What the hell is his end goal?

[Bigslippers]

So Harry is worried about security and yet has written in his book that he’s killed 25 Talibans.
He is dangerous. He is dangerous to the UK, to his family and to himself
He seems intent to be stirring up hatred.
I am so glad that HM The Queen isn’t seeing this 🥹 All her years of service being trashed by someone she loved so much

I truly believe there is no ‘goal’. It’s just a pile of whatever deals they could make with no particular plan to follow

I'm inclined to agree, because developing a proper "goal" would require logical thought, self knowledge and integrity and it's clear Harry has none of them

Many of us agree that the royal institution's completely toxic, that Harry's suffered dreadful trauma and all the rest, but IMO absolutely nothing justifies the way he's behaving now if the reported book contents are accurate (though part of me's still hoping they're not)

It's not pleasant to watch a deeply unhappy man unravelling like this, but much of it is the result of his own choices and that's what he'll have no choice but to to live with in the end - or not

I cannot believe that anyone thinks sharing lip gloss is anything but unhygienic. I am also surprised that Meghan did not have any of her own. I would have thought an actress would have always carried plenty of makeup about.
Frankly, meeting your future in laws for the first time, in ripped jeans and bare feet is not what I would do.

I'm definitely not a future queen, but no way will I share or give away lipgloss or any toiletries.

It's too personal. It might have been a discontinued shade, we all know how much we miss a lipstick once it's discontinued.

Also, imagine if Meghan got cold sore after that, not that I'm suggesting Kate has those, but just imagine! The headlines on that! Oprah's face!

My 11 year old daughter took a fancy lip balm into school today that she got for Xmas. Her lips are very chapped. I said do not share that lip balm not with all the bugs going about etc. it’s scented and we all know what girls are like. Thankfully she agreed and said that would be disgusting.

@IcedPurple

Nothing is to be gained, other than H&M successfully monetising people's interest in them.

And we are all here discussing them so there clearly something to it.

I'm American and I don't share my lipstick or lipgloss either and I've never asked to borrow from another person. I just find it unhygienic but that's me and possibly Kate.

Sharing lipstick/lipgloss - just no. I can’t imagine my friends doing that either.

I think 'attacked' is too strong a word here.

If we want to discuss Kates rights as a woman - let's talk about trotting her out for the media while she's probably still wearing a diaper post childbirth. Or how if she divorced Will her children would be the property of the crown and she wouldn't have any custody rights unless the crown agreed.

They had an awkward interaction, that (rightly or wrongly) in Harry's mind illustrates a mismatch between Meaghan and the institution. It's the kind of small story that you tell to illustrate a larger point. Meaghan wanted a close, relaxed relationship and felt shut down or judged or however you want to put it when that wasn't received in the same spirit.

I don't know about the lipgloss or the jeans or whatever- but I do believe that's how Meaghan felt.

So Kate did exactly what was asked but was insufficiently fawning / had the wrong look on her face when doing as asked?

That's really quite toxic. These people really can't be pleased can they? I bet Kate is SO GLAD they're living in the US now as having to guess the right facial expression all the time must be exhausting / feel like being coercively controlled.

Sharing lip gloss is gross.

I hope King Charles does his duty with respect to the British people and bans them from the coronation. Harry has deliberately drawn the ire of the Taliban. They are now very much a target. We could do without the extra security costs given everything in the UK is broken and people are dying for want of medical care every week.

Agree. Don’t know what to think anymore but nobody taunts the bleeding Taliban.
Unstable man being taken for a ride by publishers and Netflix that see him as a short term cash cow.
it’s a disturbing breakdown in public

The lipgloss thing is just silly - it’s one sided, petty and inferred. It makes H looks silly to even be relating this and makes both H&M look silly because presumably it’s been discussed at length.

How does he know that pregnant K’s was not just more preoccupied by not being sick, baby moving around and wondering if she need another loo trip? Even if she didn’t like the idea of sharing her lipgloss or thought it was odd she is perfectly entitled to feel the way she does. My closest friend hates hugs, wouldn’t walk around bare foot and wouldn’t share a bowl of chips let alone her lipgloss - I’m the opposite - doesn’t mean we’re not great mates but it did take us a long time to get to know one another.

