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Ajay the tailor speaks about the flower girl dresses

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Orangefir · 10/01/2023 20:33

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11620179/Tailor-centre-Meghan-Kates-bridesmaid-dress-row-speaks-out.html

No surprises here. Days before the wedding the dresses didn’t fit. Couture gowns, made by Givenchy from measurements sent in. This tailor worked day and night but they had all six dresses to fix. It’s obvious they couldn’t get it all done. They really needed remade.

I think we can see why Kate was upset and why Charlottes dress and some of the other younger flower girls dresses looked awful.

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Kitcaterpillar · 11/01/2023 15:19

The shoe hurting thing... There's no evidence their feet hurt? They all looked very cheerful. If there was a single photo of a child looking glumly at a shoe, no doubt we'd have been treated to a 10 page Daily Mail spread re. Charlotte's foot pain hell.

And, it's pretty churlish to say Meghan didn't look lovely. Whether you like her or not, she's extremely pretty and looked glowy and bright.

JusteanBiscuits · 11/01/2023 15:20

@LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet Sorry, I meant to say if "they" just saw awfulness.. not you

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 11/01/2023 15:21

Orangefir · 11/01/2023 12:54

Charlottes dress

To me that is an a-line dress - was it not a supposed to be one?!

Either way she was a 3yo in a bridesmaid dress she looked cute as hell!

Kitcaterpillar · 11/01/2023 15:23

AliceOlive · 11/01/2023 14:59

www.newsweek.com/meghan-markle-did-make-kate-cry-famous-flower-girl-argument-tom-bower-revenge-oprah-1726684

"Melissa Toubati, Meghan's assistant, and the dress-fitters employed by Givenchy's Clare Waight Keller, witnessed Meghan emphatically reject Kate's observation. Compromise was not a trait Meghan embraced."

Hardly a leak from the palace if Meghan's own staff and the dress-fitters are the ones talking.

Why does she have to compromise? Genuinely, why?

She didn't want them to wear tights, she didn't want the dresses remade. Fine. That's up to her. I don't like the pitting of the two women against each other when essentially I think William and Harry are probably both complete arses. But why didn't Kate just say...ok, it was an idea, never mind, it's your big day, it's fine, let's stick with this...

queenofarles · 11/01/2023 15:23

Madcats that’s interesting , could be , they are very plain , and the fabric is so easy to obtain from places like Joels and sons.

I read that Stella McCartney made Oprahs dress in less than 48 hours, And received it the day of the wedding, so such demands are not that difficult to fulfill , after all they are six very small dresses.

toomuchlaundry · 11/01/2023 15:28

@Kitcaterpillar because the dresses were really badly made and didn’t fit. I bet if Kate hadn’t said anything Meghan would have been really upset if the dresses looked really awful on the day. Luckily it is now only on close inspection that you can see that some of them still didn’t fit properly. And I bet Kate would have got the blame for not saying anything

Sugarfree23 · 11/01/2023 15:30

Kitcaterpillar · 11/01/2023 15:19

The shoe hurting thing... There's no evidence their feet hurt? They all looked very cheerful. If there was a single photo of a child looking glumly at a shoe, no doubt we'd have been treated to a 10 page Daily Mail spread re. Charlotte's foot pain hell.

And, it's pretty churlish to say Meghan didn't look lovely. Whether you like her or not, she's extremely pretty and looked glowy and bright.

We all know its a risk that bare feet in shoes might rub or hurt.

An adult will know to keep up the facade grin and bare it but small children are likely to become upset and cause a scene.

Why would anyone in their right mind take that risk with millions of people watching?

It's not like it's a TV soap that you can go for Take 2, it's effectively a live performance you get one shot at it.

Kitcaterpillar · 11/01/2023 15:39

But that didn't happen, so the decision was fine..

I don't buy it as an argument anyway, the tights from her wedding were so thin, they weren't going to protect from anything but the lightest rub. I think Kate is just more rigid in following how things 'should' be done and felt Meghan was doing it wrong.

