Taliban say Harry killed civilians

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In totally totally unsurprising development.

Taliban says Harry killed civilians

“We checked and found that the days on which Prince Harry is mentioning the killing of 25 mujaheddin, we did not have any casualties in Helmand,” Taliban leader Anas Haqqani told Al Jazeera on Friday. “It is clear that civilians and ordinary people were targeted.”

I can't actually see the full article as behind a paywall but it's not just the posters of MN who think this has caused an increased security risk, it's security experts too.

www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/01/06/concern-mounts-royal-security-duke-sussexs-taliban-claim/

I do think the full transcript gives greater context so thanks for sharing. The selective quotes make the picture seem slightly different. However I still believe that Harry has been foolish and ill advised in his comments, particularly about the number of Taliban killed. I don't know anybody ex military who talks like this.

A PTSD soldier who fought for his country is now rubbish. Right got it. A little bit of human empathy wouldn't go amiss. The actual risk is probably no more or less than if he said nothing. The Taliban 'won' in the end after we ignobly left after decades and left hundreds of locally engaged allies of ours in the lurch with some of them trying to get refugee status in small boats no doubt and Carrie got Boris to save the dogs if I remember correctly. I'll save my outrage for elsewhere. The British establishment reigning down (sic) on a member who dares to try to escape is truly awful to behold.

The press cruelly cherry pick this and blow it up to put his life in danger (presumably, they've been briefed to).

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The underlined part of your post, may I ask by whom?

Apologies if this has already been asked and answered.

A PTSD soldier who fought for his country is now rubbish. Right got it.

oh right any evidence of this, big difference you deliberately ignore because it does not suit your narrative. Harry is using a global platform to spew our his bragging and hatred, to which the Taliban and extremists are using to spread their ideology and hatred of the west.

If you cannot see that or are deliberately are ignoring it your point of view is not worth any ones times honestly. If there are any reprisals Im going to call on you to provide all of us the reason why it's not Harry's fault.

People like you are just as dangerous as he is.

Why are we suddenly supposed to care about the Taliban’s feelings anyway - the real issue here isn't Harry it's our engagements in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan leaving hundreds of thosuands dead and broken countries - he mentioned the killings but not the number back in 2013 to no outrage.

Because Islamic terrorism is an ever present threat, and Harry has just said something that some people of that bent will consider inflammatory. The fact that the UK has had those military engagements makes what he's said more stupid, not less. That is the context that actually matters here, not what else he might have said in the book.

Some of you seem to think that the people involved not being very nice and the UK government having done some objectively bad things are somehow a counter to the criticism of Harry. They're really, really not.

Why of course! It's all about propaganda, propaganda from the Sussexes, Taliban and the BRF played out on SM. Harry is an idiot to offer this opportunity to the Taliban on a plate. He has been protected and managed his whole life and is now in free fall as he has teared the support scaffolding down. With freedom comes responsibility. He's taking none.

Why are we suddenly supposed to care about the Taliban’s feelings anyway
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'he mentioned the killings but not the number back in 2013 to no outrage.'

Aye, he did and most people, including the Taliban took the view he'd been kept well behind the lines playing computer games. He's now, rather stupidly, confirmed he killed 25 people. The Taliban are using it as propoganda, even if they don't retaliate themselves there are plenty of lone wolf nutjobs who would quite happily take it upon themselves to 'avenge' the deaths.

The context shows Harry reflecting on his service. Everyone knows front line service personnel are likely to be involved in killing if they serve in a war zone. What you don't do is confirm it, and even more so, confirm the numbers.

This ^ He’s already concerned about his family’s security, now he’s put them at greater risk.

fought for his country is now rubbish. Right got it.
i don’t remember Iraq or Afghanistan waging a war on British soil , It was Blair and Bush’s war, one big lie they made the world to believe.

the crimes committed by the British and US in Iraq and Afghanistan were atrocious. 70000 innocent civilians died ,

I don’t think he understands that region well tribal Codes are above everything ,

fighters took refugee in civilians villages all the time, how could anyone distinguish them?
they don’t go into battle kitted in camouflage and latest tracking devices , they are usually dressed like civilians.

