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I am genuinely worried for Harry's mental health now after this

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Squabbledee · 06/01/2023 23:04

Give it another week of worldwide chewing over his words and all the drama it's creating, I'm genuinely worried for Harry. How can you go anywhere and hold your head up after you've opened yourself to such ridicule? He might want an un-royal life but he is a prince non-the-less. Where's the dignity? He really, really needs help. I sincerely hope it gets it. The fallout from this won't be forgotten in a hurry. And to top it off, how can he make his family truly secure now?

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oakleaffy · 07/01/2023 15:26

Tulipomania · 07/01/2023 12:19

The derogatory way she ridiculed meeting the Queen for the first time during the documentary lost her my respect entirely.

I watched it and thought she wasn't being derogatory but self-deprecating. Funny how recollections may vary.

That smirking insolent “ Curtsey” was disrespectful- Look at the expression on Harry’s face.
Harry has bad people around him out for their own ends, as an injured Serviceman said yesterday .

A Military Forum says much the same thing.

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WorriedWarrier · 07/01/2023 15:28

oakleaffy · 07/01/2023 15:26

That smirking insolent “ Curtsey” was disrespectful- Look at the expression on Harry’s face.
Harry has bad people around him out for their own ends, as an injured Serviceman said yesterday .

A Military Forum says much the same thing.

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Yet Meghan allowed it to air?

sunnyminds76 · 07/01/2023 15:37

What a sad, sad mess.

I believe:

  • Meghan fell in love with PH (tbh, Harry looks quite similar to her ex; maybe, like a lot of us, 'she has a type') and 'the fairytale' that tbh probably a lot of girls/women might harbour.
  • I'd like to believe she wanted to embrace the RF but being very naive (not sure why, because she seems intelligent) in how much control of her own time she would have, but of course, that's not how it works.
  • I DON'T for a minute believe Harry was all perfectly happy before MM came along, but I do feel they're both wounded souls and that they've formed a 2-person bubble 'us v them'. Not healthy.
  • Instead of trying to choose different action to tragic Diana's life (and, btw, I would hazard a guess she was a senstive/anxious/depressive type child/teen too - she certainly was not mentally stable or 'the perfect mother'), they seem to want to emulate it.
  • Harry was probably a child with anxiety issues, maybe born 'a sensitve' child, quick to anger due to internal stress.
  • Harry displays much of what psychologists would term an 'internal locus of control', i.e. the tendency to see that his fate is due to things outside himself (situations, people) rather than his own actions. This type of behaviour is strongly correlated with depressive tendencies.
  • Not minimising what PH went through as a child, but depressive people or those suffering from depressive, can often have a clouded view of actual situation, very much a 'glass half-full' and can hold resentment until they get better and can see more clearly.
  • Quick to temper, I wonder whether PH has impulse control/ADHD type issues too.
  • So he might read a situation of what someone has said/done and would go 'right, f-ck them, and might blurt something out (and tell the ghostwriter)' but might regret his actions after.
  • No one, whether a celebrity, RF or a 'normal' person should wash their dirty linen in public.
  • They need the money.
lollipoprainbow · 07/01/2023 15:39

sunnyminds76 · 07/01/2023 15:37

What a sad, sad mess.

I believe:

  • Meghan fell in love with PH (tbh, Harry looks quite similar to her ex; maybe, like a lot of us, 'she has a type') and 'the fairytale' that tbh probably a lot of girls/women might harbour.
  • I'd like to believe she wanted to embrace the RF but being very naive (not sure why, because she seems intelligent) in how much control of her own time she would have, but of course, that's not how it works.
  • I DON'T for a minute believe Harry was all perfectly happy before MM came along, but I do feel they're both wounded souls and that they've formed a 2-person bubble 'us v them'. Not healthy.
  • Instead of trying to choose different action to tragic Diana's life (and, btw, I would hazard a guess she was a senstive/anxious/depressive type child/teen too - she certainly was not mentally stable or 'the perfect mother'), they seem to want to emulate it.
  • Harry was probably a child with anxiety issues, maybe born 'a sensitve' child, quick to anger due to internal stress.
  • Harry displays much of what psychologists would term an 'internal locus of control', i.e. the tendency to see that his fate is due to things outside himself (situations, people) rather than his own actions. This type of behaviour is strongly correlated with depressive tendencies.
  • Not minimising what PH went through as a child, but depressive people or those suffering from depressive, can often have a clouded view of actual situation, very much a 'glass half-full' and can hold resentment until they get better and can see more clearly.
  • Quick to temper, I wonder whether PH has impulse control/ADHD type issues too.
  • So he might read a situation of what someone has said/done and would go 'right, f-ck them, and might blurt something out (and tell the ghostwriter)' but might regret his actions after.
  • No one, whether a celebrity, RF or a 'normal' person should wash their dirty linen in public.
  • They need the money.

