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What the hell is his end goal?

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Bigslippers · 06/01/2023 03:11

So Harry is worried about security and yet has written in his book that he’s killed 25 Talibans.
He is dangerous. He is dangerous to the UK, to his family and to himself
He seems intent to be stirring up hatred.
I am so glad that HM The Queen isn’t seeing this 🥹 All her years of service being trashed by someone she loved so much

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TheClogLady · 06/01/2023 11:52

They have unintentionally made it very easy to side with the RF. I mean who on earth shares that inane stuff about the lipgloss and baby brain, it makes Meghan seem unreasonable, but he's unable to see it

It’s a curious phenomenon, isn’t it?

I’ve always been quite indifferent to the royals (would’ve preferred to be rid of them in my younger years, now I think it’s a bit late in the day to bring on Madame Guillotine and I wouldn’t want to risk replacing them with a President Boris) but Harry’s dirty laundry airing has made me appreciate the other royals so much more.

Who hasn’t wanted to give their whinging sibling a good hard shove into the dog bowl?
Who hasn’t been squicked out over a shared lippy?
Who hasn’t gotten well pissed off at being branded ‘hormonal’ by someone who is yet to experience the postnatal phase?
Who does know how to tell a kid terrible news in the middle of the night?
Who does want their divorced dad to marry his mistress?
Who does want their teenage stepson to sleep in a room that adjoins the marital bedroom where he is likely to hear the middleaged newlyweds getting it on (especially if there are lots of other alternative bedrooms just down the corridor)?
Who wouldn’t expect a newcomer who doesn’t like the freebie furniture in their freebie house to buy their own replacements?

I know neither Harry, Wills nor Charles likely has a normal emotional barometer due to the weirdness of their upbringing (posh boarding school alone can create emotional difficulties!) but so much of this ‘drama’ is normal family difficulties blown out of proportion by an overgrown boy who is simply unable to recognise what normal even is.

I have masses of sympathy for that little boy who lost his beloved mum but absolutely none for this adult man who has absolutely no material worries and is left endlessly raking over the past mistakes or disagreements of his family to justify his own sense of victimisation.
Fair enough to still be bitter about your dad’s affair and failures to adequately support you in your bereavement but the other grievances are hardly comparable.
Besides, even the big, understandable grievances do need to be left behind eventually, bitterness festers and ruins your future if you don’t leave it in the past.
If it was THAT bad, go no contact and don’t look back,

The whole ‘we’re leaving the UK and moving abroad for the sake of our own privacy’ rings rather hollow now that we’ve heard the Jilly-Cooper esque virginity-loss story, eh?

FailingMotherhood · 06/01/2023 11:53

I think there's a couple of things in play:

  1. Money. From a practical point of view, his family need literal security, which he's now having to pay for privately. He and Meghan effectively are celebrities rather than Royals now, so they have to keep their brand out there. That's an element, but I think it's more:

  2. Genuine grievances, especially around the negative briefings, etc. It's been fairly obvious that the press have frequently done convenient hit pieces on Meghan to distract from Prince Andrew's legal woes (and possibly Prince William's alleged affair), and a lot of these have had nasty racial undertones. That, combined with issues within the Palace (highlighted by the recent racism scandal of Lady Hussey), does suggest that Meghan possibly hasn't had the easiest time of it.

He sees what happened to his mother repeating itself with him and his wife, and he's understandably upset by that - especially as he's discouraged from publicly defending them.

And when you combine that with:

  1. Mental health issues. I think Harry is clearly a bit broken - he's had to grow up in public, lost his mother at a formative age, struggled within the confines of 'the institution', where stiff upper lip has always been the order of the day. I think he's possibly doing more damage to himself than he realises, but thinks that it's the only way to get 'the truth' out there - just like his mother did. Being a bit younger than William, he possibly has a more idealised version of Diana.

It's all very sad.

MistletoeandBaileys · 06/01/2023 11:53

He said he went down the tunnel in Paris where his mother died at the same speed to get closure. Those are not the actions of a well adjusted man.

And all the bleating about how William was favoured and all this balls about the bigger bedroom is ridiculous. During all of this time William was a child. Williams parents Charles and Diana because Harry seems to like to forget that William shares a mother with him chose the bedroom, the education, the bringing up of him.

