Page 24 | I am genuinely worried for Harry's mental health now after this

Squabbledee · 2023-01-06T23:04:52+00:00

Give it another week of worldwide chewing over his words and all the drama it's creating, I'm genuinely worried for Harry. How can you go anywhere and hold your head up after you've opened yourself to such ridicule? He might want an un-royal life but he is a prince non-the-less. Where's the dignity? He really, really needs help. I sincerely hope it gets it. The fallout from this won't be forgotten in a hurry. And to top it off, how can he make his family truly secure now?

durhamduck · 08/01/2023 10:59

AutumnCrow · 08/01/2023 09:27

The successful ghost writer Mark McCrum (who ghost wrote a previous book chapter for Harry for ‘Walking with the Wounded’ and managed to leave his frost-bitten penis out of it) has a short article in today’s Telegraph.

He thinks Moehringer should have left out the ‘killed 25 Taliban’ passage. I agree.

Moehringer’s fee was reportedly $5 million, btw. I wonder if, like McCrum, he might share some recollections or if he’s NDAed in perpetuity?

Based on his Twitter like I think he's unhappy about what he was made to put in the book

Itsnottime · 08/01/2023 11:01

What does he say about it? I’m not on Twitter.

IcedPurple · 08/01/2023 11:03

AutumnCrow · 08/01/2023 09:27

The successful ghost writer Mark McCrum (who ghost wrote a previous book chapter for Harry for ‘Walking with the Wounded’ and managed to leave his frost-bitten penis out of it) has a short article in today’s Telegraph.

He thinks Moehringer should have left out the ‘killed 25 Taliban’ passage. I agree.

Moehringer’s fee was reportedly $5 million, btw. I wonder if, like McCrum, he might share some recollections or if he’s NDAed in perpetuity?

I can't say I know how these things work, but surely Harry gets the final say, not Moehringer? Harry is the legal author of the book, even if he didn't actually write it, so I'm not sure you can blame Moehringer for this.

What surprises me more is that that the military comments passed the publisher's legal checks. I don't think they would have had this been a British publisher.

Itsnottime · 08/01/2023 11:06

Inkpotlover · 08/01/2023 09:20

I think this too. Normally you'd get a couple of trusted beta readers to look over it and they'd question the most contentious bits, but that clearly didn't happen. And the lawyers must've had a field day signing it off because they knew the Royals would never sue and Harry could write what he wanted and there'd be no official comeback.

What I want to know, though, is what happened to all the racism allegations? During Oprah, it underpinned everything – it was partly why they fled abroad, to escape the racist press and public, why she struggled to function within the RF, the basis of slurs about their unborn child. Yet there appears to be nothing or very little in the book. I find that baffling.

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That’s a good point.

durhamduck · 08/01/2023 11:07

Andrew Neil tweeted: "Harry’s claim that he killed 25 Taliban is a nightmare — an absolute nightmare — for his security teams.

"How stupid can you be?"

Another user named Louise Puddicombe replied to the Tweet and said: "It is all me me me."

ghostwriter liked (as in clicked like on) the reply

Florissant · 08/01/2023 11:11

What I want to know, though, is what happened to all the racism allegations? During Oprah, it underpinned everything – it was partly why they fled abroad, to escape the racist press and public, why she struggled to function within the RF, the basis of slurs about their unborn child. Yet there appears to be nothing or very little in the book. I find that baffling.

Meghan is saving that for her book, which will be the second in the four-book deal. IIRC, the third book will be about their lives since leaving the RF and the fourth will be a book on parenting.

TattieBogle12 · 08/01/2023 11:12

i am unlikely to take parenting advice from these two if I’m honest 😕

IcedPurple · 08/01/2023 11:22

Florissant · 08/01/2023 11:11

What I want to know, though, is what happened to all the racism allegations? During Oprah, it underpinned everything – it was partly why they fled abroad, to escape the racist press and public, why she struggled to function within the RF, the basis of slurs about their unborn child. Yet there appears to be nothing or very little in the book. I find that baffling.

Meghan is saving that for her book, which will be the second in the four-book deal. IIRC, the third book will be about their lives since leaving the RF and the fourth will be a book on parenting.

What about The Bench (where life began)?

maranella · 08/01/2023 11:24

strugglin101 · 07/01/2023 22:13

That $150m will never be able to buy them the adoration that they are desperately seeking, nor repair two broken families.

