I am genuinely worried for Harry's mental health now after this

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Give it another week of worldwide chewing over his words and all the drama it's creating, I'm genuinely worried for Harry. How can you go anywhere and hold your head up after you've opened yourself to such ridicule? He might want an un-royal life but he is a prince non-the-less. Where's the dignity? He really, really needs help. I sincerely hope it gets it. The fallout from this won't be forgotten in a hurry. And to top it off, how can he make his family truly secure now?

His brother is being raised to be king of England

Only England?

Very good point about his security team.

I’m reading all this thinking that this is starting to form a pattern now. He has been isolated from his family, alienated from his parent. Opened up for humiliation and ridicule. It’s certainly showing some aspects of control behind the scenes of whoever’s driving this.

Mental health problems are very difficult to cure. Having taken several types of drugs for several years, this leaves long-term effects in the brain, and it is very difficult to treat. And even if he thinks he is getting better, it will come back, he will have deeper, painful negative thoughts and all of this will have a negative impact on his life. He has approached problem solving in a negative way,so the consequences will be that way too, which is not good. successful people don't do it that way, they also have coaches and counsellors to make better decisions.

but i wonder how come harry doesn't have better advisors, because financially he could have. here i think he is not capable of such extensive and complex thinking(before we start a certain writing we need to do a lot of research in all fields, with him it doesn't seem to me that he has done it), so maybe he hasn't been so careful with advisors either- or maybe he does some things deliberately like that-but for me personally he has gone about it very wrong anyway ...

@RudsyFarmer well it was no long since, some one had Harry juggling like a clown 🤡 in the background to her video call was it.

My accusation isn’t necessarily that it’s MM by the way. I think she’s extremely damaged herself. They’ll be someone behind both of them driving this juggernaut with dollar signs in their eyes and a complete disregard for anything else. If we knew their inner circle I’m sure it would take a few minutes to work it out.

Harry has become a figure of public ridicule.

I think his marriage is in its end game.
Meg will divorce H and trouser 50% of the book's revenue.

She will not tolerate having a husband who is publicly mocked and pitied and will use this book to justify why she couldn't possibly stay with H.

I don't believe M didn't have prior awareness and control of the book's contents given how meticulously controlling she has shown herself to be of everything else that the couple put out. H was only ever destined to be a stepping stone in Meg's plan.

Harry is having a Britney style public unraveling that will become significantly worse for him. He will never escape the legacy of this book.

It's also deeply creepy that he dedicates a book including the detailed and disrespectful sexual story of his lost virginity to his baby daughter. See also discussion of his and his brothers penises.

The latest I've read is he has stated he was not Williams best man but made to go along with it and look like he was 😳

He talks about William drinking the night before and smelling of alcohol

Just why write about this? It's not his wedding/ his story though imagine the best man thing (based it seems on 2 of Williams friends delivering speeches at the reception) is again about how mean William is to him

It's having a drink the night before/ having different arrangements around the wedding party not that uncommon?

Both these things were true of my DH at our wedding

Maybe a billionaire playwright/TV producer/godparent/landlord? 🤔

I feel sorry for Harry growing up in a dysfunctional family.
It is not a surprise that he has mental health issues. William also appears to have mental health issues which is shown through his angry outbursts.
His own biographer described him as volatile ,short tempered and someone who gets frustrated if there are issues with the family.
I blame the institution for the damage to these two men

This 100%.

His behaviour has been covered up, cleared up , down played by the palace for years. He is unfortunately too dim to realise this, so dim he doesn't know he's dim.

Look at the drugs situation when he was in army- whisked off on 'urgent business' so he didn't have to do a drugs test like the rest of his comrades. No need to face the consequences of his unacceptable behaviour.

This is Harry showing us who he really is - we need to believe him.

MM married him for her own reasons - which I am thinking are playing out perfectly for her.

His family are very likely to have known how this was going to play out and no surprise they've kept him at arms length. They will not be surprised, disappointed maybe.

After yesterday I am wondering if he has frontal lobe dementia or something that will diagnosed in eighteen months and everyone will realise that in fact he was being exploited not listened to.

If he's well, he is unbelievably stupid.

