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Weren't Harry and Meghan briefing too?

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chocolatemonster1 · 03/01/2023 21:20

One thing that struck me in the Netflix series was the "Sandringham summit". Harry said that there was a story about how he was bullied by Prince William/Charles, and Buckingham Palace responded by putting out a statement saying that was nonsense. In the Netflix series, Harry said that Meghan burst into tears because the Palace was basically lying. But... Who briefed the original story? It obviously wasn't Buckingham Palace because why would they want that story out there? And it does seem to be suspiciously well-aligned with the Harry/Meghan version of events. So is it ok for their people to brief out stories, but unacceptable for the Palace to put out statements? And does it ever occur to them that their point of view might not be the only one?

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Stickytoff · 03/01/2023 22:55

I’m H+M all the way but the daily mail saying the book is entitled spare is actually journalism genius. 🤣🤣🤣

Georgeskitchen · 03/01/2023 23:11

Apparently Diana did indeed say, to whom, I don't know , that she feared someone would "tamper with her brakes"
Maybe she was joking?
If she was actually serious why did she not use a seat belt on the fatal night?

KnickerlessParsons · 03/01/2023 23:17

Georgeskitchen · 03/01/2023 23:11

Apparently Diana did indeed say, to whom, I don't know , that she feared someone would "tamper with her brakes"
Maybe she was joking?
If she was actually serious why did she not use a seat belt on the fatal night?

But No one tampered with her breaks. She was in a car with a very drunk driver, without a seatbelt.

TodayIsFridayHooray · 03/01/2023 23:23

Do You think Harry has even read the book he's 'written' by himself? Even he might be surprised by the content!

Georgeskitchen · 03/01/2023 23:24

@KnickerlessParsons that is correct but surely anyone fearing for their life would take every precaution in case of an "accident"

KnickerlessParsons · 03/01/2023 23:27

Georgeskitchen · 03/01/2023 23:24

@KnickerlessParsons that is correct but surely anyone fearing for their life would take every precaution in case of an "accident"

You'd think so, wouldn't you. But the only person wearing a seatbelt in that car was the only person who survived the accident.

NewStartIn50s · 03/01/2023 23:29

To many they are hypocrites.

To their fans they are tellers of truth.

They make a lot of money and the 'other side' never appear to answer so they can carry on being victims and milking it for even more money.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 03/01/2023 23:46

Do You think Harry has even read the book he's 'written' by himself? Even he might be surprised by the content!

It's said that he's reading the audio version himself, so I doubt it'll come as a surprise by then, if at all

It also removes the opportunity to claim later that the author "twisted things", since presumably he wouldn't have agreed to record this if so

milveycrohn · 04/01/2023 06:51

@PicturesOfDogs
"I read a theory within the last couple of days actually, regarding Harry’s claim that it must have been KCs team that leaked he was willing to rebuke his titles.
Harry had said that only KC knew this, but the theory was that it wasn’t in KCs interests to leak that info.
We also have Dan Wooton emphatically claiming he already had that story and it didn’t come from KC.
So whose benefit would it have been to leak it? Well, the theory went that the call came from inside the house."
Dan Wooton has said on the record that this information came from H&M's Communications team.
I actually heard him say this on YouTube - (I think it may be GB News?)

saffronrabbit · 04/01/2023 07:30

Harry is unhealthily paranoid.

Every time a negative story broke about Meghan he saw it as racist, untrue and planted. According to him whole world were plotting against her and she was perfect.

They have no self awareness whatsoever and refuse to see that some of her actions were putting people off, and upsetting people. She was difficult to get on with.

It's murky waters though, they aren't all wrong, because some of the negative press did happen because of racism, or at least because she was so different....American, older, divorced, outspoken actress etc. (I am ashamed to say I found her annoying, their engagement interview grated on me...all the giggling, hair tossing and clinging to him, claiming to not have known anything about him didn't ring true, that was unkind of me she was probably just nervous and excited)

There's was also lots of support for her, and plenty of positive press too. The palace did stand up for her and several statements were released in early days. I think the RF we're doing their best. They refuse to see or acknowledge that though. Harry wanted immediate adoration for her, like he was feeling.

