Surely this is the death knell for the Royal Family?

[Woodenheart33]

Surely its now over for the Royal Family. Any notion that they are in some way special or noble is completely gone now. They have all gravitas of a problem family on Jeremy Kyle. Why would anyone bow to them or look up to them is beyond me. There is no longer anything regal about them!

I think he was around for a bit before this happened, so I don't feel too responsible.

Problem is that you haven’t read the book, you’re just commenting on what is being spoon fed to you by the tabloids.

I don't know what you mean about spoon feeding. I'm just commenting on what's on here. If the translation from Spanish is shit then I guess that's more a sad indictment of MFL teaching in the UK.

@MarshaBradyo

Due to the nature of the Royal Family as being a stoic institution where everything is hushed up, not spoken about and brushed under the carpet, how do you whistleblow on them if not through the media??

What I’ve taken away from the extracts more than anything is that it’s fascinating how many people both on Mumsnet and in the wider community have managed to justify domestic violence because they don’t like the victim or have argued it doesn’t count as DV because Harry could have fought back.

I have more respect for people who flatly say it didn’t happen and Harry is lying than I do for the people who accept it happened but think DV in that particular circumstance is just fine because they don’t like the victim. I think it illustrates the way non-famous victims of DV are treated by friends and family when they leave an abuser despite posters on Mumsnet saying they would never support someone who assaulted his family.

Also, while the book isn’t going down well with British tabloids or the average RF supporting Daily Mail reader, they don’t like H&M anyway and the reaction isn’t surprising (and I’m sure was expected by H&M). I will be interested to see how it goes down with their actual target audience which I think is the US and people who generally don’t support the RF.

BellaCiao1 "I support they but these threads are exhausting. The people who hate them have that much distain for them it is impossible to have any sort of balanced conversation.

William and Kate have been painted into some sort of sainthood and people refuse to deviate from this opinion.

As I said previously, Harry said he wanted a family, not an institution. His father and brother have picked the latter."

Totally agree with you @BellaCiao1.

I know I'm splitting hairs here, but an attack when you are a visitor to someone else's home (even when you are related to the occupant) would not usually be classed as DV.

I think most posters simply don't believe Harry's account (or are not sure what he said - no hitting, no shoving, what really happened?) and think that what remains is so unclear that it might not usually be described as violent at all.

William and Kate have been painted into some sort of sainthood and people refuse to deviate from this opinion

Only one of the extracts published so far is about Kate, and I think it's utterly wrong to seek to pit women against each other.

There are Harry's words describing his actions - through a ghostwriter, but with his full approval and he voiced the audio book himself)

Lets let the buck stop where it belong - him.

He's getting panned for misjudgements. And his misjudgements on what to include are nothing whatsoever to do with other members of RF

Whistle blower is stretching it 😬

I’m sure we all need to know re his tmi details for that

Except that its idiosyncratic infrastructure crashes longer threads with annoying regularity. It was better in that regard before the upgrade, and I really hope it gets sorted out soon - heaven knows the threads in site issues go back months!

The numbers who are exposed via bits and bobs from the media, memes their mates send them etc will be much, much higher

If he'd kept his bits and bobs out of it, it wouldn't have been such a laughing stock!

Whistle-blow on what? So far, nothing he's said suggests that any of the people he's talking about have done anything illegal, with the possible exception of the altercation with William and we have only one side of that.

That's where he's falling down. He seems to be trying to show up the Royal Family, but it's all personal stuff. He's not using any of his knowledge to analyse what's wrong with it institutionally or why the country shouldn't have it. It's all personal grievances. To what authority do you whistleblow for that?

And anyway, his entire occupation now seems to be capitalising on being a royal, so why would he want to bring them down? He hates the royal system but he won't go any other route to earn his keep so he needs them. But why on earth do they need him?

Touche.

But I think you're right though. None of the stories relating to his penis are likely to be particularly helpful to Harry. Because they're such obvious tabloid joke fodder. People can complain about Murdoch etc all they want, but that's how a huge portion of this (no pun intended) is going to be consumed.

I think most posters simply don't believe Harry's account (or are not sure what he said - no hitting, no shoving, what really happened?) and think that what remains is so unclear that it might not usually be described as violent at all.

Yes I agree with this. I feel the same about the Kate/baby brain stuff. Hopefully when the English version comes out all will become clearer.

What do you think all the distancing statements were about?

This has given the RF an advantage equivalent to several years of top quality PR.

That's where he's falling down. He seems to be trying to show up the Royal Family, but it's all personal stuff. He's not using any of his knowledge to analyse what's wrong with it institutionally or why the country shouldn't have it.

He's not got the brains, for one thing. Actually that's probably why there are the dick related anecdotes in there: that's Harry's lane.

But also, of course he's not going to try and argue that the country shouldn't have a royal family. Because that's not what he thinks at all, and it's clearly not in his interests either. Continued connection to the head of state is his meal ticket.

Hence he can make criticisms of the institution on the basis of racism and misogyny, but he couldn't do the same for classism. Because it's at least theoretically possible to retain the institution whilst not discriminating on the basis of skin colour, and I think if it does carry on long enough there'll probably be more members who aren't white sooner or later. But it can't exist without classism.

Where's the shame? All families have dirty spats. This just shows that one side is willing to sell every tidbit for cash and one isn't

If anything it makes me support W&K more because we know they can't defend themselves. It's relentless baiting from the H&M that they won't ever rise to. Constant malicious attacks against your character that don't have any evidence or proof, isn't that...bullying?

Jesus

'Can't defend themselves' ?!
Every tabloid is fed stores from every 'royal ' office
They do little else!
Don't have the guts to put their names to it though

'Palace sources'

Where's the proof?

That's the main reason he's writing this book FFS

To get his version out .
I suspect if the 'stallion' story is in it - it's to prevent KP and BH using it against him

To get his version out .

But that isn't proof.

Haha at this. He does have fans who believe this kind of thing

My absolute favourite which went unremarked on :

'Palace sources insist there are no place sources'

Except they are defending themselves, at length. Almost all ‘royal sources’ are authorised.

Jeremy Clarkson would never have made the comments he did if he thought it would get him cut off from hobnobbing with the RF. Do I think he was told what to say? No. Do I think it was made clear to him there would be no blowback from the RF if he trashed Meghan? Oh, yes.

As you say, constant malicious attacks against your character with no evidence or proof are bullying and that’s exactly what the tabloids have been doing to H&M for years with the RF at the very best refusing to help them and at the worst actively planting stories against them.

@MarshaBradyo
I'm no fan of any of the 'royal' family
And the low effort name calling royalist posts I see here confirm every belief I have about most of the sort of people who support this corrupt greedy mess they call 'royals'

I found it funny that anyone would think the stallion story had to be said so someone else wouldn’t say it

It’s too silly and far fetched

Amusing though