Page 19 | Harry alleges/describes William physically attacking him in 2019

Rinoachicken · 2023-01-05T00:10:31+00:00

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/04/prince-harry-william-physical-attack-2019-meghan-spare-book?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other Not really sure what to make of this tbh…

HotChoxs · 05/01/2023 08:04

RhymeHasAReason · 05/01/2023 08:01

No and that’s my point. My cousin was completely taken off guard. She never thought her child would be violent to her.

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Yes, was your cousin six foot, 100k, built, trained for combat, and deployed in situations of extreme violence?

I mean of course it could have happened just very unlikely.

gettingolderandgrumpier · 05/01/2023 08:04

andweallsingalong · 05/01/2023 07:56

Surprised at all the excuses and justification on this thread.

Surely any violence is wrong. Doubly so in the face of a power impalance and intermingled family with livelihood.

Given all the proven lies and half truths from H&M there may be more to the story and given the statement of fact it would be wise for the Palace to reply if there was, for example, some preceding violence / aggression from Harry, but in the absence of that I would have expected to see a thread mixed with wait and see along with condemnation for William's actions.

But you’ve only got one version of events and most likely you will only get one version of events and Harry knows this .
whatever is true / lies/ embellished/ exaggerated who knows but imo they M&H like playing the victim they relish in it
I find it odd they want to make money from ‘ poor Harry & Megan they have been treated so badly by everyone .
I’m sorry I have a difficult relationship with my dad I’m nc but if I was a celebrity I still wouldn’t sell a book on my family because it’s my business and I don’t play the victim.
No sympathy for them whatsoever.

Serenster · 05/01/2023 08:05

Surely any violence is wrong. Doubly so in the face of a power impalance and intermingled family with livelihood.

Yes, of course it is. It doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen though, because people are human and in some circumstances, fuelled by fury or other strong emotions, they react in ways in which they would not choose to do if they were able to dispassionately consider the situation. Given that, if the violence used is not out of proportion to the situation, its generally regarded as regrettable rather than a permanent moral stain.

I’m not sure I see a power imbalance in a situation two fully grown male siblings, both with military training, having an argument? Worth pointing out here that Harry has also previously been in trouble for assaulting a photographer (he pushed his camera equipment forcefully into his face and cut his lip). And let’s not forget that the Princes’ mother was reported to have slapped her father and pushed her stepmother down a flight of stairs because she was so upset about the prospect of them marrying.

BestKnitterInScotland · 05/01/2023 08:05

How long does he have to be in California before he can apply for US Naturalization? Is it still 10 years?

Agree - on one hand it's "i want my family back" and on the other "my brother assaulted me". Well he's not going to want to be your buddy now, Harold. Hope she's worth it.

C8H10N4O2 · 05/01/2023 08:06

Rinoachicken · 05/01/2023 01:22

The way he describes it he’s a vulnerable vit fleeing to the kitchen to escape an abuser.

Like others have said, I can well believe things got physical between the brothers, who both were angry at the time.

We only have Harry’s version here, his version of what William said to him. I would be very interested to know what he said to William also. There have been many times where he has opened his mouth and my instinctive thought has been ‘oh fuck off you pompous twat’. The argument won’t have been only one way - it takes two to argue.

But to imply he is the helpless victim of an abusive older sibling, defenceless and scared - sorry no. I’m not buying that narrative - it’s incredibly manipulative and insulting to actual victims of abuse.

I've read as much as you have - the quotes in the Grauniad. Its a spat between brothers, nothing unusual about siblings falling out. William's sense of entitlement is fairly legendary - again not surprising considering his upbringing.

The Palace press offices and PR machines are huge and are focused on protecting the core firm. They have long history of briefing against royals further down the chain when it suits the direct line of succession. We have had Williams spin on things repeatedly via all those endless "sources close to the palace" and fake photo opportunities of the Cambridges pretending to lfy charter with rictus grins and claims about Meghan's behaviour. In fact from the main press we get little else but William's spin on the disagreements.

