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I am genuinely worried for Harry's mental health now after this

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Squabbledee · 06/01/2023 23:04

Give it another week of worldwide chewing over his words and all the drama it's creating, I'm genuinely worried for Harry. How can you go anywhere and hold your head up after you've opened yourself to such ridicule? He might want an un-royal life but he is a prince non-the-less. Where's the dignity? He really, really needs help. I sincerely hope it gets it. The fallout from this won't be forgotten in a hurry. And to top it off, how can he make his family truly secure now?

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Jean67 · 07/01/2023 19:34

Swissmountains what has Edward done?

MintyFreshOne · 07/01/2023 19:43

Swissmountains · 07/01/2023 19:25

And Edward has hardly endeared himself recently….

Should one have to endear themselves to their older brother for their entire life? It’s just … sad.

Bluebelleggs · 07/01/2023 19:47

RedToothBrush · 07/01/2023 18:52

Quick point. The media is and always has been about, in no small measure, about holding the elite and power to account. That has been since it's inception about bridging the gap between the public through the media. The media can influence the public to a degree but the public won't buy / engage with content which isn't reflective of how they feel either. It has changed with social media, by largely cutting out the middle man. That's what memes are about. A continuation of the ridicule of the excess and indulgent behaviour of the elite.

In this particular case, Harry knows this and is trying to play a game of engaging with the public for his own benefit. His position means he is far from naive about any of this. He has learnt from an early age about it. PR and how it works is the bread and butter of the Royals. He thinks he can make his own future from taking control of this himself. For his own financial benefit and for the political benefit of his family. His political benefit is 'getting his side of the story across' to try and change the family to suit his own beliefs and to shape the future of the Royals. You will note everything he says is still relational to the family, and none of it about forging an independent path away from the family. The irony here, is Harry's value diminishes if he no longer has his title and he is nothing if he's not a Royal. (And the interesting thing here is the Queen didn't remove his title and the King hasn't removed him from being one of the Royals responsible in his absence even though he's no longer a working Royal and he hasn't removed his title and I suspect that won't change in the immediate aftermath either).

Harry is trying to work the public here. This isn't stuff the media has papped or dug up from somewhere to embarrass Harry. His book and TV series is a premeditated, deliberate and concerted effort for further sympathy for Harry. And thus the public are actively INVITED by Harry himself, to give a positive or negative review to this.

To frame the public giving a firm thumbs down on a business move and as 'bullying' is utter bullshit which fails to recognise and acknowledge the business that Harry is in. The PR and marketing business. That's the Royals family business.

All Harry is doing is demonstrating with the book is he is failing to connect with the public, which he had done successfully for considerable time. He isn't understanding the business he's in. The oversharing and selling his own privacy and the privacy of others is backfiring.

It's not just dragging his family into it. It's dragging people like the woman who he lost his virginity into it. People like the military. People who have been loyal to him and HAVEN'T sold their stories to the press. When perhaps the money and the fame might hold much more benefit to their lifestyle than it ever will to Harry.

The public book review is memes. It doesn't have to sophicasted.

His book is a commercial venture. It is not bullying to say 'what a crock of shite' via a meme as a member of the public he's trying to win and get support from to further his personal goals.

It's an embarrassing lesson on why you should take good advice from people who not only have your interests at heart, not just their own.

The mental health stuff is just bollocks PR to spin how badly the launch is going imho. Its a damage limitation exercise by people who dislike the Royals and are realising that Harry has fucked his own agenda. (I'm not sure many actually really give a shit about Harry himself tbh).

For me, whether he doubles down or backtracks going on about wanting a reconciliation in interviews this week will be interesting.

Ultimately, if this was about Harry wanting to get his story 'out there' as much as possible, he could have done it without attaching a price tag to it. He's has because this is about maintaining his lifestyle and status first and foremost. The rest is secondary to that. He wants to remain elite and famous. He doesn't want to avoid the media eye and the comments of the public. He wants the public on his side...

Wise up. Harry has a chip on his shoulder and wants to punish his family and wants to get one over on them. The gamble isn't working because he doesn't get that he can't complain to the same public he's hard done by

Pulp's Common People describes the sentiment Harry is coming out with well here...

'Bullying' na. It's the public reply to his propaganda appeal to them by pointing out that he'll never see roaches climb the wall. And holding him to account by saying 'jog on rich boy, get with the programme and stop being a bellend about this. We get ya, you don't get on with your family and feel hard done by. Just like millions of others. Grow up and get the fuck on with it rather than whining like a baby about it and realise all the wonderful things in your life you DO have'.

This is completely separate to whether you like the Royals or not and think they have a place going forward. And it's completely separate to anything to do with Meghan. This is his story. His book. Time for him to take responsibility for his own misjudged commercial move. Or live with it.