Aye, he did and most people, including the Taliban took the view he'd been kept well behind the lines playing computer games. He's now, rather stupidly, confirmed he killed 25 people. The Taliban are using it as propoganda, even if they don't retaliate themselves there are plenty of lone wolf nutjobs who would quite happily take it upon themselves to 'avenge' the deaths.

Exactly.

Apparently the former head of the Royal Navy has come out and said there is now a serious terror threat over the Invictus Games.

Imagine Harry now being considered too much of a terror threat to attend?

He’s really fucked himself over

Also former head of royalty protection
has said this

“I haven’t been this concerned for royal security in 25 years when we were worried the provisional IRA was going to attack the royals. This has raised the threat level and I think a strategic review should be carried out to reassess the security of the royals. What he’s said is going to add to the bill for police protection.”

People need to really stop dismissing this as ‘you idiots, who thinks the Taliban are worth believing lolz. Hello. context’

This is a very real issue according to those whose job it is to analyse threat levels.

He’s also said he thinks it’s now necessary for a full review into royal security

The only way it would be ok to include that story about Pat is if he had her full permission first. Otherwise, it's just more of same. A prop for him to use for humour 25 years ago, an anecdote for him to use in his moneymaking activities now. I don't know which category this falls into.

Just reading about Invictus and it reminded me of something - is Netflix still doing a programme about Invictus or was that included in the reality show ? (Didn’t watch it )

I notice from that extract on Yahoo that yet again it's all someone else's fault - in this case the squadron commander who was 'jealous' of PH and his comrades and was exploiting a fear that made him kill. And I find it difficult to believe that that commander had never pulled a trigger on the enemy if he was a squadron commander in Afghanistan.

Whoever said we should be concerned about the Taliban's feelings for God's sake?!

It's clearly as stupid for Harry to dehumanise the Taliban in the way he did as it would be for veterans I know to publicly do the same about the PIRA!

The whole passage doesn't alter that whatsoever. He can pay for his own security after that since he's a private citizen like all other veterans are. Any veteran would be left to it if they attracted the attention of a terrorist group they previously fought against 10 years before and the peelers are ill equipped to help too. Harry should now be treated the same as any other veteran.

He's given the Taliban another piece of anti-Western propaganda they can now use to bolster their numbers or inspire a Lone Wolf. Very stupid since he's not been in their sights for a decade now.

Harry would have been trained in Sun Tzu's Art Of War which speaks a lot about compassion towards the enemy after conflict. Western militaries still follow Art Of War very seriously. Far better than Clausewitz. Harry essentially disregarded hus training on that.

Ugh please don’t spread propaganda for the Taliban. Google them, read about the kind of atrocities they do, then ask yourself if there is any chance they’d 😱 lie

They don't have to lie on this occasion. PH has just handed an absolute gift to Taliban supporters and wannabe amateur lone wolf jihadists.

I think his comments were ill advised. If I were in the military I'd be asking him not to turn up to the Invictus Games ( which I think is a shame as the was the thing I most admired him for )

Sounds like if he was to die some here would cluck and say oh well brought it on himself such is the vicious hatred aimed at him. Justine was right to say the attitudes of some on here are deranged. The BRF have pushed this man to breaking point and beyond the real blame lies with them.

I had always thought previously his role in Afghanistan was token and never imagined that he would have had a 'hot' role that put him in the line of fire. So given that he would have been a huge trophy kill for the Taliban one has to call in the judgement of the army in allowing him to do that. And if the answer is well he was insistent that he should be treated equally and all that then wiser heads should have prevailed to prevent it. It was an issue of national security and morale and the fact that he was the son of the future King should have absolutely been taken into account and he should have been kept for everyone's sake out of harms way. I suspect it was more a case of what a royal wants a royal gets and that's no way to run an army.

The Taliban these days are just intent on pressing their own people and living in the middle ages within their own borders and not fomenting international terrorism. They will make noises and that's all.

Here's a photo of the previous Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in direct talks with them leading to the exit from Afghanistan.

The rumours that Harry was “bunker Harry” I took as planted to lower his risk and protect him and give the impression of a token role. The Taliban at the time seemed to except that to a certain extent and even goaded him with it.