Anyone else think Kate is coming across as a bit precious and over-sensitive? Baby brain, lip gloss etc.

[SallyWD]

I'll start by saying I know there are 2 sides to every story. Also, I'm not a Megan fan. I have no idea what she's like. She might be awful. I neither like her, nor dislike her. I feel the same way about Kate.

But anyway, in light of the stories that Harry is telling, does anyone else feel that Kate (and William) comes across as rather precious and over sensitive?

First of all there's the baby brain incident. Apparently Kate forgot something or made a mistake and Megan responded by saying "Oh don't worry, it's probably the baby brain". Kate then feels insulted by this remark and says something along the lines of "You don't me well enough to comment on my hormones". William joins in by pointing his finger at Megan and saying "It's rude Megan, we don't do that here." I mean seriously?? I think the baby brain remark was completely benign. I'm sure Megan was trying to reassure Kate not to worry about her mistake. Just after having my baby I paid for my shopping and walked out leaving it in the shop. The cashier had to call me back and I apologised. She also said "Don't worry, it's the baby brain". I wasn't at all offended. I was relieved she understood! I certainly didn't think "How dare a stranger comment on my hormones". The irony of William telling Megan off for rudeness whilst pointing his finger at her. I find it far more rude to point in someone's face than to mention baby brain. If I was Megan and had received that reaction to my innocent remark I would have felt humiliated and very upset.

Then there's the lipgloss incident. Megan asked to borrow Kate's lipgloss. Kate lends it to her then gets upset that she dabs it with her finger. I understand some people don't want to share lip gloss but Kate could have said no. I don't understand what's so upsetting about Megan using her finger? If I lent someone my lip gloss I'd insist they used their finger and not their mouth. Apparently the mouth harbours more germs than your average toilet.

Then there's the report that William and Kate were uncomfortable being hugged by Megan. There are literally hundreds of photos of William and Kate hugging random strangers on the internet! Yet when Megan makes this faux pas it's offensive to them.

It seemed like William and Kate expected to be treated with great formality by Megan - as if she was one of their subjects. It also seems that Megan couldn't do anything right! Megan on the other hand perhaps expected a little more intimacy given that they were her partner's family. It doesn't sound like they did much to make her feel comfortable and welcome in to the family. Does anyone agree/disagree?

It’s what happened in both examples.

Firstly your source is a man who has proven to be somewhat economical with the truth. Someone who himself is extremely sensitive to any kinds of criticism.

Secondly, if that’s the best they can come up with to paint Catherine in a poor light then they’re pathetic people. The things I could say about what my SIL has said and done - but I’d NEVER tell anyone and I still love her all the same, and accept she’s human.

Thirdly, sharing lip gloss is totally rank. Re the baby brain comment - if I forgot something and someone implied that I was being stupid I’d be fucked off. And she’s right - it’s not appropriate to comment on someone’s hormones especially someone who had 3 pregnancies where she was hospitalised. MN is forever telling women to stand up for themselves and assert their boundaries. But when they actually DO they’re called names. We cannot win

Harry easily twists things to make his horrible wife sound like the perpetual victim, but if you think about it, it could have been said in a nasty way.

It wasn't a stranger in a shop who said it to her though, it was someone who Catherine didn't get on with. Someone who she had issues with. I suspect it wasn't the comment itself, more the past between them and a build up of emotions.

Catherine didn't get upset over sharing the lipgloss, she was taken aback, reluctantly passed it to her and grimaced when she used it. You cannot help letting emotions show every now and then and I would feel the same over lipgloss. Clearly Catherine was shocked and didn't know how to say no. She did not, however, make a scene or get upset.

The hug. Harry starts is by saying that his brother does not hug many people and he knew his brother would be uncomfortable with it. When hugging millions of people every year for their job they expect it. They choose to hug these people, I imagine very few lunge are allowed close enough to lunge at them. From the description of this encounter they were not expecting it and it just caught them off guard. I am also not a hugger and expect my body language betrays this is someone I did not know suddenly hugged me. We also do not know what type of hug. We see how tactile Meghan is with Harry, always touching his back and guiding him, so it may have been a lingering keeping-hold of their arms hug or a big squeeze. Either way they felt uncomfortable, yet did not say anything about it and instead stayed polite. Their body language betrayed them.

No I don’t. Kate has done a fine job in all the years she’s been in RF. I didn’t read all your post though as it’s too long.

No I don't at all.

Well, the modern and progressive H & M surely don't expect a modern and progressive RF to support them financially? Wasn't that what Harry had a hissy fit about when he announced he was moving abroad? As a 'modern and progressive' man surely he didn't expect daddy to finance him?

He had a good career in the armed forces and she was a very well earning actress. They can both return to that. That's modern and progressive. The RF only need to be a direct line of succession in 'the firm'. Or, you keep getting paid by daddy and toe the line.

There you go. Modern, progressive and 21st century RF.