Meme on. Satire has always been about power and accountability and responsibility taking. The public in this particular dynamic are exercising their response as requested. It's may or may not be the response Harry likes but it's what he INVITED. Harry doesn't get to escape book reviews cos he's royal even if he's got a dodgy therapist.

If a car crash does happen, then I don't think there was an alternative anyway. He's got to make better decisions one way or another. And sometimes if you are mentally ill, you can't do that until you crash and burn regardless of how bloody awful that might be. He's certainly not sectionable so he retains that capacity to make decisions for himself and himself alone. Even bad ones. He has the right to make bad decisions...

Great post 👍. For me there was a disconnect between what he was saying and what I was observing from that very first message he put out about the media attacking his girlfriend. I didn’t even know he had a girlfriend and it stood out as such a departure from his previous behaviour.

Bluebelleggs · 07/01/2023 19:48

MintyFreshOne · 07/01/2023 19:43

Should one have to endear themselves to their older brother for their entire life? It’s just … sad.

It isn’t what I would choose but it happens in a lot of families that have a family business. There is always an option to leave the family business and have your own separate career.

ThesefoolishthingsWallace · 07/01/2023 20:00

It was never going to work, they are worlds apart.

JemimaTiggywinkles · 07/01/2023 20:14

Should one have to endear themselves to their older brother for their entire life? It’s just … sad.

Anyone who wishes to remain in the Royal Family has to acknowledge at least two things:

  • Monarchy is entirely based on hierarchy. Complaining about not being top dog whilst keeping your place in line of succession, and your titles, and your free home is ridiculous.
  • You have to endear yourself to the public. Monarchies fall when the public don’t want them any more. If you aren’t liked you’ll be pushed to the back and (in extreme cases) told to step down. (But at least we no longer murder unpopular princes.)
It isn’t how I’d want to live. But those who stay in the family, or marry in, have to know they’re choosing that way of life.
ThesefoolishthingsWallace · 07/01/2023 20:23

Surely this kind of behaviour can't go on indefinitely, who could permanantly live like this.

I suppose the Kardashians live with this constant exposure but they at least have periods of calm don't they, H & M's entire existance seems to revolve arround revenge.

There's nothing new about satirical media, George 4th had some shocking imagery posted about him, it seems to be water off a ducks back but usually it is rumours and suposition. Whereby in this case is it Harry shinning at light on the normality, the banal and the petty of human existance. Royalty has never wanted people to think they are normal, so as far as the monarchy being under threat, I think yes there are certain times where the curtain of invincibility is weaker.

One of the problems is there are too many males in the RF, I think the queen understood this and why she changed the rules about female and first in line.
I think people are worried about H, whether this ammount of negative press could send him over the edge, who knows but he has been brought up to ignor the comments of the common people, whereby Megan, where she's found the ability to be unnafected by the pressures of society and the royals for that matter is beyond me.

There seems to be no constraints to her, she's fearless and unapologising a very strong character, no wonder Harry is in awe of her she seems invincible and completely oblivious to normal retraints.

Florissant · 07/01/2023 20:26

spanieleyes · 07/01/2023 13:00

I am confused by the juxtaposition of " she was hated as everyone was racist against her" and " she was more popular than the rest of the royal family"

That's an insightful comment. I hadn't thought about it that way.

Hepzibar · 07/01/2023 20:27

Good post @RedToothBrush

MintyFreshOne · 07/01/2023 20:41

JemimaTiggywinkles · 07/01/2023 20:14

Should one have to endear themselves to their older brother for their entire life? It’s just … sad.

Anyone who wishes to remain in the Royal Family has to acknowledge at least two things:

  • Monarchy is entirely based on hierarchy. Complaining about not being top dog whilst keeping your place in line of succession, and your titles, and your free home is ridiculous.
  • You have to endear yourself to the public. Monarchies fall when the public don’t want them any more. If you aren’t liked you’ll be pushed to the back and (in extreme cases) told to step down. (But at least we no longer murder unpopular princes.)
It isn’t how I’d want to live. But those who stay in the family, or marry in, have to know they’re choosing that way of life.

This dynamic repeats itself every generation. You’d think PW would recognise that this will probably happen to his kids too.

Re: Prince Edward is reasonably liked by the public (well not actively disliked) so the only reason he’s not made DOE is that it’s not within his vision of a slimmed monarchy, the Queen’s wishes be damned

Swissmountains · 07/01/2023 20:55

MintyFreshOne · 07/01/2023 20:41

This dynamic repeats itself every generation. You’d think PW would recognise that this will probably happen to his kids too.