Harry is so deluded.

MarshaBradyo · 06/01/2023 11:55

donquixotedelamancha · 06/01/2023 11:46

What the hell is his end goal?

Money. He's getting paid lots of money.

How on earth are so many people confused by this?

Yes to this

It’s not much effort to tell a ghost writer your story, set up for life with sales

BellePeppa · 06/01/2023 11:57

Goosefatroasts · 06/01/2023 09:30

I don’t think he was ever privileged. His mother whilst a fantasy loving figure in his head was categorically not a good mother. His father was useless, he was no doubt pitted against William from said parents so does not have an authentic sibling connection. It was a damaging and a highly, highly unusual upbringing for which he is rageful and I don’t really blame him….. to an extent.

I do think going to America and genuinely “living well and having genuine happiness” would have been the best revenge for him though. I do think he could have dealt with it with more integrity and in a way that actually would have probably made William quite envious.

I agree with a lot you said. Yes go to America but my goodness he couldn’t have made worst lifestyle choices with this move. He could have lived an amazing, quiet life away from the spotlight, have lots of friends and family a text away for lovely visits and get togethers. They would have been welcomed by A listers if they so chose but not engage in the shallow fluff, they would have been welcomed with open arms by the RF and the public on visits back to the U.K. Their lives in the US could have been brilliant instead it looks like an utter, chaotic, shallow mess.

caringcarer · 06/01/2023 11:58

I can't believe how low Harry has sunk that he cries boohoo my brother got a bigger bedroom than me, Kate is mean because she does not like sharing lipglosses with Meghan, William shouted at me and terrified me but I shot 25 Taliban. It is totally pathetic and I can't imagine he can stoop any lower but somehow has to write 3 more books. He is far too stupid to realise he has now made his family a target for Taliban. He is always moaning about cost of his security. I would not be surprised if he had to double it now. I can quite see why William was exasperated with him and pushed him over. I think William is being remarkably restrained in all this. I think most in his position would have punched Harry out. Thank goodness William is hier to the throne and not Harry. I do think Kate and the Middleton family have given William a lot of support and Harry has not had this stable influence in his life. Harry seems obsessed with his dead mother and it is not healthy. Harry seems to think his wife is somehow the re-embodiment of his dead mother when in fact Meghan is nothing like Diana was according to those who knew Diana well. Meghan is rude, very over familiar with those she barely knows like she has no normal boundaries, like asking to borrow lipgloss from a person she only met a few times, like inviting strangers to her wedding but not her family, and I can see this would make Kate, and most other people uncomfortable. Harry and Meghan both have severe mental health issues to deal with and I feel really sorry for their two little children.

MarshaMelrose · 06/01/2023 11:58

I understand grey rock but he's begging to be heard and at least part of what he says is a completely understandable and to be expected given the traumatic experiences he's had.

But he listed all his complaints and traumas to Charles who listened and apologised profusely. It wasn't enough for Harry. He's holding onto too much resentment. I dont see anything being enough for him in the short to medium term.

FuzzyPuffling · 06/01/2023 11:59

He's planning his follow up book.
It's called "A Big Boy Did It and Ran Away".

Viviennemary · 06/01/2023 12:01

I think he is annoyed that it's business as usual with the royal family and it didn't implode when the megastars harry and meghan left. So is stirring up as much trouble as he can.

bloodyplanes · 06/01/2023 12:01

Dropzonefourpleaseben · 06/01/2023 09:44

I read somewhere that a great deal of Harry’s problems before he married were dealt with by the RF and Buckingham Palace. That William and Catherine had encouraged him to seek professional help for his mental health issues and that the ‘Men in Grey’ managed to block the press from reporting the stories concerning his behaviour. Which sort of makes sense - perhaps what we are seeing now is the way he’s always been? This would easier to understand than him having a sudden and dramatic change of personality when he married Meghan. She may have unwittingly encouraged him to face his issues, fed into his insecurities, but ultimately, this is the real Harry and it’s only now the palace are no longer protecting him that the public are seeing it.

