I am genuinely worried for Harry's mental health now after this

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Give it another week of worldwide chewing over his words and all the drama it's creating, I'm genuinely worried for Harry. How can you go anywhere and hold your head up after you've opened yourself to such ridicule? He might want an un-royal life but he is a prince non-the-less. Where's the dignity? He really, really needs help. I sincerely hope it gets it. The fallout from this won't be forgotten in a hurry. And to top it off, how can he make his family truly secure now?

I've got the book on order (I'm curious). Feel he's very isolated and is making some poor choices.

Hell no. I was delighted when he married a woman of mixed race, and thought she was amazing. It felt to me like things were finally changing for the better - at the time.

Yes, they needs ecurity (her and the DCs, she needs custody etc) the whole situation will now be untenable for her.

I believeshe orchestrated this. Glaringly obvious. None of it went her way so she is off.

I dont read the tabloids, no.
I have no interest
But if you have an issue with the nasty tabloids why write a book about your knob, sex in a field, killing 25 people and your Mummy issues???

I mean, of all the things and ways he could have written this book - he choose the bleakest, seediest, vengeful version for the very people he claims to hate!!

Harry was raised by a deeply unhappy mother and warring parents who attacked each other publicly.
A family who forced him to walk behind his mothers coffin surrounded by wailing strangers. No normal, functional family would put a young child through that.
He was also at boarding school from the age of 8.
Harry said that his father did not hug him after telling him his mother had died. My mum did not hug me when she told me my cat died when I was a child and I remember to this day the confusion and hurt of this. I cannot even begin to imagine the pain of being told you mother had died and not to get a hug from your father.

Here is a quote; In the book William At 40: The Making of a Modern Monarch, royal author Robert Jobson alleged that William liked going away to boarding school partly because it allowed him to escape Diana’s personal problems.
“For William, school was not only fun but a respite from his mother’s increasing tendency to lean on him as an emotional crutch,” Jobson wrote (via Daily Mail). “Later, even Diana privately admitted she went too far in burdening him with her problems.”

You may believe it was a loving supportive family but Harry is clear he did not experience it that way. And sometimes love is not enough to compensate for other dysfunctions in the family.

Having looked at some US reaction, like the Jimmy Kimmel skit of the two "princes" fighting, camp Sussex must be concerned, they are being made a mockery, globally.

For someone with already fragile mental health, global mockery isn't going to help.

The media is a difficult thing to dable with, it can turn on you faster than a toddler who's been given the wrong colour spoon to eat it's yoghurt.

Well, that's a shocker, isn't it?. Who could have foreseen that? 🙄

@clyspa my goodness, that clip! Camilla is fantastic, William his closest friend, etc. How happy he was at Sandhurst & where are all these close allies & trusted friends now.

Here Harry is so likeable, warm, personable, friendly. Happy ‘using his hands’ not for him a desk job he says, loves being anonymous in Africa helping children, he beams with happiness.

He beams with happiness here especially when discussing Chelsy & says he feels hugely protective.

I see ‘boarding school syndrome’ & a man that takes on the nature & characteristics of woman he’s with. Here he’s Chelsy writ large, warm, sunny, healthily contemplative…

Do you know of men who morph into the women they date? Or what they assume that person values? For example someone I know was walking around dressed & acting like Liam Gallagher when with some cool, Manc girl. Next thing you know he’s full on toff with pinky, signet ring & range rover with silver dog figurine on front.

Scarily & sadly the ‘real him’ was/is a empty shell. It’s as if he’s never figured in out. In his 60s now & he’s become steadily more depressed. He’s an empty vacuum, poss borderline personality disorder? He lost a parent to suicide & found them as a young boy.

I am left wondering what on earth went wrong re: Harry? What fundamentally changed?

I read a couple of pages from the book talking about Afghanistan and how many Taliban he'd killed and actually it gave you a different impression of him. I think he might come across very differently if you read the whole book. (Although his petty motives of hurting the RF will still be the same. 🙄)

You must have led a very sheltered life. Harry has had a brilliant life - bar the loss of his mother. Many families do not do affection, but show their love in a million other ways. Harry knows he is deeply loved by his father and he has never denied that.

Many of us go through the most tragic of circumstances in childhood, and lose and are exposed to terrible things but we do not walk around the earth causing a trail of anger, grief and revenge. We process what we can, and we make the best of what we have - the happiness that is on offer even in small doses. The very fact he has been indulged to this point to cause such destruction and harm, and still people like you are making excuses for him.

William also suffered the loss of his mother at a very tender age, has he been on war path gunning for everyone? No.

It is not enough to say I have suffered, and will bring my family, your family and our kids down with me. It is grossly unfair to have left his family - who are young children - they will be left to deal with the fall out of this. Do they deserve to be have their childhoods shattered?

Of course not.

No, Harry can fuck right off, the taxpayer should not foot the bill because an idiot Prince has runaway with his gob, this his own doing and no one else's . If he wants protection for his family then he can pay for it from the sales of his book which I think is predicted to be £100 million...

Cognitive dissonance.

The gift that keeps in giving.