He can't ever see her doing anything wrong, in his eyes she is perfect, and everyone is jealous of her, he has unhealthy morphed her into his mother in his mind. And he is confronted with the trauma of losing Diana. He cannot fathom why she is picked on and judged - the only explanation in his head is that it's because of her race and that the RF are jealous of her and see her as a threat.

Harry is a vulnerable, traumatised man, he isn't very bright and I believe used to having his messes mopped up for him by the RF, he was adored no matter how 'cheeky' of misguided his behaviour and just cannot seem to self reflect or have any sort of self awareness.

susan12345678 · 04/01/2023 07:31

That article in the Mail is ridiculous. She claims Henri-Paul wasn't a heavy drinker -on the basis that his elderly parents in Brittany told her (tearfully) that "he only had the odd glass of beer or pastis." Conveniently ignoring the multiple witnesses in the Ritz bar that night that saw him knocking back several Pernods.
And she claims the papparazzi were nowhere near the car - but the article is illustrated with photographs of the car taken by the photographers during the chase.

Mohammed Fayed wanted to ramp up the drama and encouraged the press to cover her romance with Dodi - the photos of her on the boat in the Med were all planned. His paranoia about the accident probably stems from his own guilt.
Harry, meanwhile, is trying to make the RF seem evil to validate his own terrible behavior.

Porcinimushroom · 04/01/2023 08:16

the book is clearly not going to insinuate Harry’s father or gran killed his mother, that’s just daily mail bullshit as usual. Can’t believe anyone even thinks it could be remotely true that that would be in the book 😂

Serenster · 04/01/2023 08:19

Conveniently ignoring the multiple witnesses in the Ritz bar that night that saw him knocking back several Pernods.

And the receipts from the bar from his tab for the night. And the evidence from his friend who ran the bar close to his apartment where he stopped for a drink after finishing his shift at the Ritz before heading back at Dodi’s request.

Considering Diana and Dodi weren’t originally even planning to be in Paris that night, were staying at Dodi’s apartment and not the Ritz, only changed their dinner plans when they were chased by paps as they drove from his apartment to the restaurant where they had a booking, and when going back to his apartment after dining at the Ritz came up with a plan at the last minute to use a car from the Ritz and Henri Paul as a driver while the car and driver that had used to get to the Ritz were sent to the front of the hotel as a decoy - honestly, all the key decisions that led to them being in that car with that driver at that time could not have been predicted in advance.

The security services may well be good, but they are not omniscient!

ZenNudist · 04/01/2023 08:22

Porcinimushroom · 04/01/2023 08:16

the book is clearly not going to insinuate Harry’s father or gran killed his mother, that’s just daily mail bullshit as usual. Can’t believe anyone even thinks it could be remotely true that that would be in the book 😂

I agree.

It's such old news. Conspiracy theories have been circulating since her death. I personally have sympathy for the idea Diana was killed. Its certainly very convenient to pave the way for Charles to become king married to Camilla. I don't believe our highly religious queen would have condoned this, nor Tony Blair so the insinuation is shadowy "dark powers" organised this, which has less of a ring of truth, more melodrama.

EdithWeston · 04/01/2023 08:40

PicturesOfDogs · 03/01/2023 22:48

Maybe no coronation invite after all then? 😬

Don't be silly.

Of course the king will invite his son and family (though I doubt the DC will be old enough for the service itself, especially as they've never done any appearances - they're old enough for balcony though, if parents want that for them).

And as all Dukes will be invited, Andrew will be there as well. So I expect that there will be careful consideration of seating and camera angles

EdithWeston · 04/01/2023 08:47

PicturesOfDogs · 03/01/2023 22:47

So Harry’s book is insinuating the RF had his mother killed by the looks of it?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11596307/SUE-REID-DID-researchers-Harrys-new-memoir-quiz-Dianas-death-crash.html

This is going to be an absolute shit show ain’t it?

