Surely this is the death knell for the Royal Family?

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Surely its now over for the Royal Family. Any notion that they are in some way special or noble is completely gone now. They have all gravitas of a problem family on Jeremy Kyle. Why would anyone bow to them or look up to them is beyond me. There is no longer anything regal about them!

That they want to pay respect to the longest reigning monarch in history? They want to experience the atmosphere of a huge national occasion? As long as it’s not compulsory I can’t see the problem.

It's not compulsory though, is it? I wouldn't camp out for a new iPhone, or gig tickets or get up at 5am for the Next sale but people do and if they're happy to then fair enough. It's not for me so I just don't do it.

Same as the people who queued to pay their respects to Pele last week or any other icon - that’s their personal choice.

😂😂😂 This is the funniest thing I've read in ages.

Yes - it's impressive but on another level incredibly as soulless. I've also been to Sandringham which is on a tiny scale compared to Versailles, but palpably a home, but with a fascinating and interesting social history.

They are clearly no better than us - yet they are not treated equally- let’s have an extremely pared down cheaper monarchy with the general acceptance that they’re good entertainment and not for revering 😃
Let them pay all their taxes too
I’m sure KC would be up for that!

If we accept that they’re not chosen by God, can we refresh the Coronation ceremony at the same time - so no anointing by holy oil by the Archbishop- particularly given KC’s history of infidelity. Even better- let’s completely separate monarchy from religion- we could have a humanist ceremony separating the coronation completely from religion - particularly as the last census in 2021 had less than 50% of the population stating they were Christians.

“Coronations emerged from a European tradition of increasing church involvement in the state, as well as the need to bring stability to often unstable societies in which several individuals had a claim to the throne. Central to the ceremony is the “unction”, the act of anointing a monarch with holy oil. This signals the conferment of God’s grace upon a ruler. Today, the United Kingdom is the only European monarchy to retain such a ceremony. The last one – for Queen Elizabeth II – took place on 2 June 1953.”
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9412/

Happyvalleyfan · Yesterday 23:32
If we accept that they’re not chosen by God, can we refresh the Coronation ceremony at the same time - so no anointing by holy oil by the Archbishop- particularly given KC’s history of infidelity. Even better- let’s completely separate monarchy from religion- we could have a humanist ceremony separating the coronation completely from religion - particularly as the last census in 2021 had less than 50% of the population stating they were Christians.

But it's all part of the "pretty" the "mystique". And it means something to Christians, the King being one. Atheists sing carols, take their kids to see a Crib.
As for Charles's infidelity, repentance followed by forgiveness is available to Christians too.
I feel sorry for Charles on this. He wanted to marry Camilla back when they were both in their 20s. BUT she was not a virgin - shock, horror! Wouldn't do at all, said Uncle Dickie, that pillar of sexual righteousness....

I considered going.

I am mildly republican, because the idea of being born into a position is rather ridiculous (though agree with the PP who points out that it is a lot easier to be 'against' something than come up with a realistic alternative, and coming uo with an alternative would be 100 times worse than Brexit). I've never watched a royal wedding, or camped out anywhere.

I didn't occur to me to queue to walk past a coffin, until my mother (also not a monarchist) said that she was thinking of going, and that she had gone to Winston Churchill's lying in state. I then seriously thought about going with her and my daughter - it was a national event and end of an era - my father was born the same year as the Queen and died a couple of years ago. He turned 18 and was called up in the last year of the Second World War, so we are coming to the end of that generation.

That idea was based on the assumption that the queues would die down, especially if we went in the middle of the night (we're in London) 😁so we didn't go in the end.

I would have bowed my head to the coffin. We live quite near a crematorium so occasionally a hearse goes past when I'm walking home - I stop and bow my head as a mark of respect, no idea whose funeral it is, but everyone is a human being and deserves that small moment.

Novella4 · Yesterday 14:35
BadgerB · Yesterday 13:18
Megan1992xx · 06/01/2023 19:09
Money should be paid to those countries which suffered slavery sponsored by the RF.
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You do know that Britain was one of the first countries to ban the slave trade? I think only Portugal was earlier. The British Navy lost many men and ships while policing the west coast of Africa, intercepting American slave traders.
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I'm afraid that's inaccurate
The 'royals' and the government continued to benefit financially from slavery long after they publicly called for abolition
The city of London was built on it
They used proxys like Brazil

I know nothing about this. Can you give me references, articles, books etc. please?

I think that if some people seriously want to be educated about slavery and the ramifications of slavery they should make a concerted effort to educate themselves.
A simple Google search would be the first step

Plans for the reform of the House of Lords are underway in the Labour Party

I agree it's all connected

Not really the right thread to get into it but it’s a terrible idea

Jesus - by what rationale can you say getting rid of the lazy 'scratch my back I'll scratch yours ' unelected 'lords' is a bad idea ?!

They aren't getting rid of a second chamber

There’s a very good thread in FWR going over reasons, better to take it off this RF thread as there are many and will derail.

Check it out if you’d like to read some v good posts

I never, ever thought I’d agree with you on anything but life’s full of surprises! I couldn’t agree more.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4685118-what-do-you-think-about-removing-the-house-of-lords?reply=122472166

Some very intelligent posters who cover all the reasons very well

No way. Deep down everyone wants them to have a little bit of disfunction. The Crown has been showing that a lot longer than H has been harping on about it and it only makes the public embrace them. I think they'll get a level of greater support now.

I wouldn’t use the words pretty and mystique to describe a religious ceremony and event that is going to cost us 10s of millions of pounds. There was nothing quaint about QE’s ceremony.

If we’re talking about Christian forgiveness - do you think KC will be welcoming PH back into the fold?

@Frankola and that’s truly tragic isn’t it? How desperate are we as a nation that this is the family we have to represent us on the world stage. Embarrassing.

There’s Christian forgiveness and sainthood. I don’t think the King would ever claim to be a saint - although I suspect he’s close after putting up with Harold’s shit for so many years.

What do you think it was like for a young boy to hear / read about his parents’ adultery and then see it all lead to his mother’s eventual death.

I’m not surprised it’s caused a significant amount of trauma- but despite this, PH has spoken about his love for his father. So if we’re talking about degrees of forgiveness…

But you’re right - the RF are not saints, and even PH could not continue not to defend himself and his wife from the press intrusion and supposed leaks..

Happyvalleyfan · Today 18:12
I wouldn’t use the words pretty and mystique to describe a religious ceremony and event that is going to cost us 10s of millions of pounds. There was nothing quaint about QE’s ceremony.
If we’re talking about Christian forgiveness - do you think KC will be welcoming PH back into the fold?

I used the words "pretty" & mystique" to describe the ceremony as it might be seen from a non-Christian point of view, since the previous poster had pointed out that few in Britain are now Christian. Obviously it has more meaning to Christians, including me.
QE's Coronation was wonderful - even on a B&W T.V,.& later in colour at the cinema. I was there!
And it could raise more money than it costs