Ajay the tailor speaks about the flower girl dresses
Harrysfrostbittentodger · 11/01/2023 16:31

I can’t see this quote in the article you linked it but I noticed this in the Sky News article.

Ajay said: "The issue was the sizing, but I don't know anything prior to that. Givenchy is a fantastic brand, and I can't say anything about what had happened before. We were just brought in to try to fix a challenge, and that's what we did."

bakalava · 11/01/2023 16:38

Meghan has little fashion sense/experience so even if they were remade in a similar silk it is not like she would be any the wiser. It is not an easy fabric to mend or for a child to wear although they were probably in the dresses for a short period of time compared to your average flower girl.

SingingWithSeals · 11/01/2023 16:44

Meghan has little fashion sense/experience

Hmm I think saying she has little fashion sense is rude and unnecessary.

As for experience, she has a little modelling and co-designing experience I think

(And if the rumour is to be believed, she's behind the website Meghan's Mirror but that's more merchandise experience.)

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 11/01/2023 17:00

I know what to look for, thank you. But you see, I saw the happiness, the cuteness. I wasn't there to pick holes in really relatively small details.

If you just saw everyone looking awful that says an awful lot more about you.

I wonder what it says about Harry, because he's the one who brought this up, years after the event.

The posters on here didn't write the book.

ilovepuppies2019 · 11/01/2023 17:00

Kitcaterpillar · 11/01/2023 15:23

Why does she have to compromise? Genuinely, why?

She didn't want them to wear tights, she didn't want the dresses remade. Fine. That's up to her. I don't like the pitting of the two women against each other when essentially I think William and Harry are probably both complete arses. But why didn't Kate just say...ok, it was an idea, never mind, it's your big day, it's fine, let's stick with this...

Presumably because Kate's daughter was the person wearing the dress. Charlotte cried because the dress was too large and presumably uncomfortable. Kate felt that it wasn't possible to fix the dresses in time / to an acceptable standard. She is responsible for protecting Charlotte which includes her wellbeing and public image. The photos would be reposted for the rest of time and would stay with Charlotte as she aged. Kate protected her daughter.

I don't agree with the a bride has ultimate control just because it is her wedding. Not where children are concerned. Any person, but especially a child, who must wear clothing has the ultimate right over wearing the clothing. Charlotte was not a doll to be dressed as commanded. Of course they may mean that a person can't continue as part of the wedding party but that's a choice that a bridesmaid is entitled to make.

Being a bride does not give you the right to tell other people that they must wear or for things the they are uncomfortable with

bakalava · 11/01/2023 17:04

I would withdraw my DD from bridesmaid duties for half of that aggro. She would have seen how that would have gone down in the tabloids!

But seriously, everyone moved on, apart from them two. Why on earth would you want the public to associate your wedding day with all that negativity?
Could they simply not have left their own big day alone? Perhaps decent dirt on Kate was really thin on the ground.

StatisticallyChallenged · 11/01/2023 17:05

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 11/01/2023 15:21

To me that is an a-line dress - was it not a supposed to be one?!

Either way she was a 3yo in a bridesmaid dress she looked cute as hell!

In the middle it dips down very suddenly - that's not just a line, it's wonky. The back (posted upthread by me) is even worse.

NoOrdinaryFlour · 11/01/2023 17:09

ilovepuppies2019 · 11/01/2023 17:00

Presumably because Kate's daughter was the person wearing the dress. Charlotte cried because the dress was too large and presumably uncomfortable. Kate felt that it wasn't possible to fix the dresses in time / to an acceptable standard. She is responsible for protecting Charlotte which includes her wellbeing and public image. The photos would be reposted for the rest of time and would stay with Charlotte as she aged. Kate protected her daughter.

I don't agree with the a bride has ultimate control just because it is her wedding. Not where children are concerned. Any person, but especially a child, who must wear clothing has the ultimate right over wearing the clothing. Charlotte was not a doll to be dressed as commanded. Of course they may mean that a person can't continue as part of the wedding party but that's a choice that a bridesmaid is entitled to make.