I've always thought Harry looks very similar to Megan's ex husband Trevor.

Jordosky · 07/01/2023 15:51

pigalow27

good point about how those other politicians were also humiliated. But the difference is they seem to have thicker skin the bad press didn’t bother them. Unfortunately Harry and Meghan have shown the world how thin skinned and petty they are. How many years later and they’re still trying to control narratives and justify their perceived victimhood. No fan of boris but he has the hide of a rhino. And a sense of humour. These two don’t. They take themselves too seriously and they fell in love with their own hype during the wedding build up and public adoration. That level of goodwill and coverage was never going to be sustained post wedding. The public and media would have moved onto the next thing. They always do. The lip gloss anecdote says it all. She wasn’t denied it, but it wasn’t offered with enough enthusiasm and that’s apparently a grievance for them. They also have a hard time accepting that William and Kate just didn’t like his wife. They’ve created a whole narrative to say that it’s because they’re stiff and formal and were secretly jealous. It can’t possibly be because Meghan spoke in a sexist way to Kate and was pulled up by Kate for speaking rudely to Kate’s staff. By going on about all this, they’ve drawn more attention to the bullying claims. Hopefully those members of staff will get some sort of closure and justice out of all this. The palace was wrong to hide and minimise that for Meghan. I can see why William would have been fuming that he would as dealing with that call out and Harry was refusing to even acknowledge it let alone deal with the situation.

Cariadz · 07/01/2023 15:56

skippingthroughthedaisies · 07/01/2023 09:11

On sky news yesterday someone they interviewed, ex army, said he was never on the frontline he was a few miles back, so how does he know how many he killed?

That was explained in the book.

Cariadz · 07/01/2023 16:02

WisteriaLodge · 07/01/2023 13:14

No, Harry can fuck right off, the taxpayer should not foot the bill because an idiot Prince has runaway with his gob, this his own doing and no one else's . If he wants protection for his family then he can pay for it from the sales of his book which I think is predicted to be £100 million...

I’m still convinced he mentioned his ‘kills’ in order to force the Governments hand and pay for his security wherever he is and for life.

MoscowMules · 07/01/2023 16:21

Cariadz · 07/01/2023 16:02

I’m still convinced he mentioned his ‘kills’ in order to force the Governments hand and pay for his security wherever he is and for life.

As much as I do have sympathy for Harry, I really don't think it appropriate to spend millions on tax payer funded security because he decided to open his mouth.

He will have sat in hours of military briefings regarding disclosures, safety and security.

So on this point he has "brought it upon himself"

And also with them living in the US the metropolitan police have zero powers.

If they suspect a threat, they will have to do what any other private citizen of the US does and contact the appropriate authorities for protection and investigation.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/01/2023 16:38

My reply was not directed at you Puzzledandpissedoff ...

In that case genuine apologies, squishageandmosh; not for the first time I made an honest mistake

JemimaTiggywinkles · 07/01/2023 17:02

And also with them living in the US the metropolitan police have zero powers.

I think he wants International Protected Person status, which would mean he gets constant state protection regardless of his location. It’s a reciprocal thing, so we protect American IPPs who are in the UK and the US protects British IPPs in America. Obviously the individuals often have private security in addition to the state security. Our government have said that Harry’s risk is insufficient to justify IPP and round-the-clock protection and Harry is taking them to court over the decision.

I’ll be furious if the comments on killing mean that his risk has risen enough to warrant the IPP status. But if it has then we (unfortunately) will have to suck up that cost because we can’t have a system whereby some people don’t get the protection they need just because we dislike them, or that some of the risk came about due to their poor decisions. We pay to protect people based entirely on need because any other method of deciding who gets protection is unacceptable.

Jean67 · 07/01/2023 17:09

When they announced they were leaving royal duties his statement said that as an IPP he would continue to have security. It was one of the things people objected to. He just assumed he'd be able to be keep it.

MoscowMules · 07/01/2023 17:53

JemimaTiggywinkles · 07/01/2023 17:02

And also with them living in the US the metropolitan police have zero powers.