Ageism. So new, so progressive. 🙄

Harry easily twists things to make his horrible wife sound like the perpetual victim, but if you think about it, it could have been said in a nasty way.

how do you know she's horrible? you sound like a 12 year old.

I”m beginning to wonder if it’s some sort of government conspiracy to distract us all from the country going to shit.

Well if so it appears to be working. People on MN get FAR more passionate about the latest dull Windsor rumours than they do about the state of this country. Monarchy seems to be the UK's drug of choice.

Not really when its true and its in your face every day to see.

It’s my opinion of the person she’s shown us to be. Moaning about not having it all her way, at times just blatantly lying and slagging off her in laws to billions of people while her elderly GFIL lays dying. If that was my neighbour I’d think she was a dickhead too. Harry is an even bigger dickhead

I disagree entirely OP. It is Meghan who seems overly precious, and also very rude

A progressive, modern monarchy would be very small. I don't think H & M considered that.

Sharing lip gloss is gross, IMO.
However, we only have Harry's version on events. What actually puzzles me, is why this is brought up nearly 5 years later, in his book. And the Baby Brain.
Why is this so importnat to Harry that it is in his book?
I presume the intent was to try and make out that Catherine was cold, formal, compared to Meghan is a hugger, bare feet, relaxed, etc And from the OP's original post, it has clearly worked.
In my view on both counts, Meghan was trying to demonstrate a familiarity with Catherine that did not exist.

Have we only heard one side of the story? There's been a deluge of "Royal sources say..." newspaper articles and puff pieces that paint William and Kate in a very flattering light. Tabloid press coverage of them is overwhelmingly positive, and I don't think it's because the tabloids are excellent judges of character. I'm not really interested in the ins and outs of strangers' personal lives, but Harry's comment that the press has a symbiotic relationship with the palaces is hardly a controversial one - there are staff whose full-time job is royal PR.

I guess I said it because Harry and Megan "feel" about ten years younger than William and Kate. To me at least.

I do wonder why people think they are younger - posters keep having to point out Harry is nearly 40 not a little kid.

I don't think they are more progressive - (putting other woman down by referencing her hormones or how many men she had kids with doesn't come across that way to me) I think they are more LA/Hollywood.

All I can say is in all my 40 years nobody has ever asked to borrow my lipgloss/stick. And I’ve never asked to borrow someone else’s. I would imagine it’s the same for Kate. It’s a weird thing to ask of someone else - like asking to use their toothbrush.

The book should have been called petty gripes about people who said no to me

Whereas Harry and Meghan feel like the younger generation in the workplace who challenge the status quo and look to modernise and progress.

I find that happens a lot in my profession. Brand new teachers come in with shiny new fads thinking they know it all. 5% is useful and gets taken on by colleagues, but 95% is absolute nonsense that doesn't work in our setting and they won't accept that experienced staff know what they're doing (until it all goes tits up and they need help getting back on track). So, yeah, I agree that H&M may have been like the younger ones in my workplace!

Oh boy. I’m not even touching that.

As ever, should say I’m not a royalist. Follow some of the fashion pages, but until H’s reveals coinciding with me having flu and so making fun reading, I don’t really care about them. I never trusted H due to his use of racial slurs though.

So Kate… again, not a royalist, but why are people so mean about her?! Not her job, not her speeches, but tiny slights. I don’t get the hate for her… just because she doesn’t seem to bare all she’s seen as cold (when obviously women should be snuggly bunnies and ever so soft!). Why is she seen as Miss Perfect? Isn’t she just very professional? Like someone at work where they get on with it and you don’t know their personal life? We know very little about her don’t we, really? So how can anyone comment?

The downright meanness that H has gone for Kate, and on… what? Everything!!! Down to the damn lipgloss! And yet nothing of substance? No incident that makes you go “ouch”?

In laws don’t have to be BFFs, you don’t have to embrace someone new in your life (wasn’t Kate also bullied at school, then chased around by the press?). Harry you can’t control the women in your life, they’re not just empty angel figures and they have autonomy. I find it very creepy the complaints he’s made about Kate, on minuscule points… lots of cruel feedback, nothing is good enough for him.

If my brother in law complained about me in the way he has Kate, I’d not bother speaking to him again. Particularly if you were in a family business where said brother in law was such a liability.

I agree too.

They are a bit like the younger generation who only want to do the one cosy tasks they wanna do, even if it means letting the team down, who want to earn a fortune despite very little output, and have a total breakdown of the tiniest thing doesn’t go their way and then call in sick after the smallest bit of constructive criticism

No. Bore off. Now to work out how to hide active topics.

Agreed. Yet Harry is basically saying they could read Kate’s mind based on a facial expression. We have no idea what Kate was thinking or feeling. She could have had something entirely unrelated going through her mind. But if she was annoyed by the request, that’s her prerogative and she would not be alone.

Totally agree