God knows why it’s included but really it’s so petty it probably doesn’t help his cause.

His goal is 100% cold hard cash in his pocket. The best thing we can all do is NOT buy this memoir. If it tanks then at least we'll be spared more of this self-serving money grabbing at a time when so many are genuinely in desperate need.

Sadly I think as much as the primary goal is money , spite and revenge is also a large part of it. As in he gets to be spiteful and vengeful and get paid for it.

They were going to a televised interview, presumably Kate “really needed” her lipgloss herself. That is why she’d brought it along and was reluctant to give it away.

She was also heavily pregnant so probably very conscious of germs / cold sores etc.

Telegraph has an article about Taliban not being very happy about his revelation.

Does nobody think he might be telling all this because he feels he's had a traumatic upbringing ad it's his way of freeing himself? I seriously doubt it's for money! They're hardly poor.

@OnTheRoadAgain1 they are are not that rich to keep up the lifestyle they want without additional income coming in. If it was just to free himself he wouldn't be doing all the publicity and be paid millions by Netflix

@OnTheRoadAgain1 how can you ever think what he has done is a good idea and will give him peace. A good therapist would have been better. Even better, a quiet life in USA with your wife and children.

Head of the security service ( don’t know which one) was on Times radio earlier and he sounded livid , in that very clipped restrained British way, he implied that Harry had broken the law doing this , not sure which law . Apparently a US security person was also on who was equally cross , provably because they live in the US.

I don't think it will give him peace really. I feel like he's spilling his guts and maybe that's the reason why.

40 years in and I'm still struggling to express my trauma, that's all I'm saying. It's nothing against the RF either (for me anyway!). I think people are just different, some people are cut out for that sort of life and some aren't.

I think it would be harder to express all these things if you've lived a life which was always stiff upper lip when that's not how you feel inside. I have absolutely no allegiance to either side, I'm notoriously bad for sitting on the fence. Only giving a different perspective.

Quite, it's long been alleged that Princess Di and Fergie fell out for good after Diana's shoes lent to Fergie gave Fergie verrucas.

What?

Kate is a person. She's not the 'institution'. I wouldn't want to share my lip gloss with anyone and I'm not part of any 'institution'. Nor does she need a complete stranger fretting over her 'rights'. If any royal bride went into the life with her eyes wide open, it's Kate.

And you seem to be confirming my point above, that retelling this 'incident' is to portray Kate as a cold, uptight automaton and 'Meaghan' as a warm, laid back California girl. Frankly, it's a bit obnoxious to expect people to respond to you in a way which corresponds with your 'feelings' and even worse to get your husband to whine about it to the world nearly 5 years later.

The “revelations” about Kate are always a drip, drip drip which result in an impression of her being cold, humourless and uptight. The incidents in themselves are petty, but enough have been sprinkled to make sure we know how we should see Kate.

For all we know Kate is frosty, but somehow I doubt it. I think she and Meghan did not hit it off, and that, coupled with Meghan being pissed at being subordinate to what she perceived to be a less glamorous star and her complaining to Harry has resulted in these jibes.

Rather like Wallis Simpson again, who called the Queen Mother (when she was Queen) the “Dumpy Duchess”.

Way to go starting a personal feud with the Taliban Harry.

Why oh why oh why is someone not stopping him?

If there is some terrible fall out from all of this I think there are going to be some people who should feel shame in supporting this self destruction.

I think the journos involved in these interviews, the publishers, Netflix, they all know this is a shit show for him as an individual but they're cheering him on as they're making money from him.

They think Oprah and Tom B are their mates. They're not. They're doing their job and getting the story.

And I'd include all those H&M supporters online who will say nothing against them. You are cheering him into a mental breakdown of immense proportion, you're feeding back how marvellous and loved they are as they make insane decision after decision and become more & more isolated. It's cruel now.

They need real honesty and guidance, which they're obviously not getting, and all those pretending this 'Tell your truth Harry' is good for him are lying to serve themselves.

God help him with the Taliban.
And I sincerely mean that.

Meaghan wanted a close, relaxed relationship and felt shut down or judged or however you want to put it when that wasn't received in the same spirit.

She might have wanted that, but she wasn't entitled to it.

A close, relaxed relationship does not just happen because someone wants it. You have to click with someone. No one can force it.