I suspect once this little rollecoaster of drama dies down they'll have each other, and somehow I suspect that won't be enough.

A happy loving couple would have bowed out and got on with life.

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Agreed. Isn't the best revenge a well-lived and happy life? Something they could easily have had, without all this nastiness, vengeful muck-raking and tawdry revelations.

I'd love to hear William's 'truth', all the stories that Harry's family and friends have about him, how impossible he is, how difficult it's been this past 38 years to keep the really bad stuff out of the press, because by all accounts Harry has dished the dirt on everyone else in his nasty little book, but left out all the really bad stuff about himself. Of course he has, because this is a PR exercise for him - trying to win the public over (mainly the US public, it has to be said, I'm sure he knew that much of it would go down like a bucket of cold sick in the UK, but he doesn't care - he burned his boats here long ago).

maranella · 08/01/2023 11:32

I agree with this, but I though the whole thing was supposed to be ghost written? It doesn’t come across that way.

No idea about this, but remember that this ghost-written memoir of posh English bloke Harry was written by an American ghost-writer and Americans speak and write English quite differently. I read somewhere yesterday that the book had to be edited to make it sound more British and therefore more 'Harry', as in its original iteration it sounded too American.

Sugarfree23 · 08/01/2023 11:44

@MoscowMules
He sounds an absolute star, I'm glad he made it home for the birth, sorry for your loss.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/01/2023 12:05

Harry is the legal author of the book, even if he didn't actually write it, so I'm not sure you can blame Moehringer for this

Again with the caveat that we've not seen the whole thing in English yet, Moehringer's unlikely to have written things he hasn't been told, so since much of it can only have come from Harry there seems little sense in blaming the writer - though no doubt the more unbalanced fans will try

I suppose it could be claimed he's made it all up, but then how would that work with Harry doing the narration himself?

Inkpotlover · 08/01/2023 13:46

Florissant · 08/01/2023 11:11

What I want to know, though, is what happened to all the racism allegations? During Oprah, it underpinned everything – it was partly why they fled abroad, to escape the racist press and public, why she struggled to function within the RF, the basis of slurs about their unborn child. Yet there appears to be nothing or very little in the book. I find that baffling.

Meghan is saving that for her book, which will be the second in the four-book deal. IIRC, the third book will be about their lives since leaving the RF and the fourth will be a book on parenting.

Oh god, spare us from any more of this 'woe is us' narrative!

I do wonder if the backlash might make them rethink what comes next. Even commentators in the States who've previously defended them are saying H's book goes too far.

TheWeeDonkeyFella · 08/01/2023 15:39

Florissant · 08/01/2023 11:11

What I want to know, though, is what happened to all the racism allegations? During Oprah, it underpinned everything – it was partly why they fled abroad, to escape the racist press and public, why she struggled to function within the RF, the basis of slurs about their unborn child. Yet there appears to be nothing or very little in the book. I find that baffling.

Meghan is saving that for her book, which will be the second in the four-book deal. IIRC, the third book will be about their lives since leaving the RF and the fourth will be a book on parenting.

I agree, more salacious stuff will be in future books and/or interviews. It wouldn't all be in book one as he wont sell all the 'secrets' in one go.

cavalier · 08/01/2023 22:26

He’s a loose cannon for sure 🤦🏻‍♀️
I don’t know what the answer is to this mess

WorriedWarrier · 09/01/2023 00:49

cavalier · 08/01/2023 22:26

He’s a loose cannon for sure 🤦🏻‍♀️
I don’t know what the answer is to this mess

Helicopter accident no doubt

Cariadz · 09/01/2023 01:42

Jean67 · 07/01/2023 17:09

When they announced they were leaving royal duties his statement said that as an IPP he would continue to have security. It was one of the things people objected to. He just assumed he'd be able to be keep it.

Yes. You can tell the whole thing wasn’t thought about properly at all. Either that or he really didn’t understand that what Harry wants Harry gets was something that only existed in his head.

eglantine7 · 09/01/2023 12:23

Wish this would disappear from the news. Fat chance. 20000 Iranians have been arrested for protesting for basic human rights since September and executions are under way by this terrorist regime. People should be caring about these things, but this shit.