I think he wants International Protected Person status, which would mean he gets constant state protection regardless of his location. It’s a reciprocal thing, so we protect American IPPs who are in the UK and the US protects British IPPs in America. Obviously the individuals often have private security in addition to the state security. Our government have said that Harry’s risk is insufficient to justify IPP and round-the-clock protection and Harry is taking them to court over the decision.

I’ll be furious if the comments on killing mean that his risk has risen enough to warrant the IPP status. But if it has then we (unfortunately) will have to suck up that cost because we can’t have a system whereby some people don’t get the protection they need just because we dislike them, or that some of the risk came about due to their poor decisions. We pay to protect people based entirely on need because any other method of deciding who gets protection is unacceptable.

I still don't think he will reach IPP status with this one.

As grim as this sounds, his death will not effect the line of succession now. He's not "the spare" anymore.

William, George, Charlotte and Louis are all ahead of him.

So if some rouge Taliban did off him, it would most definitely be a tragedy but constitutionally for the UK it's not going to sink the ship.

If saying things you weren't supposed to and releasing "secrets" made you a IPP bloody Julian Assange would be a IPP. 😳

MintyFreshOne · 07/01/2023 18:14

Edward and Anne manage to live lovely lives by the looks of it

Reading between the lines in the tabloids, I think Edward is seething about not being made Duke of Edinburgh after their parents died; it was apparently the Queen’s wishes but Charles won’t do it for whatever reason.

It’s incredibly toxic and only money and status will keep them sweet.

One wishes Princess Anne was made Queen instead. She was the best suited for it

SammyScrounge · 07/01/2023 18:17

Tulipomania · 07/01/2023 12:19

The derogatory way she ridiculed meeting the Queen for the first time during the documentary lost her my respect entirely.

I watched it and thought she wasn't being derogatory but self-deprecating. Funny how recollections may vary.

That smug hideous grin all over her face as she did the ridiculous curtsey and put on her cute little girl's voice was absolutely nauseating.

Lampzade · 07/01/2023 18:18

SammyScrounge · 07/01/2023 18:17

That smug hideous grin all over her face as she did the ridiculous curtsey and put on her cute little girl's voice was absolutely nauseating.

You sound charming…

Tulipomania · 07/01/2023 18:30

Haters gonna hate ...

Mummyoflittledragon · 07/01/2023 18:32

MintyFreshOne · 07/01/2023 18:14

Edward and Anne manage to live lovely lives by the looks of it

Reading between the lines in the tabloids, I think Edward is seething about not being made Duke of Edinburgh after their parents died; it was apparently the Queen’s wishes but Charles won’t do it for whatever reason.

It’s incredibly toxic and only money and status will keep them sweet.

One wishes Princess Anne was made Queen instead. She was the best suited for it

I didn’t know Charles is refusing to make Edward Duke of Edinburgh. He should Imo. I would also be pissed off.

Mañanarama · 07/01/2023 18:43

”One wishes Princess Anne was made Queen instead. She was the best suited for it”

Anne, the only member of the royal family with an actual criminal record?

Yep, I’d vote her in.

RedToothBrush · 07/01/2023 18:52

Quick point. The media is and always has been about, in no small measure, about holding the elite and power to account. That has been since it's inception about bridging the gap between the public through the media. The media can influence the public to a degree but the public won't buy / engage with content which isn't reflective of how they feel either. It has changed with social media, by largely cutting out the middle man. That's what memes are about. A continuation of the ridicule of the excess and indulgent behaviour of the elite.

In this particular case, Harry knows this and is trying to play a game of engaging with the public for his own benefit. His position means he is far from naive about any of this. He has learnt from an early age about it. PR and how it works is the bread and butter of the Royals. He thinks he can make his own future from taking control of this himself. For his own financial benefit and for the political benefit of his family. His political benefit is 'getting his side of the story across' to try and change the family to suit his own beliefs and to shape the future of the Royals. You will note everything he says is still relational to the family, and none of it about forging an independent path away from the family. The irony here, is Harry's value diminishes if he no longer has his title and he is nothing if he's not a Royal. (And the interesting thing here is the Queen didn't remove his title and the King hasn't removed him from being one of the Royals responsible in his absence even though he's no longer a working Royal and he hasn't removed his title and I suspect that won't change in the immediate aftermath either).

Harry is trying to work the public here. This isn't stuff the media has papped or dug up from somewhere to embarrass Harry. His book and TV series is a premeditated, deliberate and concerted effort for further sympathy for Harry. And thus the public are actively INVITED by Harry himself, to give a positive or negative review to this.