SnowlayRoundabout · 05/01/2023 08:06

andweallsingalong · 05/01/2023 07:56

Surprised at all the excuses and justification on this thread.

Surely any violence is wrong. Doubly so in the face of a power impalance and intermingled family with livelihood.

Given all the proven lies and half truths from H&M there may be more to the story and given the statement of fact it would be wise for the Palace to reply if there was, for example, some preceding violence / aggression from Harry, but in the absence of that I would have expected to see a thread mixed with wait and see along with condemnation for William's actions.

Given that you acknowledge that this is certainly not the full story, why do you expect everyone to leap in and condemn William? We don't know if this account is true so it may not have happened at all or, more likely, it's a massive embellishment of something very different. And you can't say that "any violence" is wrong whatever the circumstances - what if the reality is that it was self-defence?

Theunamedcat · 05/01/2023 08:06

So why was he taunting William asking him why he wasn't content to be the spare and asking him why he was acting like an heir the throne was always going to William

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 05/01/2023 08:07

Can't blame him if he did, TBH.

Only surprised it only happened once, If I were William or Kate I wold seriously be contemplating lamping him again.

Ricco12 · 05/01/2023 08:08

I mean some siblings fight , it's not unusual.

My older sisters had a fight and one got thrown through the Christmas tree (they were both well into their 20's)

Shit happens

Snowmoab · 05/01/2023 08:10

BestKnitterInScotland · 05/01/2023 08:05

How long does he have to be in California before he can apply for US Naturalization? Is it still 10 years?

Agree - on one hand it's "i want my family back" and on the other "my brother assaulted me". Well he's not going to want to be your buddy now, Harold. Hope she's worth it.

He wants a family and not an institution but doesn't he realise families don't broadcast their issues and dirty laundry in public? What he claims to want is at odds with his behaviour; but he will claim victimhood when he doesn't get his own way despite doing nothing to reach that point.

PicturesOfDogs · 05/01/2023 08:10

If I were William, I wouldn’t respond.
Although if I did, I would say something like ‘the inconsistencies speak for themselves’

snapdragon12 · 05/01/2023 08:11

Comparing this kitchen spat between a soldier who killed people in armed
combat and his brother and female victims of domestic violence, is grim.

potniatheron · 05/01/2023 08:11

I can believe there was a tussle, but I don't believe it happened as described because that's not how actual fights (as opposed to Hollywood movie fights) work at all.

Sluj · 05/01/2023 08:12

I find the quote that Charles implored them both not to make his final years a misery very telling.
Whoever is to blame for all this, how sad that Harry can hear that from his Dad, take no notice and go ahead and detail it in his book. Its almost as if he didn't understand what Charles was asking. Most people would be chastised or embarrassed and not crowing about it in a book like it was an achievement. I think it shows he really doesn't care what this is doing to Charles.

Vermin · 05/01/2023 08:12

I’m re reading the actual wording and there is no direct accusation of violence; the language used about the incident itself is loose enough to cover at its most benign William putting his hand on Harry’s shoulder and (eg) Harry shrinking away because he doesn’t want to be touched, tripping backwards and catching / breaking the necklace. All injury is confirmed to have been caused by the dog bowl, not by William.
the only direct accusation of “attack” is Harry’s own word used in the phone all AFTER the incident, and he acknowledges that William says he didn’t attack him.
mid there was actual violence, that language would be much stronger.
this book will have had the most careful libel read available to the publishing industry.
this is the highlight incident of the entire book as selected by the Guardian and still the carefully chosen words - designed for greatest impact - don’t directly claim violence other than by the dog bowl. My cat has knocked me to the floor in the past, in a comedic manner, and entirely without violence. Two large men in a tiny space? Language this light touch around the biggest new story in the book? If it could have been worded any stronger and made it through the libel read, it would have been.

