Page 4 | Weren't Harry and Meghan briefing too?

chocolatemonster1 · 2023-01-03T21:20:59+00:00

One thing that struck me in the Netflix series was the "Sandringham summit". Harry said that there was a story about how he was bullied by Prince William/Charles, and Buckingham Palace responded by putting out a statement saying that was nonsense. In the Netflix series, Harry said that Meghan burst into tears because the Palace was basically lying. But... Who briefed the original story? It obviously wasn't Buckingham Palace because why would they want that story out there? And it does seem to be suspiciously well-aligned with the Harry/Meghan version of events. So is it ok for their people to brief out stories, but unacceptable for the Palace to put out statements? And does it ever occur to them that their point of view might not be the only one?

HappinesDependsOnYou · 04/01/2023 15:44

I think he is a very traumatised man. The death of his mother and then going to a war zone has clearly caused him a lot of turmoil. It seems he is trauma bonded to his wife who he is portraying as Diana the 2nd. They may well be in love, they may well be happy and lovely people but the little lies cast doubt on their bigger claims and the constant comparison from him to Diana is exhausting. His brother suffered too as did Dodi's family and the Spencers. I cannot see what the royal family would gain from killing her or even trying to hurt her. Surely they would have bumped Camilla off years before if that's their style or even Wallice Simpson!

QueenSmartypants · 04/01/2023 15:46

mynameisnotkate · 04/01/2023 15:17

As someone who was driving throughout the 90s, in my experience not wearing a seatbelt in the back was definitely unusual.

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As someone who was a passenger in cars throughout the 90s, wearing seat belts in tje back seats was totally normal. I remember the campaign to extend the practice to mini buses and coaches after that awful school trip accident.

smilesy · 04/01/2023 15:55

@Serenster the seat belt law was extended in the UK in 1991 to make rear seat belts compulsory too. Were you being a bit naughty?😂😂

Serenster · 04/01/2023 16:17

Posdibly! Although I actually wasn’t living in the UK until later in the 90s, so that may have been the reason for the difference in experience.

Be that as it may, here’s a photo of Diana taken as Henry Paul drove away from the Ritz - you can see she’s actually sitting side on, with her back to the window. It wouldn’t be possible to sit like that and wear a seatbelt.

MissMarpleRocks · 04/01/2023 16:23

it wasn’t even the law to wear seatbelts in the front when I started driving. I remember people laughing at me for wearing one in the back before it became law.

smilesy · 04/01/2023 16:29

The fact that they weren’t wearing seat belts suggests that Henri Paul was not experienced in evasive driving. Surely anyone who was would want their passengers to wear seat belts if there was any possibility of having to make a high speed getaway 🤷‍♀️

AutumnCrow · 04/01/2023 16:39

Yes, if the decision has been made to drive at speed in a powerful car to try to outrun a threat (in this case paparazzi on motorbikes), everyone buckles up prior to acceleration.

MrsFinkelstein · 04/01/2023 18:09

Radaronline (so take with a massive pinch of salt) are adamant that it was H&M themselves who leaked their whereabouts to the Press when they were staying in Tyler Perry's house, which lead to drones flying over the grounds.

They say they have LAPD records (via FOI request) showing the leak came from their team.

radaronline.com/p/meghan-markle-prince-harry-secret-lapd-files-planted-stories-queen-elizabeth/

"A source told Sykes the couple had “been coping with ‘unimaginable’ levels of press intrusion at their temporary new home” — the eight-bedroom, 12-bathroom Tuscan-style villa owned by their friend, Tyler Perry.

As a result, The Daily Beast reported the pair “intend(ed) to hire their own security team, paid for by themselves.”

In the final three-episode installment of their bombshell Netflix series Harry & Meghan, Harry was recorded on the couple’s home cameras declaring, “It’s almost five in the morning. Archie’s waking up because of this.”

Markle was also heard saying, “Oh my god. They are just circling. What is wrong with these people?"

But RadarOnline.com can reveal a spokesperson for the royal outcasts were the ones who spewed the story to Sykes.

opinionssoughtplease · 04/01/2023 20:07

saffronrabbit · 04/01/2023 07:30

Harry is unhealthily paranoid.

Every time a negative story broke about Meghan he saw it as racist, untrue and planted. According to him whole world were plotting against her and she was perfect.

They have no self awareness whatsoever and refuse to see that some of her actions were putting people off, and upsetting people. She was difficult to get on with.

