To think sexism is behind the hatred of Meghan

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Because Kate is loved for just conforming with a smile and doing what's expected of her, where as Meghan is a strong woman and Harry is expected to man up and put her in her place, which he hasn't contributing to hatred of Harry.
I'm not saying there's not more to it and things have certainly escalated but deeply rooted I feel sexism has played a part.

He married her!!!!

Have a read of these and then come back?

www.boredpanda.com/uk-media-double-standarts-royal-meghan-markle-kate-middleton/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic

Read them yonks ago, but thanks for your links. I don't think anyone on the planet is disputing that nasty stuff was written about her...🙄. I liked her in the beginning and thought she got a rough ride.
I'm talking about now. Appears according to this thread, that anyone who criticises her now for her behaviour and backtracking is automatically racist or misogynistic, which is my point.
Half the stuff that both of them say just doesn't make sense. Too many examples to quote.

😂The very idea that Meghan is a stronger woman than Queen Elizabeth II is utterly UTTERLY farcical. You're taking the piss. You seriously think OUR QUEEN would have been intimidated by someone as insignificant as Meghan freakin' Markle? STOP! My sides are aching!!! 😂😂😂 😂

Who said Meghan was stronger than the queen?
Who's taking the piss out off what?
Who's said the queen would be intimidated by Meghan?
Stop what?
Why are your sides aching?

I think many of the spouses who marry in have a hard time - male and female but the females do tend to have it worse with the press for a longer time.

Compare the treatment of Sarah Ferguson, Diana, Kate, Meghan or Sophie with the treatment of Mark Phillips, Timothy Laurence or Mike Tindall (imagine the headlines if Meghan or Fergie did I'm a Celebrity!),

because it is a job! Don't you conform for your job?

You clearly have forgotten the total hate and vitriol Catherine endured in the early days and when she was dating William. It only alleviated when there was a new girl to hate. It’s misogyny alright on them both, but Meghan certainly hasn’t suffered more than Catherine, she just wasn’t happy suffering and also being a working member of the RF.

You're right.
They hated her way before the latest antics.
Kate did actually get a fair bit of shit for being a 'commoner' years ago.... she's only been able to leave it behind by doing EXACTLY what the perfectly behaved submissive princess should do at ALL times.

Ah just saw your post- I honestly felt like everyone HAD forgotten!

A woman's place is in the wrong.

Nailed it.

No I don’t think so. Imagine if Harry was a woman and married a male equivalent of Megan Markle. I don’t think he would be very popular.

This.

The racist accusation is a tired, tedious, boring insult spewed out by people who have no other argument, who are not terribly bright, and who think it makes them clever and special if they 'out' people as RACIST. most of whom are actually not!

I don't even take any notice of people trotting out this bullshit insult now. They accuse people of being racist often for NOTHING. It has no effect on me and just makes me snort, and roll my eyes, because it's sooooooooo predictable and pathetic. I suspect many others feel the same.

I think the exact opposite! I'm don't know anything about eugenics, Beatrice or whoevers husbands but I'm pretty sure they're not Kate-perfect, more than likely pretty average upper class Joes with all the entitlement that generally entails. But nobody is poring over their every word and move.
Do you really not think women are judged on their behaviour than men, in general? Particularly for not conforming to a 'nice-at-all-times' ideal?

Mmmm. Maybe. But I don’t think Meghan is disliked because she is a woman. I think it’s because of her personality.

Eugenie not eugenics, darmn autocorrect!
I'm not really interested in the RF, but I am interested in misogyny and fascinated when people don't notice it staring them in the face.

They are far removed and no one is interested in them.

You suppose her father and half sister are sexist? Or her ex husband or string of ex friends and acquaintances?

That's what makes me think she is difficult - the trail of broken relationships. Nothing to do with sexism.

Ah. So do you think it’s misogyny in action re Meghan?

Well in that case you will know the negative press she has been getting isn't new, those stories go back 4 or 5 years.... people are looking at H &MM as if this came out of no where, its been brewing for a very long time.... add in what is supposed to have been said about them both and its no surprise he/they have gone nuclear.

I think people very much are forgetting what was written about her... its the essence of what is happening now.

Like the guy who recently went on "I'm a Celebrity" and "The Jump", is an ambassador for a betting site and has been done twice for drunk driving?

No. It's because of her personality, the fact that she has many family members she doesn't speak to, in her family and his, and some friends too, makes it clear she is the problem. That's not sexist.

I don't dislike Meghan. I find her too 'saint like' to be true and her husband is the one that made her that way with his book.

I find it very convenient that Harry found her on her knees in front of his mother's grave/plaque asking for her guidance. That's amazing timing on his part isn't it? All those minutes where he could have come back to see her on her feet or walking away and he pops back just as she's on her knees. Which made him realise what a wonderful person she was...I guess she learned impeccable timing during her time in TV/films. That must be it.

I find it odd that someone can remember a grimace from a woman for asking to borrow lip gloss five years later. But didn't ask 'why the face' at the time - although there seems to have been a lot of stand up arguments and fights happening in the family!

I find it strange that, knowing your brother is not a 'hugger' you don't brief your new girlfriend not to do her usual exuberant hug. Unless H did and M ignored him?

I find it odd that neither Meghan nor Harry 'corrected' the media when they threw the 'are the RF racist' questions at William following the Oprah interview. Yet now, when conveniently neither Meghan or Harry still haven't given the name of the person who 'expressed concern' over the colour of M & H forthcoming baby, it's suddenly an 'unconscious bias'. Not what Oprah thought, nor what Meghan's doe eyed eye rolls implied. Ideal chance to name names in the book or the TV interview - Harry 'reluctantly' gave Camilla's name as the person who tips off the press. Why the silence on the racist?

So I don't dislike her - I find her irritating as I can't work out which is Meghan and which is the act.

I did the comparison hence the conclusion women in RF have it worse for longer.

What I didn't do was decide that the men never have any issues - they have some quite famous ones - but yes it on a much lesser scale.

Like the guy who recently went on "I'm a Celebrity" and "The Jump", is an ambassador for a betting site and has been done twice for drunk driving?

I think he massively benefited from have a media presence. experience and contacts before he started a relationship with a much more minor royal.

Media misogyny is clearly an issue but frankly it's a way wider one than the Royal family. I think the way reporting affects female politicians and leadership campaigns for parties is a massive democratic issue.

I also don't think it is Megan main problem.

Yeah. Sexism. The only possible answer. Funny how the Queen and Princess Anne are female, but they're not hated.

Ah thanks- you have the knowledge I lack! I had a vague memory of one of them being a bit of a plonker but that memory has faded, I guess because it's not shoved in my face all the time like the supposed failings of MM.

Yes Shallot, I do think it's misogyny in action. Even IF (and none of us really have a clue) she's not that nice. If she had the same personality and was male, it wouldn't matter. That means it's misogyny.

I don't hate anyone. Harsh word. But no, any dislike I have for Meghan is nothing to do with sexism. Equally I don't love Kate for conforming with a smile. How patronising!