Page 11 | Ajay the tailor speaks about the flower girl dresses

Orangefir · 2023-01-10T20:33:19+00:00

[[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11620179/Tailor-centre-Meghan-Kates-bridesmaid-dress-row-speaks-out.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11620179/Tailor-centre-Meghan-Kates-bridesmaid-dress-row-speaks-out.html]] No surprises here. Days before the wedding the dresses didn’t fit. Couture gowns, made by Givenchy from measurements sent in. This tailor worked day and night but they had all six dresses to fix. It’s obvious they couldn’t get it all done. They really needed remade. I think we can see why Kate was upset and why Charlottes dress and some of the other younger flower girls dresses looked awful.

NoOrdinaryFlour · 10/01/2023 22:45

MoscowMules · 10/01/2023 21:57

I used to be a wedding planner/wedding and events manager.

I have seen many a 3 year old cry over a dress/page boy outfit/kilt/button holes/not being in a bridal gown/ not having a colour dress they wanted/having to wear formal shoes

I mean I've also had many brides cry for various reasons also and the odd groom.

Weddings are stressful.😬

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This!! The posters who say a 3 year old wouldn't care either have never had 3 year old girls or extremely placid ones. DD2 was a threenager and could dig her heels in over the most ridiculous things. A bulky dress with too much fabric that would have felt weird to wear could upset lots of 3 year old flower girls.

AuroraCake · 10/01/2023 22:46

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 10/01/2023 22:44

With much better results.

I suppose the finding suitable fabric might have been difficult. All very strange.

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It would have been easier. The tailor new or too. Maybe Kate had been up there talking to him, Meghan refused to have them remade and she was trying to get the point across.

704703hey · 10/01/2023 22:46

I think I could throttle whoever leaked that story in the first place 😁

Hopefully that's an end to it now.

pelargoniums · 10/01/2023 22:46

Kate consulting her own wedding dress designer as the arbiter on how the dresses should look is an absolute shit’s trick though isn’t it? “AIBU? I’m getting married in four days and SIL’s daughter is a flower girl. SIL is refusing to get the dress tailored to her DD and instead wants a whole new dress made – she even says she’s asked her own wedding dress designer what would be best! She’s ignoring my designer and my tailor. I’m finding it all a bit controlling, which tbh she has form for – there’s a whole ‘borrowed lipgloss’ incident…”

stormywaves · 10/01/2023 22:48

Harrysfrostbittentodger · 10/01/2023 20:47

I don’t understand why people are all up in arms about this.

Kate, a mother of three with a newborn (3 weeks postpartum) was stressing because her daughter’s dress didn’t fit and her child was upset about it. She knew that she and all the other girls would be on the world stage and would be judged.

Meghan is planning the wedding of the year, millions upon millions will be watching and she’s got a lot more to focus on than just bridesmaids’ dresses. Her family are also making a spectacle of themselves and she is unsure if her father is walking her down the aisle. She is also majorly stressed.

They are both curt with each other. In the text messages, both are rude to each other. Meghan cried. Harry is sure that Kate didn’t intend to make Meghan cry and just assumes that emotions are running high. Kate takes accountability and apologies with a gift. Meghan said Kate did everything that she would have done in the same situation.

The only problem is that it was leaked to the press and a false narrative was created. That’s all they wanted to correct.

I think the problem is H&M won't get it go as one of those melt down moments when everyone is tired, stressed and emotional with tempers are getting frayed and are keep turning it into how they were victims in this.

Gymnopedie · 10/01/2023 22:48

Izzy24 · 10/01/2023 21:33

And are we supposed to believe that screenshot of the alleged text exchange is real? 🙄

Not an actual screenshot, but mocked up from what's in the book. Harry says it was done by texts and gives what was said in them. My understanding is that

Kate sent a message to Meghan saying none of the dresses fitted properly and what was going to be done about it.