Spanielsarepainless · 05/01/2023 08:12

Ooh, brothers fight. Big news. Yawn.

Meltinthemiddle · 05/01/2023 08:12

Jeeze they are doing exactly what Megan's family did her selling their stories to the press. H is no better then M father Tom Markle. Ironic.

TooGood2BeFalse · 05/01/2023 08:13

This whole drama just proves that money can't buy you class.

Wouldn't dream of airing my dirty laundry on Facebook, let alone the world stage (not that anybody would give a shiny shite..😁)

PicturesOfDogs · 05/01/2023 08:13

Snowmoab · 05/01/2023 08:10

He wants a family and not an institution but doesn't he realise families don't broadcast their issues and dirty laundry in public? What he claims to want is at odds with his behaviour; but he will claim victimhood when he doesn't get his own way despite doing nothing to reach that point.

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He doesn’t want a family it seems.
He wants them to capitulate to him, whilst showing no accountability for his part.

I’ve yet to see one time he’s acknowledged any wrong doing.

Even the ‘biggest mistake he ever made’ (dressing as a Nazi) he’s now blaming William for.

And I’ve heard for years that William made him do it, so leaks are certainly nothing new for Harry.

No wonder he’s so well acquainted with how the leaking process works. It’s clearly his bread and butter

the80sweregreat · 05/01/2023 08:14

I do agree that if you replaced Meghan or any other female in this scenario, then it would be a completely different thread and response
I can't believe that Harry wouldn't have stood up to him though , which was my only thought initially to be honest.

EdithWeston · 05/01/2023 08:14

Twattergy · 05/01/2023 08:00

Maybe there will be another 'recollections may vary' type statement?
I find it really sad tbh. I believe most of what Harry and Meghan have shared publicly, but I do think as a family it'd be so much better if this stuff wasn't aired in public as entertainment and instead resolved privately.

I don't think there need be any further statement

And yes, I think they will be invited to the coronation.

napody · 05/01/2023 08:14

Rinoachicken · 05/01/2023 01:27

A few hundred years back, he’d have been thrown in the tower - I’d say being thrown in the dog food is getting off lightly!

😂

DillDanding · 05/01/2023 08:16

No coming back from this.

I’ve always suspected William is an arse.

PolkaDotMankini · 05/01/2023 08:16

ArcaneWireless · 05/01/2023 01:46

I have fallen arse first on a ceramic dog bowl. Our old dog used to take a mouthful of water away with her. Dripping all the way.

I can confirm. The bowl won and I’m a heifer.

And had a very deep purple ring shaped bruise on my heifer sized arse for weeks.

Dog bowls owned by princes are probably fine bone china rather than Mason Cash.

PicturesOfDogs · 05/01/2023 08:16

Vermin · 05/01/2023 08:12

I’m re reading the actual wording and there is no direct accusation of violence; the language used about the incident itself is loose enough to cover at its most benign William putting his hand on Harry’s shoulder and (eg) Harry shrinking away because he doesn’t want to be touched, tripping backwards and catching / breaking the necklace. All injury is confirmed to have been caused by the dog bowl, not by William.
the only direct accusation of “attack” is Harry’s own word used in the phone all AFTER the incident, and he acknowledges that William says he didn’t attack him.
mid there was actual violence, that language would be much stronger.
this book will have had the most careful libel read available to the publishing industry.
this is the highlight incident of the entire book as selected by the Guardian and still the carefully chosen words - designed for greatest impact - don’t directly claim violence other than by the dog bowl. My cat has knocked me to the floor in the past, in a comedic manner, and entirely without violence. Two large men in a tiny space? Language this light touch around the biggest new story in the book? If it could have been worded any stronger and made it through the libel read, it would have been.

He blatantly tripped over the dog bowl.

I want to know what insults they shared. That’s more interesting to me that William ‘acted like an heir’ (What does that even mean?)