Being a bride does not give you the right to tell other people that they must wear or for things the they are uncomfortable with

100%

Orangefir · 11/01/2023 17:11

Meghan had a limited clothing range at a US chain store. She will have been fitted for many gowns. Her bffs are in fashion etc

She would have the knowledge of how dress fittings worked etc. I have no idea why she decided not to go ahead with remaking the dresses but it wasn’t for lack of knowledge.

Perhaps distracted with her father issues

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Kitcaterpillar · 11/01/2023 17:20

Of course you can be obstructive and do all that. Or you can think - this is my BiL's, who I love, wedding, this is an extremely high pressure situation for the bridge, my child isn't in danger or pain, she's just a bit upset. And you can make a positive decision to be as helpful as possible.

Orangefir · 11/01/2023 17:27

Kitcaterpillar · 11/01/2023 17:20

Of course you can be obstructive and do all that. Or you can think - this is my BiL's, who I love, wedding, this is an extremely high pressure situation for the bridge, my child isn't in danger or pain, she's just a bit upset. And you can make a positive decision to be as helpful as possible.

What benefit would it be to be obstructive? She wanted to get it fixed, she had the correct solution. Meghan didn’t respond and got back a day later saying go to the tailor. Kate said ok.

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SingingWithSeals · 11/01/2023 17:29

@Kitcaterpillar do you not realise that the 'text' conversation is a condensed version that took place in person, and that we're getting via Harry, who wasn't there?

As such, we don't know the tone in which Kate or Meghan was talking, or what else was said, including anything helpful Kate tried to do. It sounds like as Meghan didn't get back to her for 24 hours, she did try to do something by asking a designer about what to do about the dresses; that could have been intended to be helpful. We know that the problem was Charlotte's dress was far too long and big, so clearly something had to be done to stop her or anyone else tripping over it down the aisle.

IMO going by the exchange, both women were snippy and rude, but both had stressful life changes going on. In the mock up text, Kate responding with "fine" (when clearly she would have said more in person probably) had me laughing, sounded very like my teen daughter.

LongWinded · 11/01/2023 17:43

I think in Kate's shoes I'd have said
'Hi Meg, I know you've got a lot on your plate ATM, I hope you're ok, let me know if there is anything we can help with. Probably the last thing you want to deal with right now but we have a situation with the dresses. I reckon redoing them might be quicker than altering them even if that sounds counter intuitive at this point. I can get someone to do this, would this work for you? 😘'

Gilmorehill · 11/01/2023 17:48

RunLolaRun102 · 10/01/2023 23:40

They are incredibly popular. Don’t believe what the DM tells you. Spare is going to be the best selling memoir ever in the world.

That’s not because people like them. Dh is from the Middle East and I can tell you they aren’t liked in the part of the world. Backstabbing your family doesn’t go down well in a culture like that.

MrsPetty · 11/01/2023 17:59

I don’t think Givenchy were really that pushed about working with the soon to be Sussex’s. If they were they’d have done better! And it’s so odd that Meghan didn’t have a wedding planner to deal with all of this … the idea of a wedding of that scale and the bride having to deal with all that four days before the wedding is kinda weird!

SingingWithSeals · 11/01/2023 18:00

LongWinded · 11/01/2023 17:43

I think in Kate's shoes I'd have said
'Hi Meg, I know you've got a lot on your plate ATM, I hope you're ok, let me know if there is anything we can help with. Probably the last thing you want to deal with right now but we have a situation with the dresses. I reckon redoing them might be quicker than altering them even if that sounds counter intuitive at this point. I can get someone to do this, would this work for you? 😘'

Would you really if you’d given birth just 3-4 weeks before?

I had to attend a wedding where DH was the best man when DD was 5 weeks old after a terrible birth. It was hard enough. I know Kate will have had staff but I sympathise.

Bib1234 · 11/01/2023 18:11

VladmirsPoutine · 10/01/2023 20:41

The article doesn't vindicate Kate. On the contrary the text message exchange makes Kate look vindictive.

In the book they miss out a few texts - it’s completely contrived to make Kate look bad