To frame the public giving a firm thumbs down on a business move and as 'bullying' is utter bullshit which fails to recognise and acknowledge the business that Harry is in. The PR and marketing business. That's the Royals family business.

All Harry is doing is demonstrating with the book is he is failing to connect with the public, which he had done successfully for considerable time. He isn't understanding the business he's in. The oversharing and selling his own privacy and the privacy of others is backfiring.

It's not just dragging his family into it. It's dragging people like the woman who he lost his virginity into it. People like the military. People who have been loyal to him and HAVEN'T sold their stories to the press. When perhaps the money and the fame might hold much more benefit to their lifestyle than it ever will to Harry.

The public book review is memes. It doesn't have to sophicasted.

His book is a commercial venture. It is not bullying to say 'what a crock of shite' via a meme as a member of the public he's trying to win and get support from to further his personal goals.

It's an embarrassing lesson on why you should take good advice from people who not only have your interests at heart, not just their own.

The mental health stuff is just bollocks PR to spin how badly the launch is going imho. Its a damage limitation exercise by people who dislike the Royals and are realising that Harry has fucked his own agenda. (I'm not sure many actually really give a shit about Harry himself tbh).

For me, whether he doubles down or backtracks going on about wanting a reconciliation in interviews this week will be interesting.

Ultimately, if this was about Harry wanting to get his story 'out there' as much as possible, he could have done it without attaching a price tag to it. He's has because this is about maintaining his lifestyle and status first and foremost. The rest is secondary to that. He wants to remain elite and famous. He doesn't want to avoid the media eye and the comments of the public. He wants the public on his side...

Wise up. Harry has a chip on his shoulder and wants to punish his family and wants to get one over on them. The gamble isn't working because he doesn't get that he can't complain to the same public he's hard done by

Pulp's Common People describes the sentiment Harry is coming out with well here...

'Bullying' na. It's the public reply to his propaganda appeal to them by pointing out that he'll never see roaches climb the wall. And holding him to account by saying 'jog on rich boy, get with the programme and stop being a bellend about this. We get ya, you don't get on with your family and feel hard done by. Just like millions of others. Grow up and get the fuck on with it rather than whining like a baby about it and realise all the wonderful things in your life you DO have'.

This is completely separate to whether you like the Royals or not and think they have a place going forward. And it's completely separate to anything to do with Meghan. This is his story. His book. Time for him to take responsibility for his own misjudged commercial move. Or live with it.

Meme on. Satire has always been about power and accountability and responsibility taking. The public in this particular dynamic are exercising their response as requested. It's may or may not be the response Harry likes but it's what he INVITED. Harry doesn't get to escape book reviews cos he's royal even if he's got a dodgy therapist.

If a car crash does happen, then I don't think there was an alternative anyway. He's got to make better decisions one way or another. And sometimes if you are mentally ill, you can't do that until you crash and burn regardless of how bloody awful that might be. He's certainly not sectionable so he retains that capacity to make decisions for himself and himself alone. Even bad ones. He has the right to make bad decisions...

MeinKraft · 07/01/2023 19:06

2bazookas · 07/01/2023 14:15

MN has seen this countless times.

Coercive control, in which a manipulative person identifies a vulnerable target, love bombs them, isolates them from their previous life, family, job, friends, income; drains the money, psychologically destroys them, dumps them, and moves on to the next.

I totally agree with this. I know he's an adult and can make up his own mind about what he writes but I do feel he's being controlled and exploited by his wife. Funny how she tries desperately to keep her own family dysfunction under wraps but is happy for Harry to spill the beans on his personal life.

Itsnottime · 07/01/2023 19:08

RedToothBrush · 07/01/2023 18:52

Quick point. The media is and always has been about, in no small measure, about holding the elite and power to account. That has been since it's inception about bridging the gap between the public through the media. The media can influence the public to a degree but the public won't buy / engage with content which isn't reflective of how they feel either. It has changed with social media, by largely cutting out the middle man. That's what memes are about. A continuation of the ridicule of the excess and indulgent behaviour of the elite.

In this particular case, Harry knows this and is trying to play a game of engaging with the public for his own benefit. His position means he is far from naive about any of this. He has learnt from an early age about it. PR and how it works is the bread and butter of the Royals. He thinks he can make his own future from taking control of this himself. For his own financial benefit and for the political benefit of his family. His political benefit is 'getting his side of the story across' to try and change the family to suit his own beliefs and to shape the future of the Royals. You will note everything he says is still relational to the family, and none of it about forging an independent path away from the family. The irony here, is Harry's value diminishes if he no longer has his title and he is nothing if he's not a Royal. (And the interesting thing here is the Queen didn't remove his title and the King hasn't removed him from being one of the Royals responsible in his absence even though he's no longer a working Royal and he hasn't removed his title and I suspect that won't change in the immediate aftermath either).

