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Ajay the tailor speaks about the flower girl dresses

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Orangefir · 10/01/2023 20:33

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11620179/Tailor-centre-Meghan-Kates-bridesmaid-dress-row-speaks-out.html

No surprises here. Days before the wedding the dresses didn’t fit. Couture gowns, made by Givenchy from measurements sent in. This tailor worked day and night but they had all six dresses to fix. It’s obvious they couldn’t get it all done. They really needed remade.

I think we can see why Kate was upset and why Charlottes dress and some of the other younger flower girls dresses looked awful.

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LittleBearPad · 10/01/2023 23:12

RunLolaRun102 · 10/01/2023 23:10

Kate and William have a nanny who spends more time with those children than they do & also had a night nurse after the baby was born. The nanny SHOULD have taken Charlotte to the fittings. It seems being part of the royal family has turned Kate’s head. If they keep this snooty behaviour up then it won’t be long before it’s Charlotte and Louis releasing their ‘tell all’ books.

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Have you ever had a nanny?

Do you understand the difference between a mother and nanny

There were days when my children spent many many more hours with their nanny than me. There are still things I would never have asked the nanny to do.

XanaduKira · 10/01/2023 23:14

Orangefir · 10/01/2023 20:39

The girls never had a fitting. This makes no sense. The average high street bridal store isn’t couture but made to measure and there are still multiple fittings. At least two.

Yet these are couture gowns, no fittings? Delivered days before the wedding. They also haven’t sent over their own seamstresses. So a tailor is employed to make all alterations to six dresses days before the wedding?

Something's seriously off

I thought this also. Seems very strange.

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/01/2023 23:14

MoscowMules · 10/01/2023 23:11

For those not understanding the fix Vs remake argument.

Imagine you take a dress pattern. Cut that pattern out 4 sizes too big for the dress you need.

Make that dress.

You now can not make that dress smaller by 4 sizes with simple alteration.

The length between the shoulder and the waist is too long.

The length across the back between the shoulders are too wide.

The space between the hip and the waist are too long.

No amount of hemming, or pulling in seems will correct that.

So you have to unpick the dress, lay out the pattern again, and actually cut the fabric smaller and put it back together.

This is why when brides are loosing weight for their wedding days, some seamstresses on the last but final fitting will say "you can't loose anymore weight or this dress will not fit" because they can't alter it anymore, they would need a whole new dress.

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  • the neck will be too wide and deep
  • the armholes will be totally wrong
BornBlonde · 10/01/2023 23:16

LadyTwinkle · 10/01/2023 21:16

I assumed for a wedding of this magnitude that there would be a professional wedding planner (or 5) organising things like dress fittings. but yet 4 days before the wedding Meghan and Kate were whatsapping each other about bridesmaid dresses. That just seems crazy and bizarre to me. I know that's what us common folk would do but not the Royal Family surely. I thought the valets and ladies maids would handle that.

@LadyTwinkle

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Surely staff/wedding planners/Givenchy should have collaborated on flowers girl fittings etc.

Gilmorehill · 10/01/2023 23:16

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 10/01/2023 23:03

Can you just image the shit storm if Kate had said nothing and the dresses looked worse?

then she’d have been the bitch that knew how in the spotlight it was going to be, had lots of contacts that could help etc etc

Absolutely. She wanted her daughter to look nice at their wedding, yet she’s the bad guy.

confusedcentral5 · 10/01/2023 23:16

@StatisticallyChallenged so we're the dresses remade then?

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/01/2023 23:17

ItWasDobbinAtTheMareAndSpare · 10/01/2023 23:12

She hadn’t met Kate at the point I was referring to. In the book H says that he takes Meghan to meet W for the first time. She gives him a hug and he ‘recoils’ and then H writes the bit about how M should have curtsied but he didn’t tell her that. So he didn’t tell her what mad level of actual formality was expected and she basically did the opposite.

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Something I thought odd about this - Meghan describes meeting Kate all bare foot/ripped jeans/hugs. But she'd already met William first and (by Harry's account) the level of formality was a clash.

If he'd been that obviously shocked surely she would have noticed, and even if not Harry did. So why the heck didn't they change tack a bit for meeting Kate?

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Orangefir · 10/01/2023 23:17

Clearly the dresses were not remade. Drastic alterations were made but they still didn’t fit correctly

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StatisticallyChallenged · 10/01/2023 23:18

confusedcentral5 · 10/01/2023 23:16

@StatisticallyChallenged so we're the dresses remade then?

As far as we can tell not fully, which is why Charlotte's wound up looking like this

Ajay the tailor speaks about the flower girl dresses
Ajay the tailor speaks about the flower girl dresses
confusedcentral5 · 10/01/2023 23:18

and why were they not remade?

Kitcaterpillar · 10/01/2023 23:19

The fact some posters refuse to see how this would have been a stressful week for Meghan, where perhaps someone else's child crying about a dress just didn't feel that important, kind of shows how blinded to any kind of reason this situation has become.