Re: Prince Edward is reasonably liked by the public (well not actively disliked) so the only reason he’s not made DOE is that it’s not within his vision of a slimmed monarchy, the Queen’s wishes be damned

There might be another (very valid) reason

America12 · 07/01/2023 21:43

Agreed @Squabbledee

strugglin101 · 07/01/2023 22:05

Luredbyapomegranate · 07/01/2023 14:15

Give over

Harry inherited half his mother’s fortune, and chunk from his great granny and got plenty of financial support from his Dad (until he buggered off).

He doesn’t get the number one spot but he gets a lot more freedom to follow his interests. He could have set up any charity he wanted, got any amount of publicity for it, while living a very nice life with far less paperwork and meetings than his brother.

Of course he might feel a bit jealous, but he should also be able to see his advantages and manage that.

Seems that some people on here haven't even been dealt some bad cards or something? As far as bad cards go, it's actually a trump card compared to the other 99.99% of the population.

Imagine Monarchs complaining about the difficult hand they've been dealt because they have a lot of responsibility and rules and their life is never truly theirs?

People struggling to feed themselves all over but being a 'Spare' RF member, we're supposed to feel sorry for them?

There's a reason never complain never explain is applicable to RF members!

strugglin101 · 07/01/2023 22:13

MarshaMelrose · 07/01/2023 13:30

It is not enough to say I have suffered, and will bring my family, your family and our kids down with me. It is grossly unfair to have left his family - who are young children - they will be left to deal with the fall out of this. Do they deserve to be have their childhoods shattered?
Of course not.

Lets get some perspective. It's a book most people won't have read or ever will read. He sounds,a bit hippy dippy, singing with seals but his kids already know that. A few embarrassing details about his todger aren't going to destroy their life...behind that $150m wall.

That $150m will never be able to buy them the adoration that they are desperately seeking, nor repair two broken families.

I suspect once this little rollecoaster of drama dies down they'll have each other, and somehow I suspect that won't be enough.

A happy loving couple would have bowed out and got on with life.

strugglin101 · 07/01/2023 22:21

trampoline123 · 07/01/2023 11:05

I thought the same. Something else must be going on for H&M to keep on with this.

It's really sad actually.

Yeah, there's nothing else that actually defines their relationship apart from all this drama. Look at William and Kate, just getting on with it!

JemimaTiggywinkles · 07/01/2023 22:24

Prince Edward is reasonably liked by the public (well not actively disliked) so the only reason he’s not made DOE is that it’s not within his vision of a slimmed monarchy, the Queen’s wishes be damned

I think Charles is making a sensible decision though - a slimmed down monarchy is more likely to survive than a bloated one. It’s the way he (Charles) thinks he can keep the monarchy going. Long term popularity is all that matters really.

snowtrees · 07/01/2023 23:23

2bazookas · 07/01/2023 14:15

MN has seen this countless times.

Coercive control, in which a manipulative person identifies a vulnerable target, love bombs them, isolates them from their previous life, family, job, friends, income; drains the money, psychologically destroys them, dumps them, and moves on to the next.

Truely frightening but can see the parallels.

eglantine7 · 07/01/2023 23:33

So, is it true that he tried to pull the plug on the book being published after the Queen passed away but it was too late? If so, that's terribly sad.

RedToothBrush · 08/01/2023 00:31

eglantine7 · 07/01/2023 23:33

So, is it true that he tried to pull the plug on the book being published after the Queen passed away but it was too late? If so, that's terribly sad.

He tried so hard to pull the book after the Queen died, he added a bunch of stuff about how he had a big argument with his dad about Meghan not being invited to Scotland and how he missed seeing the Queen before she died (just like the rest of the family who weren't already in Scotland).

That hard?

Yes it's really sad, but I think it's fair to say he didn't try and pull the book.

lollipoprainbow · 08/01/2023 00:59

@RedToothBrush will you be copying and pasting your post on all the harry threads ??

RedToothBrush · 08/01/2023 01:02

No.

It should be though.

JamSandle · 08/01/2023 01:50

snowtrees · 07/01/2023 23:23

Truely frightening but can see the parallels.

I definitely get shades of this from there relationship.

I initially felt something 'off' about Meghan then really warmed to her after watching the documentary. But there's still something in my gut that ding ding dings about her.

TrishM80 · 08/01/2023 02:01

I think it's clear the chap is mentally unwell.

WorriedWarrier · 08/01/2023 02:04

JamSandle · 08/01/2023 01:50

I definitely get shades of this from there relationship.

I initially felt something 'off' about Meghan then really warmed to her after watching the documentary. But there's still something in my gut that ding ding dings about her.

Plenty On YouTube shorts about how she looks at him

SnowlayRoundabout · 08/01/2023 02:16

Swissmountains · 07/01/2023 19:25

And Edward has hardly endeared himself recently….

Hasn't he? I thought he and Princess Anne were quite in favour for basically getting their heads down and getting on with all the boring tasks involved in being Royal.

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