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He has gone after Camilla....

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thebellagio · 05/01/2023 13:22

The Sun have got hold of a copy of the book that was accidently put on sale in Spain. They are clearly skimming it as fast as possible with a translator. They are reporting that W&H begged KC not to marry C, and that he thought she was leaking stories to the press.

Bloody hell.

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Roussette · 05/01/2023 19:37

healthadvice123 · 05/01/2023 19:33

@Roussette but they have made many public claims about things , are doing chat shows , series , books etc
With that comes consequences and people will form an opinion
You don't know any of the RF either yet you have opinions
I agree some go too far but if you want to say someone comes across as x.y.z you can and people can and do have opinions
Mp's you would have no issue calling names yet you don't personally know them either

I have no problem with opinions and decent discussion. But when it's just endless pathetic nicknames (MeAgain, Meegain, Harkles, JCMH and worse etc) and on and on unpleasant posts about them, it is not relevant and impossible to debate.

What do you mean about MP's? I don't know what you mean. It wasn't me that was calling Keir Starmer Keith. Or whatever.

Rhondaa · 05/01/2023 19:37

'She is judged by her actions and her words and she is called a money grabbing / fame hungry narcissist. I don't think she's healthy for Harry and they are both constantly thrusting themselves into the spotlight, making inflammatory statements and changing their stories'

Yep. It must be hard for supporters to see his current crazy oversharing and still try to convince themselves 'yeah but, not but it's the media!/the rf!/a conspiracy innit'.

When will the penny drop?!

lightand · 05/01/2023 19:38

I have actually lost sight of what he is doing it all for.

For Meghan?
For money?
It is carthartic?
He thinks if he airs absolutely everything, the public of the world will love him?
His publisher/film maker/Meghan/some higher up power/the cat, told him to?
Thinks the US will take him to their hearts?

Like I say, I have personally lost sight.

Like I may have said before, what he and Meghan really need to do is forgive people.
Even the fight thing today, William said sorry, but yet it is still all aired. And pondered/mused about presumably.

Roussette · 05/01/2023 19:39

healthadvice123 · 05/01/2023 19:35

@Roussette ahh but why you don't know him personally you have no idea how much is true or not ?

Ditto you about the RF. There's a lot of secrecy there.

healthadvice123 · 05/01/2023 19:39

@Roussette yes the name calling is a bit childish

MrsMaxDeWinter · 05/01/2023 19:41

@lemmein @Roussette @Coucous @Novella4

You know I work in translation, so I am really gobsmacked to see the DM casually translating at speed a Spanish text with no nuance and publishing bits of it as a literal, and not literary, translation, completely out of context. The Afghanistan tour of duty for instance, as reported in the DM and discussed here, is completely different from how Sky, who clearly have better translators, have reported it. His comments according to Sky are sombre and reflective, not boastful at all, speaking, as any thoughtful soldier does, about the pitiful necessity of war. The number 25 is one he forced himself to confront as part of taking accountability for his actions. Here is how Sky translated it.

“Most soldiers don't know exactly how many kills they have ... Under battle conditions, you often fire indiscriminately however in the age of Apaches and laptops, everything I did in the course of two tours of duty was recorded and time-stamped. I could always tell exactly how many enemy combatants I'd killed and it seemed essential for me not to be afraid of that figure. Among the many things I learned in the armed forces one of the most important was to be accountable for my own actions. So my number, 25. It was not something that filled me with satisfaction but I was not ashamed either. Naturally I would have preferred not to have that figure on my military resume or in my head but I would also have preferred to live in a world without the Taliban, a world without war.”

Those horrified by 25 insurgents killed by Harry may want to know that in the war, US and UK forces killed 245 000, of whom about 70 000 were civilians. Looking forward to the many outraged Mumsnet threads about UK/US soldiers killing this many.

healthadvice123 · 05/01/2023 19:42

@Roussette i don't claim to but i can have an opinion on how I think they come across or how the series was or the book etc as its been put out by them
There are secrets in most families no doubt and agin thats something you are guessing you have no proof
Your contradicting yourself telling people not to say things about people they don't know personally but doing the same
I personally thought they would be good for the RF at first but the more that has gone on the more against them i am , well actually more Harry , Meghan didn't know what she was getting into quite clearly as was ill prepared

lemmein · 05/01/2023 19:46

healthadvice123 · 05/01/2023 19:30

@lemmein you have obviously never been on any prince andrew threads
They are still keeping themselves relevant and for someone that is a republican you really do stock up for H & M a lot which makes zero sense for a republican

I don't think you understand my point. It's not about H&M; unlike the majority of their haters I didn't even watch the OW interview. I've only seen bits of their Netflix doc, I've never listened to their podcasts. I just don't like the narrative around them - H&M evillllll - W&K saints; it's bizarre to have so much hate for people you don't know. By the same token worshipping people you don't know is equally odd, wouldn't you agree? Confused

Like I've already said, even though I'm a republican I don't dislike any of the royals (apart from PA!) I don't know them, and understand that all royal news gets to the public through the media filters. W&K might well by saints for all I know, Meghan might crush kittens for shits and giggles, who knows? Well, none of us, and that's my point - the amount of vitriol directed at them is mind-boggling and as the vast majority of us don't know them those strong opinions can only have come from the media.