I totally agree coming from a farming family. It's even worse when the wives do not get on.

He told Bryony Gordon in 2017 that he had been in counselling for the past three years.

Therefore he has been in counselling since 2014, nine years ago. (I know now that he has changed this and he says he only started counselling once he met Meghan.)

Is this proof that counselling doesn't work?

Also, when Meghan needed therapeutic help a few months prior to the alleged altercation, why did Harry say he didn't know anyone who could help?

It's all nonsense, sadly.

I thought it was interesting that Harry tried to get the publication stopped in the late summer, but it was too late.

He needs to count his blessings and look to the future and stop harping on about past grievances. If he doesnt nothing is going to change.

I have seen so many therapists give the most awful advice

A good therapist doesn't give advice. They help you to see your influences and motivations for yourself. ThoughI do think that advising someone to think carefully about revealing information that they might regret is acceptable.

And I can’t believe people saying he was deeply loved by his family therefore he must be emotionally unharmed. His parents went through a hideous public divorce and then his mother died when he was thirteen. And he had to mourn her in public. Or has everyone forgotten that?

He has spent a life shuttling between his parents, his school, foreign trips, his grandparents country houses. Never in one place for long. Not knowing if friends liked him for who he is or because of his status. People selling stories about him to the press. All glamorous on the outside but pretty rocky at the heart of it.

Ask any nanny working for the “top”
echelons of society. You’d be surprised how many rich kids there are who are basically left to bring up themselves.

Diana had her own burdens and Charles’s schedule by all accounts is very heavy. I am sure they loved Harry in their own way but it’s not like sitting down to dinner with your child every night after school asking about their day.

I'm not at all worried. He can afford the best medical and psychiatric care there is. Maybe if he bogged off, stopped mouthing off and paid for some therapy, then he'd get some resolution. We can live in hope.

Historically, Wattisham (not Wittisham as in the Daily Fail article) was an RAF base however, has not been an RAF base since September 1993. It was taken over by the British Army.
Captain Wales was an Apache co-pilot/gunner with the Army Air Corp…..not the RAF.
I also lived there at the same time as Harry….living round the corner from him.
so the fact that the Daily Fail couldn’t even get the base name correct and didn’t know he was actually in the army, not the RAF, kind of I
plies that the drugs story might also be fake. Do you actually believe the AAC would allow someone flying a multimillion pound apache to skip a drugs test 😉

The publisher must have been rubbing their hands in glee when he came out with this stuff, surely someone reliable/decent would have advised him against the oversharing? I am not a fan of his at all I think he has behaved appallingly but I also think he has been exploited - whether by MM or the publisher remains to be seen.

It is not enough to say I have suffered, and will bring my family, your family and our kids down with me. It is grossly unfair to have left his family - who are young children - they will be left to deal with the fall out of this. Do they deserve to be have their childhoods shattered?
Of course not.

Lets get some perspective. It's a book most people won't have read or ever will read. He sounds,a bit hippy dippy, singing with seals but his kids already know that. A few embarrassing details about his todger aren't going to destroy their life...behind that $150m wall.

If you have ever been involved with a news story personally, you will know how reporters distort the truth to sensationalise and exploit. For profit

Yes I have been, and you're right about the media's motivation and behaviour.
However if even a nobody like me can access media training I've no doubt Harry could do the same - that is, if he really wanted to behave responsibly instead of blaming everyone else for the position he finds himself in

The papers are far from just reporting Harry’s words! They are putting a negative spin on all of the stories!

Again as per normal, but please don't assume things about others' personal susceptibility simply because their views might differ from your own.
Believe it or not some of us are capable of separating the actual words from the noise and fury the media attach to them ... we're even able to accept that the words themselves may not have been reported accurately, and that it's best to wait to read them for ourselves

I don't really understand your point to be honest. Lots of us had childhoods that were less than perfect to put it mildly, lots of us have done so without millions in the bank and a hoard of therapists. That doesn't make it ok to sell out your family for profit. To try and publicly take down everyone you think has wronged you knowing that have no real right of reply. Harry isn't unique in having childhood issues, just ask William. Where is Harrys empathy towards his brother, the one who also endured a fucked up childhood from the same people? Why is Harry gunning for him too instead of understanding that his reactions to certain situations will be as a result of what he went through? The same could be said for Charles.

My own mother treated me appallingly, grown up me now realises that she is a product of her own fucked up mother. It doesn't make it right but I wouldn't set out to shame her on the world stage. Harry isn't unique, trauma from parents is passed down in families all over the world, in all social classes. Using that trauma, his brothers trauma, his mums trauma, his dads trauma to fund a luxury lifestyle is just gross. It's hypocritical of him to expect love and empathy when he is not willing to do the same in return.

I laughed at the Meme thread, it's really funny.

But I did think it's going to be difficult for Harry going forward when people are ridiculing him. It just hasn't landed at all how he thought it would, and that might seriously destabilise him.

Of course he shouldn't have written the bloody thing, even he knows that which is why he tried to stop its publication once, and then amend it another time.

He's stuck with it now, and I do wonder what will happen next, not in a good way.