I was writing similar on here when all this began to leak out in 2018/19 but was called a liar! I have relatives who work for the RF and apparently PH has always been a spoilt, entitled nightmare but it was just well covered up by the palace PR! We are just getting to see the " real" harry now that they aren't running along behind him covering up his misdemeanours! If you read books written many years ago from former members of staff and police detectives they all say then what a handful he was even as a small child and how his mother indulged his behaviour because she didn't want him to feel second best to his brother!

Aspiringmatriarch · 06/01/2023 12:02

I have masses of sympathy for that little boy who lost his beloved mum but absolutely none for this adult man who has absolutely no material worries and is left endlessly raking over the past mistakes or disagreements of his family to justify his own sense of victimisation.

Fair enough, and of course he is a grown man and needs to take responsibility. But when you go through certain experiences at a formative you can get stuck there. Being paraded around in front of the public immediately after losing his mum and sent back to Eton shortly after would probably do it. There's some absolutely heartbreaking stuff in the book (assuming accuracy of the leaks/translations) about him being convinced at first Diana had faked her death so she could escape the paparazzi.

Stickytoff · 06/01/2023 12:04

I think it's more about getting his truth out there than it is about the money.

I agree with this. Having grown up in a very difficult home environment with that similar stiff upper lip mentality (emotionally neglectful is another word for that btw) it isn’t easy especially when things go very wrong.

I think Harry’s family was emotionally neglectful in the extreme and he suffered extreme emotional trauma as a result of his experiences, painful parental divorce, emotionally neglectful parents, constant press intrusion, mother dying at such a young age, and then he was massively re traumatised when he felt his wife was experiencing similar unfair press intrusion to his mother.

I agree with whoever said his development was emotionally arrested at a very young age due to the trauma he experienced and we are witnessing him trying to process all of that now publically. I feel really sorry for his because I have no doubt he is going through an incredibly painful experience as he tries to make sense of it all. People really simplify this experience when they talk about him walking away being what he wanted to he should be happy now. He wanted a family that could meet his emotional needs growing up and he did not get that in any way shape or form. My therapist put it really well when he said that at present we are in the blood letting and leeches level of understanding of trauma treatment when compared to the development of modern medicine and that is showing in how Harry is acting in spite of all of his therapy.

I think overall Harry is a really, really nice guy (as are his brother and father btw but if I’m honest I think Harry’s inbuilt character has the most potential from the 3 of them) but neither he nor his family have any of the tools or emotional maturity necessary to address this situation and that has led to what is playing out at the moment. I wish him well.

PollyEsther · 06/01/2023 12:05

I can't belive anybody finds the whole thing anything but tragic. He's clearly a man who's been hurting his entire life, and never had a functioning adult around him who can help.

Awful.

felulageller · 06/01/2023 12:05

He's not a very good advert for Eton is he?

Aspiringmatriarch · 06/01/2023 12:05

FailingMotherhood · 06/01/2023 11:53

I think there's a couple of things in play:

  1. Money. From a practical point of view, his family need literal security, which he's now having to pay for privately. He and Meghan effectively are celebrities rather than Royals now, so they have to keep their brand out there. That's an element, but I think it's more:

  2. Genuine grievances, especially around the negative briefings, etc. It's been fairly obvious that the press have frequently done convenient hit pieces on Meghan to distract from Prince Andrew's legal woes (and possibly Prince William's alleged affair), and a lot of these have had nasty racial undertones. That, combined with issues within the Palace (highlighted by the recent racism scandal of Lady Hussey), does suggest that Meghan possibly hasn't had the easiest time of it.

He sees what happened to his mother repeating itself with him and his wife, and he's understandably upset by that - especially as he's discouraged from publicly defending them.

And when you combine that with:

  1. Mental health issues. I think Harry is clearly a bit broken - he's had to grow up in public, lost his mother at a formative age, struggled within the confines of 'the institution', where stiff upper lip has always been the order of the day. I think he's possibly doing more damage to himself than he realises, but thinks that it's the only way to get 'the truth' out there - just like his mother did. Being a bit younger than William, he possibly has a more idealised version of Diana.

It's all very sad.

Great summary.