Blossomtoes · 05/01/2023 19:46

I have actually lost sight of what he is doing it all for.

I think he has too.

healthadvice123 · 05/01/2023 19:47

@MrsMaxDeWinter i did wonder in the context but still don't think jts necessarily the best thing fi put the number
Everyone is aware soldiers kill and on both sides the uk/us were not without casualties
But its also the position he is in , he is!'t joe bloggs the soldier

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 05/01/2023 19:48

lightand · 05/01/2023 19:38

I have actually lost sight of what he is doing it all for.

For Meghan?
For money?
It is carthartic?
He thinks if he airs absolutely everything, the public of the world will love him?
His publisher/film maker/Meghan/some higher up power/the cat, told him to?
Thinks the US will take him to their hearts?

Like I say, I have personally lost sight.

Like I may have said before, what he and Meghan really need to do is forgive people.
Even the fight thing today, William said sorry, but yet it is still all aired. And pondered/mused about presumably.

He's doing it because he's bitter, he needs the money and is more that a little bit dim.

DeliberatelyObtuse · 05/01/2023 19:48

lightand · 05/01/2023 19:38

I have actually lost sight of what he is doing it all for.

For Meghan?
For money?
It is carthartic?
He thinks if he airs absolutely everything, the public of the world will love him?
His publisher/film maker/Meghan/some higher up power/the cat, told him to?
Thinks the US will take him to their hearts?

Like I say, I have personally lost sight.

Like I may have said before, what he and Meghan really need to do is forgive people.
Even the fight thing today, William said sorry, but yet it is still all aired. And pondered/mused about presumably.

I really think he's unwell

He's being exploited by those around him

I can't believe nobody said "don't do this" but then again those people he surrounds himself with will all profit from this complete car crash

Americano75 · 05/01/2023 19:49

I can easily believe it after her appearance at that event in London the other week with Morgan and Clarkson also in attendance. This is a woman who allegedly actively encouraged the match with Diana and Charles, because she thought that this 19 year old girl was a bit dim and easy to manipulate. Good on him, they'd done a nice job rehabilitating her image but looks like that'll take a bit of a dent now.

Rhondaa · 05/01/2023 19:49

MrsMaxDeWinter · 05/01/2023 19:41

@lemmein @Roussette @Coucous @Novella4

You know I work in translation, so I am really gobsmacked to see the DM casually translating at speed a Spanish text with no nuance and publishing bits of it as a literal, and not literary, translation, completely out of context. The Afghanistan tour of duty for instance, as reported in the DM and discussed here, is completely different from how Sky, who clearly have better translators, have reported it. His comments according to Sky are sombre and reflective, not boastful at all, speaking, as any thoughtful soldier does, about the pitiful necessity of war. The number 25 is one he forced himself to confront as part of taking accountability for his actions. Here is how Sky translated it.

“Most soldiers don't know exactly how many kills they have ... Under battle conditions, you often fire indiscriminately however in the age of Apaches and laptops, everything I did in the course of two tours of duty was recorded and time-stamped. I could always tell exactly how many enemy combatants I'd killed and it seemed essential for me not to be afraid of that figure. Among the many things I learned in the armed forces one of the most important was to be accountable for my own actions. So my number, 25. It was not something that filled me with satisfaction but I was not ashamed either. Naturally I would have preferred not to have that figure on my military resume or in my head but I would also have preferred to live in a world without the Taliban, a world without war.”

Those horrified by 25 insurgents killed by Harry may want to know that in the war, US and UK forces killed 245 000, of whom about 70 000 were civilians. Looking forward to the many outraged Mumsnet threads about UK/US soldiers killing this many.

I don't think anyone is horrified by those killed in war. That is sadly what happens. But why say it, why put a number to his 'kills'. It is grotesque, stupid and I would suggest provocative to anyone with extremist views.

healthadvice123 · 05/01/2023 19:51

@lemmein but they are the one selling their life no one else at present
I guarantee you have formed opinions about people you don't know
But at no point have you said that seems silly of Harry to of said yet claim to not stand up for them
Im a true believer of two sides to every story and then the truth etc
But they are selling themselves out to the people they hate the most the press and that just seems quite sad really , cutting off family
No need to sell stories about your family when you have criticised your wifes family for doing the same , so I don't think its unfair to think that makes them hypocrites
Even for people to like them they have to form an opinion on them , most will never
personally know them

Many people worship famous people who they don't know or dislike them because they have read about them
Thats how it works

Emotionalsupportviper · 05/01/2023 19:52

thebellagio · 05/01/2023 13:22

The Sun have got hold of a copy of the book that was accidently put on sale in Spain. They are clearly skimming it as fast as possible with a translator. They are reporting that W&H begged KC not to marry C, and that he thought she was leaking stories to the press.