It's murky waters though, they aren't all wrong, because some of the negative press did happen because of racism, or at least because she was so different....American, older, divorced, outspoken actress etc. (I am ashamed to say I found her annoying, their engagement interview grated on me...all the giggling, hair tossing and clinging to him, claiming to not have known anything about him didn't ring true, that was unkind of me she was probably just nervous and excited)

There's was also lots of support for her, and plenty of positive press too. The palace did stand up for her and several statements were released in early days. I think the RF we're doing their best. They refuse to see or acknowledge that though. Harry wanted immediate adoration for her, like he was feeling.

He can't ever see her doing anything wrong, in his eyes she is perfect, and everyone is jealous of her, he has unhealthy morphed her into his mother in his mind. And he is confronted with the trauma of losing Diana. He cannot fathom why she is picked on and judged - the only explanation in his head is that it's because of her race and that the RF are jealous of her and see her as a threat.

Harry is a vulnerable, traumatised man, he isn't very bright and I believe used to having his messes mopped up for him by the RF, he was adored no matter how 'cheeky' of misguided his behaviour and just cannot seem to self reflect or have any sort of self awareness.

Agree completely

MarshaMelrose · 04/01/2023 20:17

@MrsFinkelstein
That's very interesting, thank you.
From Radaronline...
HAMs spokesperson, credited as a friend, said.. "Meghan received racist death threats at the time of her wedding, so the terror threat is very real for them."
So the death threats were just at the time of her wedding? She shouldn't have received them anytime, that's appalling, but are they saying they were only received at the time of the wedding and were not throughout her time as a royal?

LittleBearPad · 04/01/2023 20:40

AutumnCrow · 04/01/2023 16:39

Yes, if the decision has been made to drive at speed in a powerful car to try to outrun a threat (in this case paparazzi on motorbikes), everyone buckles up prior to acceleration.

Perhaps but evidently not on this occasion

Mummyoflittledragon · 05/01/2023 06:59

Serenster · 04/01/2023 13:37

As someone who was alive and driving around in cars in the 1990s, wearing a seatbelt when you are sitting in the back seat wasn’t very common at all..

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As someone also alive and driving in the 1990s, rear passengers were mandated by law to use the rear seatbelt (if fitted) in the U.K. from 1991 and in France from 1990. I know not everyone observed this law. However, I did and asked any passengers to also put their seatbelt on.

Zuve · 05/01/2023 07:05

Ha ha Harry, who did you marry?
Now run off and don't tarry,,, Bye bye

SallyAnn32 · 05/01/2023 07:24

MrsFinkelstein · 04/01/2023 18:09

Radaronline (so take with a massive pinch of salt) are adamant that it was H&M themselves who leaked their whereabouts to the Press when they were staying in Tyler Perry's house, which lead to drones flying over the grounds.

They say they have LAPD records (via FOI request) showing the leak came from their team.

radaronline.com/p/meghan-markle-prince-harry-secret-lapd-files-planted-stories-queen-elizabeth/

"A source told Sykes the couple had “been coping with ‘unimaginable’ levels of press intrusion at their temporary new home” — the eight-bedroom, 12-bathroom Tuscan-style villa owned by their friend, Tyler Perry.

As a result, The Daily Beast reported the pair “intend(ed) to hire their own security team, paid for by themselves.”

In the final three-episode installment of their bombshell Netflix series Harry & Meghan, Harry was recorded on the couple’s home cameras declaring, “It’s almost five in the morning. Archie’s waking up because of this.”

Markle was also heard saying, “Oh my god. They are just circling. What is wrong with these people?"

But RadarOnline.com can reveal a spokesperson for the royal outcasts were the ones who spewed the story to Sykes.

Of course they leaked this! Otherwise the content for their Netflix sh@te wouldn't have had much weight to it!

BradfordGirl · 05/01/2023 10:46

theworldhas · 03/01/2023 22:36

Shocking article on the front page of the Mail right now:

*Extraordinarily, since the Princess's death, I have been told by a well-placed source in our foreign intelligence service, MI6, that this is not far from the truth of what really happened.

The astonishing claim is that a 'Paris operation' was organised to frighten the Princess into halting her romance because her lover was considered by the British Establishment to be an unsuitable companion for the mother of a future King.

'We planned to break her arm or cause a minor injury,' said my MI6 informant, now retired and living in Europe. 'No one in the security services overseeing this operation wanted Diana to be killed. Dodi? Well, he was another matter.'*

This is pretty shocking.
I never thought there was a plot to kill Diana. But there has always been parts of the official story of that night that did not add up.
If this allegation was true, it would answer the question about if Diana wore her seatbelt she would have been alive, so a pretty poor way to attempt to kill her. Maybe they did think she would wear her seatbelt?

BradfordGirl · 05/01/2023 10:48

Radar Online is not a legitimate source.
You may as well post a man in a pub told me....

