths just to discredit this couple! 😔

What I find hard to understand is why Meghan was upset about Kate - even if she was snippy - rather than the six dodgy bridesmaid dresses she'd been saddled with four days before the wedding.

It's not about "discrediting" him, but reading what is actually out there. He HAS NOT released the messages, he hasn't even claimed they're the exact messages. The newspapers stuck it in a phone graphic to make it look good

It's not real, nobody has seen the messages, they don't know what was actually said

This is:

• a ghostwriter
• retelling what he was told by Prince Harry
• Who is in turn relating what he was told by Meghan
• about a discussion which was a mix of text and actual conversation
• which took place 5 years ago
• and which they no longer have the messages from (if they told the truth in court)
• in a book that's designed to make them look as good as possible
• By a man who has said this, in the same book

Which makes me wonder if the mistake could have been Meghan’s (though not sure how unless she had measurements for other children) not Givenchy’s. Givenchy wouldn’t attempt to alter the dresses because they knew the outcome would not be to their standard, but there was no time to remake them either. Getting someone else to alter them as best as could be means the outcome wasn’t down to Givenchy. Givenchy wouldn’t break confidence of their client to say ‘it wasn’t our fault’ and Meghan would never mention she sent the wrong measurements,

Biographies go back years, just because it happened a long time ago doesn't make it untrue.