Meghan got a lot of messages that day but her head was taken up by the will he/won't he about her father so didn't reply to Kate for 24 hours

Kate got stressed about the lack of a reply because all the time she heard nothing was time that could have been used to alter the dresses, and she knew just how badly they needed it

I can understand that Meghan was stressed. Weddings can be difficult to organise and the biggest wedding of the year even more so, without the added (enormous) complication of Thomas Markle, so I'm not surprised Meghan collapsed in a heap of tears at some point. What I think is wrong is to make out that it was all solely Kate's fault. It was the pressure of the whole thing, not that one incident. The crying could easily have been the fact that the dresses didn't fit and it was getting late in the day to do anything about it. But H&M want Kate to be the fall guy.

AliceOlive · 10/01/2023 22:49

confusedcentral5 · 10/01/2023 22:43

Which is fair enough. If people were honest with themselves on here, they would feel the same. I would be sick of fake stories about me too, surely anyone would

Exactly, most people don't like inaccuracies about them but logic & nuance are in short supply on these threads.

And yet, they let it ride for two years that the entire RF are racist. They presented this on Oprah only to now deny it completely. So they didn’t know that’s the idea they fomented because they don’t read the press? Or they were just ok with letting that flourish?

That is very hypocritical. And being painted as racist is a heck of a lot worse than “somebody made somebody cry!”

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Orangefir · 10/01/2023 22:51

@pelargoniums

Well depends on when she contacted her. Harry said that Kate texted Meghan but Meghan because she was busy, never got back to her until the next day. But is that 12hrs? 36hrs?

If she contacted her straight away, yes I agree with you.
If the hours were passing and she needed to get something sorted, pulling her contacts to try and work out a solution isn’t unreasonable

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confusedcentral5 · 10/01/2023 22:51

@BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz

2 years after their first date

It wasn't 2 years though? and what's the relevance of whether it was typical or not? I simply said it wasn't a long time to prepare for a Royal wedding, marrying into the Royals & preparing for tours etc. Most 30 yr olds keen to settle down aren't dealing with that...

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/01/2023 22:52

pelargoniums · 10/01/2023 22:46

Kate consulting her own wedding dress designer as the arbiter on how the dresses should look is an absolute shit’s trick though isn’t it? “AIBU? I’m getting married in four days and SIL’s daughter is a flower girl. SIL is refusing to get the dress tailored to her DD and instead wants a whole new dress made – she even says she’s asked her own wedding dress designer what would be best! She’s ignoring my designer and my tailor. I’m finding it all a bit controlling, which tbh she has form for – there’s a whole ‘borrowed lipgloss’ incident…”

Could have been the complete opposite though - tries it on, it's awful. Harry said there was a gap between her first messaging and M replying I think? So maybe she sends an initial "doesn't fit" message, maybe she doesn't.

But its 4 days to go, her daughter's crying, things are already strained with Meghan...the consultation with whoever (I've seen both McQ/SB and palace tailor in different stories) could just as easily have been her trying to fix it - maybe she asked them to see if they could alter it as she knew all the dresses were ill fitting and time was short and she didn't want to take it to Meghan. Once they said "it's a remake" she didn't have much choice

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LittleBearPad · 10/01/2023 22:54

Orangefir · 10/01/2023 22:41

@LittleBearPad

yes, you could but would need a machine and it wouldn’t be the hand-seen couture gown they wanted maybe?

I certainly would have them run up on the machine to make sure they fitted. I think the hours and hours or repairs was because it was all hand stitched

You can’t tell in the photos they are hand stitched. I doubt you can from 2 foot. You can however tell they don’t fit properly. It would be worth sacrificing hand sticking for dresses that fit.

smilingthroughgrittedteeth · 10/01/2023 22:54

TheSnugglyDuckling · 10/01/2023 21:59

That’s interesting - my DS isn’t particularly interested in clothes so it didn’t make sense to me a 3/4 year old would be so upset about it but it depends on the personality.

I didn’t notice at the time but looking now you can see the bridesmaids’ dresses are baggy and don’t fit properly, especially compared to Pippa M’s bridesmaids’ dresses (absolutely hated Pippa’s pageboy outfits tho).

and i remember at the time thinking Meghan’s dress wasn’t flattering at all - the sleeves gaped and looked too short, the bodice wasn’t fitted and the fabric sat in a very heavy, inelegant way on her body and especially around the skirt.