Rollingaroundinmud · 09/01/2023 12:31

eglantine7 · 09/01/2023 12:23

Wish this would disappear from the news. Fat chance. 20000 Iranians have been arrested for protesting for basic human rights since September and executions are under way by this terrorist regime. People should be caring about these things, but this shit.

Exactly

Lockupyourbiscuits · 09/01/2023 12:57

Some bits that stuck out to me was how he felt he could tag along with William and be his best friend
he felt slighted at school
kate got in the way
i think he really thought I’m in again when he got with Meghan - but William loves him but doesn’t want to be his best friend - he’s his brother

would u want uncle weed smoker who drinks a lot hanging round your family?

Harry is the irritating jester maybe William was tired of being stuck with him
did Harry have close friends - if so why does William have to be it ??

MsBucket · 12/01/2023 21:56

BreadInCaptivity · 07/01/2023 01:59

To be honest the parallel I see is more with Andrew (no, I'm not remotely suggesting H has behaved as badly before anyone wants to go there).

Specifically the lack of intellectual insight and self reflection.

After the Maitlis interview she is on record as being shocked at how well A professed it had all gone, despite her being very aware it was for him, a PR disaster.

In that fashion I can't understand how H must have read drafts of this book and also lacked similar insight (and more bafflingly M also who is far more PR savvy - did she even see it? Who knows?)

It speaks of a serious disconnect from real world opinion/life experiences and not a MH issue.

Both of them (A and H) have talked about issues that demonstrate their lack of understanding and empathy for the lives of the majority of the population.

A talking about being a decent person and ending his relationship with Epstein face to face and H talking about people he killed being "chess pieces" is one of many examples.

One lesson I think the RF need to learn pretty quickly is to better prepare the siblings of the future monarch to live their own lives and stop cosseting them to the point of a level of indulgence that turns them into self indulgent time bombs.

Harry said that? 😮 You’re quite right about the “spares” to the heir. It’s like being told from birth that you aren’t as important and that you cannot overshadow the heir. That can definitely cause issues for some people especially if you have low self-esteem etc. And then all of a sudden, you’re no longer the “spare” because the heir has more heirs and the level of self-importance dwindles the further you get from the succession line. For someone who is more secure and more well-adjusted, this might be ok. You’d see it as an opportunity for less scrutiny and pressure so that you can pursue your passion projects and highlight issues that you want to focus on without the high levels of expectations. But growing up in dysfunctional surroundings might make it difficult to have a strong sense of self-worth.

rumship · 12/01/2023 22:01

IcedPurple · 08/01/2023 11:22

What about The Bench (where life began)?

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Soon to be followed up by "The Bench 2 , Ex-Husband Haz the wino sleeping on a park bench" 🤣

RedToothBrush · 12/01/2023 22:03

I'd agree about the comparison with Andrew. I'd noted it too. He doesn't see others as being equal and he sees himself as entitled to the very best. The Taliban comments and then subsequent defence ooze with it.

JudgeJ · 12/01/2023 22:11

MintyFreshOne · 07/01/2023 18:14

Edward and Anne manage to live lovely lives by the looks of it

Reading between the lines in the tabloids, I think Edward is seething about not being made Duke of Edinburgh after their parents died; it was apparently the Queen’s wishes but Charles won’t do it for whatever reason.

It’s incredibly toxic and only money and status will keep them sweet.

One wishes Princess Anne was made Queen instead. She was the best suited for it

Yet Anne too was 'the spare' for a while before being pushed down by the births of Andrew and Edward then subsequently by their families. Do we hear her whining though? The late Queen Mother apparently more or less ignored her because all she was bothered about was Charles, the Heir.

Geometricaesthetic · 13/01/2023 01:49

He may well have some mental health issues - one in four of us do after all - but I think he will be far better away from the monarchy than within. He’ll have a lot more freedom and autonomy in the USA and who wants to live in a toxic environment where the staff of your father or brother are briefing against you and get to determine the scope of your job and income? That’s a breakdown waiting to happen right there.

I think he’s laid it all out there so there is nothing anyone can hold over him any more and he can go on his merry way and I don’t blame him tbh. It’s very sad about the family breakdown but sometimes it’s necessary to put your wife and dc first.

I hope he will now settle down, invest his income from the book sensibly, and focus on one or two purposeful projects.