I found yesterday a site that claimed in 2017 Camilla was divorcing Charles and the Queen was furious. There is loads of rubbish online.

Can we at least use legitimate sources?

opinionssoughtplease · 05/01/2023 10:50

HappinesDependsOnYou · 04/01/2023 15:44

I think he is a very traumatised man. The death of his mother and then going to a war zone has clearly caused him a lot of turmoil. It seems he is trauma bonded to his wife who he is portraying as Diana the 2nd. They may well be in love, they may well be happy and lovely people but the little lies cast doubt on their bigger claims and the constant comparison from him to Diana is exhausting. His brother suffered too as did Dodi's family and the Spencers. I cannot see what the royal family would gain from killing her or even trying to hurt her. Surely they would have bumped Camilla off years before if that's their style or even Wallice Simpson!

My thoughts exactly

BradfordGirl · 05/01/2023 10:51

Mummyoflittledragon · 05/01/2023 06:59

As someone also alive and driving in the 1990s, rear passengers were mandated by law to use the rear seatbelt (if fitted) in the U.K. from 1991 and in France from 1990. I know not everyone observed this law. However, I did and asked any passengers to also put their seatbelt on.

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Most people drive secondhand cars so plenty of people were using cars that did not have seatbelts in the back or very inadequate lapbelts.
The Royal Family will have had newish cars with proper seatbelts.
The Royal Family have a long history of not using seatbelts though. Both the Queen and Philip have been photographed not wearing seatbelts.

MarshaMelrose · 05/01/2023 10:59

BradfordGirl · 05/01/2023 10:48

Radar Online is not a legitimate source.
You may as well post a man in a pub told me....

I found yesterday a site that claimed in 2017 Camilla was divorcing Charles and the Queen was furious. There is loads of rubbish online.

Can we at least use legitimate sources?

Radaronline are quoting Tom Sykes from the Daily Beast. It's to do with a FoI request from the LAPD. A spokesperson of the two approached the Daily Beast but their identity was transformed into a "friend" in the report published in 2020.

But I don't think you'd believe it whatever the source so... 🤷‍♀️

PreparationPreparationPrep · 05/01/2023 11:00

So the death threats were just at the time of her wedding? She shouldn't have received them anytime, that's appalling, but are they saying they were only received at the time of the wedding and were not throughout her time as a royal?

I took it as one of the instances - this is UK it is unlikely to be one incident, she was a non white marrying into the RF. Maybe only one instance was prosecuted. Maybe she would not be told about every single incident.

But then maybe someone will come along with Information that states it was one minor incident which was dealt with effectively and they are making a big deal of it.

MarshaMelrose · 05/01/2023 11:01

BradfordGirl · 05/01/2023 10:51

Most people drive secondhand cars so plenty of people were using cars that did not have seatbelts in the back or very inadequate lapbelts.
The Royal Family will have had newish cars with proper seatbelts.
The Royal Family have a long history of not using seatbelts though. Both the Queen and Philip have been photographed not wearing seatbelts.

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She did not die in a RF car. There were back seat belts in the car she was in.

MarshaMelrose · 05/01/2023 11:35

PreparationPreparationPrep · 05/01/2023 11:00

So the death threats were just at the time of her wedding? She shouldn't have received them anytime, that's appalling, but are they saying they were only received at the time of the wedding and were not throughout her time as a royal?

I took it as one of the instances - this is UK it is unlikely to be one incident, she was a non white marrying into the RF. Maybe only one instance was prosecuted. Maybe she would not be told about every single incident.

But then maybe someone will come along with Information that states it was one minor incident which was dealt with effectively and they are making a big deal of it.

I have absolutely no idea. It definitely read as if it was just at her wedding, didn't it? It was Meghans spokesperson so she'd know the details.
Meghan received racist death threats at the time of her wedding
Surely they have just said she'd received death threats if they'd been ongoing. I mean it doesn't really matter. Just around her wedding day is enough to scare you forever, isn't it? But it's just interesting info that gives you more insight into what was happening.

PicturesOfDogs · 05/01/2023 12:45

Dan Wootton on Twitter earlier…

MarshaMelrose · 05/01/2023 13:02

I wouldnt trust Dan Wootton to butter a piece of bread. He's always changing his stories. I'd only believe him if other journalists said something similar.

PicturesOfDogs · 05/01/2023 13:04

MarshaMelrose · 05/01/2023 13:02

I wouldnt trust Dan Wootton to butter a piece of bread. He's always changing his stories. I'd only believe him if other journalists said something similar.

Yeah, I’m not too sure.
Just thought it was interesting given a PP said she remembered him specifically saying that he was given the ‘relinquish titles’ story from H&Ms camp