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I have 2 daughters and a son. Son couldnt care less about what hes wearing, one DD has an opinion on what she wants to wear but cant imagine she would be bothered by size/cut/style, other DD is a complete nightmare with clothes and regularly kicks off about something not fitting right. I am with DS and couldnt care less about fashion so no idea where she gets it from.

I think im inclined to believe the issues were Megans friends winding the situation up if the account of the other bridesmaid and her mother upsetting Charlotte are to be believed, I think Catherine had a newborn and was tired, even if she had an army of nannies doing all child care she had still recently given birth, an upset DD and quite rightly couldnt be arsed taking or organising someone to take her for a fitting when she knew the only way to fix it was for new dresses to be made and on top of that she was likely to bump into the bitchy best friend and her daughter. Megan was stressed and they were both snappy. For Harry to keep bringing this up is just ridiculous.

SirVixofVixHall · 10/01/2023 22:55

Blueeyedgirl21 · 10/01/2023 21:11

Honestly could someone not have popped to Harvey Nicks for 6 lovely little dresses ?!! Did they have to be couture ?! Or got someone like Rachel Riley or Amaia Kids to drop a load off

Absolutely. Dresses for such little girls need a specialist children’s clothing designer, or a really good local seamstress. Many choices locally . The dresses arriving so close to the day is really strange.

LittleBearPad · 10/01/2023 22:55

LittleBearPad · 10/01/2023 22:54

You can’t tell in the photos they are hand stitched. I doubt you can from 2 foot. You can however tell they don’t fit properly. It would be worth sacrificing hand sticking for dresses that fit.

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Stitching! Getting the PVA out wouldn’t have helped.

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Orangefir · 10/01/2023 22:56

100% agree @LittleBearPad

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Gilmorehill · 10/01/2023 22:57

My BIL got married 6 months after my LO and it was awful. It seems like Meghan didn’t have a lot of support. Her dm only arrive a couple of days before the wedding. When I got married, my dm and df arrived three weeks before. Perhaps the lack of family support on M’s side was a problem 🤷‍♂️.

Shelefttheweb · 10/01/2023 22:57

Theheartmustpausetobreathe · 10/01/2023 21:25

I am quite surprised a 3 year old would be upset about the dress
Quite

A wrong fit can be uncomfortable - feel funny round the arms, tight around the back of the neck, maybe scratchy at the seems...

LittleBearPad · 10/01/2023 22:57

smilingthroughgrittedteeth · 10/01/2023 22:54

I have 2 daughters and a son. Son couldnt care less about what hes wearing, one DD has an opinion on what she wants to wear but cant imagine she would be bothered by size/cut/style, other DD is a complete nightmare with clothes and regularly kicks off about something not fitting right. I am with DS and couldnt care less about fashion so no idea where she gets it from.

I think im inclined to believe the issues were Megans friends winding the situation up if the account of the other bridesmaid and her mother upsetting Charlotte are to be believed, I think Catherine had a newborn and was tired, even if she had an army of nannies doing all child care she had still recently given birth, an upset DD and quite rightly couldnt be arsed taking or organising someone to take her for a fitting when she knew the only way to fix it was for new dresses to be made and on top of that she was likely to bump into the bitchy best friend and her daughter. Megan was stressed and they were both snappy. For Harry to keep bringing this up is just ridiculous.

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And Charlotte had a brand new brother. It’s a big deal for a three year old

MaryGubbins · 10/01/2023 22:57

What’s the point in hand stitching? A hem yes but not seams. Why’s it important?

Shelefttheweb · 10/01/2023 22:58

I presume the dodgy hem on Charlotte’s dress was the result of the alterations though? If it had been too big all over then it would have been too long.

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StatisticallyChallenged · 10/01/2023 22:58

LittleBearPad · 10/01/2023 22:55

Stitching! Getting the PVA out wouldn’t have helped.

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To be fair it might have :)

I'd have sacrified hand stitching for a machine happily (but then my hand stitching is not couture!) and I think it is what should have been done. If they were all remade there wouldn't have been a shade issue in terms of them matching, and there'd be no issue finding white or ivory silk in London.

SingingWithSeals · 10/01/2023 23:00

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You're this judgmental about three year olds?

Says much more about you.

MaryGubbins · 10/01/2023 23:00

I think it’s a bit mean to call a then 3 year old a little madam!