Topseyt123 · 06/01/2023 12:05

Goosefatroasts · 06/01/2023 09:30

I don’t think he was ever privileged. His mother whilst a fantasy loving figure in his head was categorically not a good mother. His father was useless, he was no doubt pitted against William from said parents so does not have an authentic sibling connection. It was a damaging and a highly, highly unusual upbringing for which he is rageful and I don’t really blame him….. to an extent.

I do think going to America and genuinely “living well and having genuine happiness” would have been the best revenge for him though. I do think he could have dealt with it with more integrity and in a way that actually would have probably made William quite envious.

I tend to agree. I also think that he was born into a role to which he was fundamentally unsuited.

This is the result. Always a risk with a hereditary monarchy.

OnTheRoadAgain1 · 06/01/2023 12:05

People are just taking tiny snippets to make headlines because it was leaked (and translated). No one can know the context until they read it in it's entirety. I don't see it any different than anyone else's memoir. I get people think it should be different because of the RF but clearly he does not and that's the whole point. They (mostly M) have been vilified for years. I'd imagine anyone would get sick of it.

It does annoy me how many people think they know how the Queen felt and how it 'ruined her last year'. No one has any idea what she thought or felt.

OnTheRoadAgain1 · 06/01/2023 12:06

Perhaps annoy is the wrong word. Bemuses me.

CoffeeBoy · 06/01/2023 12:07

Firstly money.

secondly validation. That he’s right and Wills, etc are wrong. That he’s a victim who is owed an apology

flapjackfairy · 06/01/2023 12:07

Latest revelations seem to be that he was proud of the fact that the palace lied to.the press to cover up his drug use as a teenager. so we know he is happy to.lie to cover his own arse ( ass ! ) when it suits by his own admission.
He also reveals Charles medical conditions and attachment to a teddy bear apparently.
What possible justification could he have to reveal someone's private medical information.
If this is true it is despicable in the extreme.

WimbyAce · 06/01/2023 12:08

It is indeed confusing as to what he hopes to achieve in all this. At the end if the day it is sad it has come to this. I do still have sympathy for him though when you see the photos of him as a little boy with his mum. Just so tragic what happened and is bound to have had a huge effect on his life. Have to be thankful the Queen has passed as this would have been horrendous for her. I kind of feel Charles is thick skinned enough to take it on the chin.

Purpleavocado · 06/01/2023 12:08

Honestly, I think he knows the more salacious it is, the more copies he sells, the more money he makes. I think he wants the money, and he wants to feel right and he believes the RF is wrong and he doesn't care if anyone else gets hurt.

bakalava · 06/01/2023 12:11

Perhaps it is a way of demonstrating how un-Royal he is with his shagging behind the pub garden, dick jokes and excesses. However, he will never be able to move away from that label or update it's meaning.

I am concerned that he is self-destructive and wanting to test the boundaries of the RF to see if they try to take him out as he believes they did to his mother. Failing that, goading the Taliban to get him instead. His paranoia and skewed perspectives seem to be completely untouched by any therapeutic interventions

IcedPurple · 06/01/2023 12:11

MarshaBradyo · 06/01/2023 11:55

Yes to this

It’s not much effort to tell a ghost writer your story, set up for life with sales

I really don't think he's going to be set up for life with this book. Certainly not for the lifestyle he feels he deserves.

I can't say I really know how publishing deals work, but I'm guessing even if the book sells really well, the most he will net will likely be several million. That would be a vast amount to me, but would be gone in a few years with his lifestyle.

Plus, what's next for him? From what we have seen, this book really isn't portraying him in a good light at all. I would say high profile people will be very wary of associating with someone so indiscreet and disloyal. Plus, many of the 'revelations' are making him the butt of jokes. He has no marketable skills so while he will profit short term with this book, I don't think it's a good move in the longer term.

FrownedUpon · 06/01/2023 12:13

Viviennemary · 06/01/2023 12:01

I think he is annoyed that it's business as usual with the royal family and it didn't implode when the megastars harry and meghan left. So is stirring up as much trouble as he can.

I agree. He hates that the Royal Family are getting on with it & doing well without him. His bitterness & jealousy are so obvious to see. He really is pathetic.