I'm sure Kate could have given Charlotte a biscuit, told Meghan it was all going to be fine and got the dress sorted. Yes, she had a newborn but mums with newborns and other children still manage to do simple tasks. And most of them don't have staff.

It is entirely possible that all 4 of them are arseholes. That knowing you're going to be King and Queen and living a life of unimaginable privilege doesn't make you particularly nice people.

confusedcentral5 · 10/01/2023 23:19

I assume there wasn't enough time

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Orangefir · 10/01/2023 23:19

Because Meghan told them to go to a tailor for alterations

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Shelefttheweb · 10/01/2023 23:19

Even if relations were strained between Meghan and Givenchy, I am still surprised they didn’t get fittings, send seamstresses etc. Their products and reputation were on display so you grit your teeth, get it right, make a loss and vow never to work with that individual ever again. Or you turn down the commission to start with.

confusedcentral5 · 10/01/2023 23:20

It is entirely possible that all 4 of them are arseholes

yep

ItWasDobbinAtTheMareAndSpare · 10/01/2023 23:20

It is all really weird though isn’t it? I do not believe Kate would have wanted the original story leaked that she was made to cry. It’s not in keeping with her image at all and too open to all the unseemly conversation that it drove, then and now. I think one of the tailors / assistants / staff etc is more likely. Maybe that’s why Kate prefers her ‘people’ to do things. Maybe she’s really careful who gets to be with the children too, think of the random things that come out of kid’s mouths.

But yes, the very most bizarre thing is that all this wasn’t sorted weeks before - this is the Royal Wedding, not me on my local Facebook group begging for a tailor for last minute emergency?! You’d think there’d be a wedding planer somewhere in a lot of trouble?

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Orangefir · 10/01/2023 23:21

A tailor isn’t a couturier. A couturier would have to adjust the patterns and cut and see again. That wouldn’t be possible if you send them along to your local tailor

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StatisticallyChallenged · 10/01/2023 23:21

confusedcentral5 · 10/01/2023 23:19

I assume there wasn't enough time

Meghan would have had to agree to that - as they would have needed to source new fabrics etc. Maybe she didn't want to, she'd arrange couture Givenchy dresses and that was important to her. "Run up by a local tailor" doesn't have quite the same ring to it

AutumnCrow · 10/01/2023 23:21

May I ask the fashion-knowledgeable posters, is this likely to be damaging for Givenchy? Or a storm in a teacup?

Kitcaterpillar · 10/01/2023 23:21

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/01/2023 23:17

Something I thought odd about this - Meghan describes meeting Kate all bare foot/ripped jeans/hugs. But she'd already met William first and (by Harry's account) the level of formality was a clash.

If he'd been that obviously shocked surely she would have noticed, and even if not Harry did. So why the heck didn't they change tack a bit for meeting Kate?

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Why couldn't William and Kate lighten up and act like a normal couple in their 30s (40s?) meeting their brothers new girlfriend? The younger Royals seem to want us to view them as normal people. The European royal families certainly manage it.

RunLolaRun102 · 10/01/2023 23:21

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/01/2023 23:17

Something I thought odd about this - Meghan describes meeting Kate all bare foot/ripped jeans/hugs. But she'd already met William first and (by Harry's account) the level of formality was a clash.

If he'd been that obviously shocked surely she would have noticed, and even if not Harry did. So why the heck didn't they change tack a bit for meeting Kate?

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I’m guessing the future king of England and his wife are experts at not revealing how they really feel. It’s clear that Harry was told both times and chose, for reasons of his own, not to tell Meghan. I guess he didn’t want to lose her. Any normal woman’s reaction would be to get the fuck out of there had their brother & sister in law complained about a hug!

MoscowMules · 10/01/2023 23:22

BornBlonde · 10/01/2023 23:16

@LadyTwinkle

This

Surely staff/wedding planners/Givenchy should have collaborated on flowers girl fittings etc.

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As a previous wedding planner, yes this would all be my job.

I either invite bridal party in for a fitting/book fitting at a store/take fitting to bridal party house.

Dresses are then tried on in presence of seamstress, alterations noted.

Bridal party leave.

Return again at later date for further/final fitting.

I've had one issue where the seamstress fucked it all up, but again as the wedding planner that's my job to find and source a new seamstress and get it sorted.

Bride just needs to be kept in loop and know things are in hand. Even if I'm furiously googling all seamstresses withing a 50mile radius and panicking

confusedcentral5 · 10/01/2023 23:22

@Orangefir well they needed alternations didn't they

Nicecow · 10/01/2023 23:22

confusedcentral5 · 10/01/2023 23:20

It is entirely possible that all 4 of them are arseholes

yep

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RunLolaRun102 · 10/01/2023 23:23

Kitcaterpillar · 10/01/2023 23:21

Why couldn't William and Kate lighten up and act like a normal couple in their 30s (40s?) meeting their brothers new girlfriend? The younger Royals seem to want us to view them as normal people. The European royal families certainly manage it.

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Yes. The worst thing about all this is how abnormal William and Kate are. We were fed this huge lie about them being ‘down to earth’ when they’re so far at the opposite scale they might as well be in space.