For someone who wanted ‘the right people’ around the Queen, Harry has not ensured he has the right people around him. If his wife doesn’t put a stop to this and just blithely carries on with business as usual then she clearly does not have his best interests at heart. Part of her job as his wife is to be there in sickness and health (not just wealth). I have no doubt she has encouraged and picked at the scab that is his childhood trauma and we are witnessing that scab’s subsequent infection. I laugh at the memes because they are very funny and clever but this man is not well. He needs an intervention.

Carrying around hurt, bitterness, anger, jealousy, sadness etc for decades, wont do anything good for his physical health either.

Just read this. @Funkyblues101 has it spot on!

Who actually gives a fuck, they're strangers.

As a PP said. I wonder if he has always been like this but now he is away from the establishment, they can't cover and obfuscate his piss poor and brattish behaviour?

Maybe that's why William wanted him to drop MM, He could probably see that she would enable his behaviour rather than tell him to get a grip and/or worse, take him away from the fold where he will give full rein to his flights of fantasy and strangeness.

It's like he has all the brattish petulant behaviour of all the others but magnified. Neither of them seem to be able to bear the fact that they are of little consequence.

How ridiculous to dispute something which has so many witnesses. I remember him making fun of his brother cooing down the phone to Kate in his speech. He’s twisting and making up things. As for PW smelling of alcohol, PH was a bloody mess at the wedding. He looked like he’d barely slept. My dm contrasted his appearance to James Middleton, and said PW was the one marrying into the better family.

It's not misogyny or infantilizing. Adults can abuse and manipulate other adults. I 100% think it looks like MM is behind this and exploiting H for $

It's deeply concerning. I'm sure this is taking its toll on William too, this is a huge betrayal from his only brother. He has so much responsibility on his shoulders as well as his own childhood trauma of losing his mum. I really hope him and Kate are ok.

Mental illness is a known trait in the RF he is being steered deeper and deeper towards a breakdown by MM I’m sure, if the Taliban don’t get him first.

My dh had an interesting perspective, that whilst we are horrified and worrying about his mental health, if it had been written to hit the trump supporting US market, are they having the same reactions as us?

@lampzade - you keep saying this 'dysfunctional family' - what's the definition? Parents with relationship problems? Parents putting work before family, parents absent through work? Affairs?

Because all that sounds like my family!

I am sure you mean servants, castles etc which I get but it's not weird to them is it? It's actually their normal. So what has made Harry as he is? The castles or the death of his mum do you think?

Because the latter as my initial comments show, are not the purview only of the royal family

Would you also if you were discussing say Zara constantly attribute everything to her dysfunctional family? It's the same family after all no?

Also lazy and bizarre to equate their family dynamics with ability to do their job or should we not all be judged by this? Can someone be a teacher or nurse if they come from a dysfunctional family?

As far as I can see all his mental health problems come from him being part of the RF. He had these mental health issues way before Meghan came onto the scene.
It is the treatment by the institution that has steered him towards a breakdown.
Blaming MM is just lazy

One thing is clear, the BRF keeps being the best global soap/reality program there is.

They've mastered the word "dysfunction" in dysfunctional families. They have it all...

Aristocratic young virgin and beautiful girl marrying a prince

Prince is still humpy humpy his mistress

The mistress is married to a man the Prince's sister had fun with

The princess develops bulimia and can't stand the prince.

The prince's brother marries a woman who will get her toes sucked by her lover while still married.

The prince want's to be a tampon up in the vajajay of her lover (today's Queen)

The princess dies in car crash with a hundred journos in pursuit of a story.

The two young sons of the princess are made to walk after their mother's coffin for the world to display and the yellow press in England to enjoy.

The prince marries his lover and says she'll never be queen.

The sons of the prince are adorable, love each other and their father to pieces. They also love their step-mother.

The prince's brother is accused of engaging in sex with trafficked minors. The same brother who, years earlier with his ex-wife, was filmed selling access to the royal family, but nothing was investigated.

The prince let everyone know that his wife will be consort Queen. Yes, he accepts he said the opposite, but he needs her and it's the right thing to do.

The press give us all the "Fav 4" . They are the best, so wonderful and they all love each other so much.

And then....well....we know what's happening now.

All this could be a comedy, except it isn't. Charles is not just King but the Head of State and while all this crap is going on, there are too many questions that the UK is not investigating about their royals. They are not investigating the revelations of Pandora and the money the BRF has in offshore accounts, they are not investigating gifts or access to the family for money or their influence in politicians. Apparently these are minor points, so let's keep enjoying their reality show. Not even the Kardashians compare.