Bloody hell.

he thought she was leaking stories to the press.

And they say that irony is dead . . .

healthadvice123 · 05/01/2023 19:52

@Janiie that is the thing you put it better than I did

healthadvice123 · 05/01/2023 19:54

@Americano75 what because he said him and wills begged him not to marry ? I don't think so plus they both attended the wedding so guess put that one to bed

Roussette · 05/01/2023 19:55

healthadvice123 · 05/01/2023 19:42

@Roussette i don't claim to but i can have an opinion on how I think they come across or how the series was or the book etc as its been put out by them
There are secrets in most families no doubt and agin thats something you are guessing you have no proof
Your contradicting yourself telling people not to say things about people they don't know personally but doing the same
I personally thought they would be good for the RF at first but the more that has gone on the more against them i am , well actually more Harry , Meghan didn't know what she was getting into quite clearly as was ill prepared

I speak about the words that came out of his mouth, for instance in the Docuseries. I don't know Harry personally of course not, but I'd rather listen to what he actually says than fodder from the DM (not insinuating you read the DM but lots do!)

Cue what has been said many a time... no one believes anything he says. But it's better than taking what the likes of Levin, Wootton, Morgan say and a recent article linked on another thread by Julie Burchill... I mean... Julie Burchill?!

Mirabai · 05/01/2023 19:55

MrsMaxDeWinter · 05/01/2023 19:41

@lemmein @Roussette @Coucous @Novella4

You know I work in translation, so I am really gobsmacked to see the DM casually translating at speed a Spanish text with no nuance and publishing bits of it as a literal, and not literary, translation, completely out of context. The Afghanistan tour of duty for instance, as reported in the DM and discussed here, is completely different from how Sky, who clearly have better translators, have reported it. His comments according to Sky are sombre and reflective, not boastful at all, speaking, as any thoughtful soldier does, about the pitiful necessity of war. The number 25 is one he forced himself to confront as part of taking accountability for his actions. Here is how Sky translated it.

“Most soldiers don't know exactly how many kills they have ... Under battle conditions, you often fire indiscriminately however in the age of Apaches and laptops, everything I did in the course of two tours of duty was recorded and time-stamped. I could always tell exactly how many enemy combatants I'd killed and it seemed essential for me not to be afraid of that figure. Among the many things I learned in the armed forces one of the most important was to be accountable for my own actions. So my number, 25. It was not something that filled me with satisfaction but I was not ashamed either. Naturally I would have preferred not to have that figure on my military resume or in my head but I would also have preferred to live in a world without the Taliban, a world without war.”

Those horrified by 25 insurgents killed by Harry may want to know that in the war, US and UK forces killed 245 000, of whom about 70 000 were civilians. Looking forward to the many outraged Mumsnet threads about UK/US soldiers killing this many.

Very interesting thanks.

Americano75 · 05/01/2023 19:57

healthadvice123 · 05/01/2023 19:54

@Americano75 what because he said him and wills begged him not to marry ? I don't think so plus they both attended the wedding so guess put that one to bed

Did you mean to tag me? I'm not sure your response marries up with what I was saying, but then I'm knackered so possibly I'm being dense!

Emotionalsupportviper · 05/01/2023 19:57

Rowthe · 05/01/2023 13:50

Hes going after Kate, Wills and Camilla.

He is trying to stay in KC's favour.

He is trying to stay in KC's favour.

Not altogether sure he's going the right way about it, TBH.

Mirabai · 05/01/2023 19:58

Rhondaa · 05/01/2023 19:37

'She is judged by her actions and her words and she is called a money grabbing / fame hungry narcissist. I don't think she's healthy for Harry and they are both constantly thrusting themselves into the spotlight, making inflammatory statements and changing their stories'

Yep. It must be hard for supporters to see his current crazy oversharing and still try to convince themselves 'yeah but, not but it's the media!/the rf!/a conspiracy innit'.

When will the penny drop?!

Fair point.

I do recall a random interview with him on TV news talking about his time in the army and on one how manoeuvre they had to pee in pots as they had no time for toilet breaks. I realised he had absolutely no filter and equally no guile - he was just completely open.

Roussette · 05/01/2023 19:59

Rhondaa · 05/01/2023 19:49

I don't think anyone is horrified by those killed in war. That is sadly what happens. But why say it, why put a number to his 'kills'. It is grotesque, stupid and I would suggest provocative to anyone with extremist views.

For once I agree with you. He could've talked about having to kill as an active soldier, and how it weighed on his mind, but the number was out of order and he shouldn't have done that.

healthadvice123 · 05/01/2023 19:59

@Roussette and I don't believe everything he says some has been proven incorrect , I don't think its all lies either
And then there are stories said from both sides the same people who were there but a very different story of how they see it / remembered
But your contradicting yourself many people watched the documentaries etc and formed their own opinion the DM is really not that influential for the vast majority
Also some of his latest releases , just why ?
But if you make a documentary and write books you can not expect everyone to take your side and see only your view
Its often why celebrities say nothing at times to stories as it goes away quicker

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