Harry is trying to work the public here. This isn't stuff the media has papped or dug up from somewhere to embarrass Harry. His book and TV series is a premeditated, deliberate and concerted effort for further sympathy for Harry. And thus the public are actively INVITED by Harry himself, to give a positive or negative review to this.

To frame the public giving a firm thumbs down on a business move and as 'bullying' is utter bullshit which fails to recognise and acknowledge the business that Harry is in. The PR and marketing business. That's the Royals family business.

All Harry is doing is demonstrating with the book is he is failing to connect with the public, which he had done successfully for considerable time. He isn't understanding the business he's in. The oversharing and selling his own privacy and the privacy of others is backfiring.

It's not just dragging his family into it. It's dragging people like the woman who he lost his virginity into it. People like the military. People who have been loyal to him and HAVEN'T sold their stories to the press. When perhaps the money and the fame might hold much more benefit to their lifestyle than it ever will to Harry.

The public book review is memes. It doesn't have to sophicasted.

His book is a commercial venture. It is not bullying to say 'what a crock of shite' via a meme as a member of the public he's trying to win and get support from to further his personal goals.

It's an embarrassing lesson on why you should take good advice from people who not only have your interests at heart, not just their own.

The mental health stuff is just bollocks PR to spin how badly the launch is going imho. Its a damage limitation exercise by people who dislike the Royals and are realising that Harry has fucked his own agenda. (I'm not sure many actually really give a shit about Harry himself tbh).

For me, whether he doubles down or backtracks going on about wanting a reconciliation in interviews this week will be interesting.

Ultimately, if this was about Harry wanting to get his story 'out there' as much as possible, he could have done it without attaching a price tag to it. He's has because this is about maintaining his lifestyle and status first and foremost. The rest is secondary to that. He wants to remain elite and famous. He doesn't want to avoid the media eye and the comments of the public. He wants the public on his side...

Wise up. Harry has a chip on his shoulder and wants to punish his family and wants to get one over on them. The gamble isn't working because he doesn't get that he can't complain to the same public he's hard done by

Pulp's Common People describes the sentiment Harry is coming out with well here...

'Bullying' na. It's the public reply to his propaganda appeal to them by pointing out that he'll never see roaches climb the wall. And holding him to account by saying 'jog on rich boy, get with the programme and stop being a bellend about this. We get ya, you don't get on with your family and feel hard done by. Just like millions of others. Grow up and get the fuck on with it rather than whining like a baby about it and realise all the wonderful things in your life you DO have'.

This is completely separate to whether you like the Royals or not and think they have a place going forward. And it's completely separate to anything to do with Meghan. This is his story. His book. Time for him to take responsibility for his own misjudged commercial move. Or live with it.

Meme on. Satire has always been about power and accountability and responsibility taking. The public in this particular dynamic are exercising their response as requested. It's may or may not be the response Harry likes but it's what he INVITED. Harry doesn't get to escape book reviews cos he's royal even if he's got a dodgy therapist.

If a car crash does happen, then I don't think there was an alternative anyway. He's got to make better decisions one way or another. And sometimes if you are mentally ill, you can't do that until you crash and burn regardless of how bloody awful that might be. He's certainly not sectionable so he retains that capacity to make decisions for himself and himself alone. Even bad ones. He has the right to make bad decisions...

Great post.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 07/01/2023 19:09

Lampzade · 07/01/2023 18:18

You sound charming…

And you sound sycophantic. How can you defend Meghan's silliness about that? She was utterly ridiculous in an attempt to do a comedy sketch. Well I hope that's what it was.

MintyFreshOne · 07/01/2023 19:19

didn’t know Charles is refusing to make Edward Duke of Edinburgh. He should Imo. I would also be pissed off

It is really shitty tbh

Jean67 · 07/01/2023 19:22

It's only been in the tabloids that Charles is refusing to make Edward Duke of Edinburgh. It may not be true. I think he's taking things slowly as he's trying to show that he's slimming down the monarchy.

Swissmountains · 07/01/2023 19:25

Jean67 · 07/01/2023 19:22

It's only been in the tabloids that Charles is refusing to make Edward Duke of Edinburgh. It may not be true. I think he's taking things slowly as he's trying to show that he's slimming down the monarchy.

And Edward has hardly endeared himself recently….

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