If Harry has opened this up again then that's dire

I hope it's just the reptiles of the press trying to put the items together for attention, not something Harry's done.

Though of course he used bits of the Bashir interview. And we now know that it was the lies and manipulations to secure that interview which led to the "Mishcon note" - in which Diana alleges her brakes will be tampered with, to clear the way for Prince Charles to marry Tiggy Legge-Bourke (Camilla being just a decoy). I really don't want to even think, let alone believe, that Harry's going there.

PicturesOfDogs · 04/01/2023 08:51

milveycrohn · 04/01/2023 06:51

@PicturesOfDogs
"I read a theory within the last couple of days actually, regarding Harry’s claim that it must have been KCs team that leaked he was willing to rebuke his titles.
Harry had said that only KC knew this, but the theory was that it wasn’t in KCs interests to leak that info.
We also have Dan Wooton emphatically claiming he already had that story and it didn’t come from KC.
So whose benefit would it have been to leak it? Well, the theory went that the call came from inside the house."
Dan Wooton has said on the record that this information came from H&M's Communications team.
I actually heard him say this on YouTube - (I think it may be GB News?)

Did he specifically say it came from H&M team?
Ah I haven’t seen that.
I saw him heavily hint at it, saying he had the story and it did not come from the KC camp.

All very interesting

secsee · 04/01/2023 08:57

custardbear · 03/01/2023 21:46

Hypocritical
Greedy
Narcissistic
Greedy
Spiteful
Egotistical
Greedy
Entitled
Spoilt
Greedy

Selfish
Scroungers ... they do fuck all and expect the earth

Maybe RF should do their own doc but they haven't. No evidence to date that PH and M are any of these until it's from the horses mouth

QueenSmartypants · 04/01/2023 09:00

I do think there are weird things and unanswered questions about the car crash and I don't understand why eyevwitness testimony seems to have been discounted. But I don't believe for a second that either the RF or government had a hand in it.

Which leads to the conclusion that if there was a conspiracy, it was by shadowy people in positions of power we know nothing about and that just seems...far fetched.

Nor can I understand the motivation...Theorists say she was a loose canon, but what damage was she going to do, really? And maybe I'm displaying astonishing ignorance about racism in the 90s but so what if the ex wide of the future king was dating a Muslim?? She had dated people of colour before and apparently had a history of love bombing men (and friends) before dropping them.

PicturesOfDogs · 04/01/2023 09:14

Porcinimushroom · 04/01/2023 08:16

the book is clearly not going to insinuate Harry’s father or gran killed his mother, that’s just daily mail bullshit as usual. Can’t believe anyone even thinks it could be remotely true that that would be in the book 😂

My post was lighthearted, I don’t believe Harry thinks the RF killed Diana.
I need to remember this isn’t a WhatsApp group, so people won’t get my humour/use of emojis etc.

The mail are going to troll him forever.

Back on subject, I do think however Harry also leaks like a sieve.
Or his ‘camp’ do, and he doesn’t realise?

Coxspurplepippin · 04/01/2023 09:31

secsee · 04/01/2023 08:57

Maybe RF should do their own doc but they haven't. No evidence to date that PH and M are any of these until it's from the horses mouth

TBH Meghan and Harry have shown they are several of those things in their own words.

bakalava · 04/01/2023 11:20

They are all as bad as each other. The royal leaks are brief but massively impactful. Like those three little words "Recollections may vary".

H & M's leaks are entire books and NF series. Voluminous, not impactful and they always protest too much.

In the end, they are all feeding from the same trough and their common interest is to preserve what they have so H will do his duty at the coronation. He (kind of) stepped away and now realises that he is nothing without the title and associations. The other royals are not likely to fare much better if it came to that.

milveycrohn · 04/01/2023 11:27

@PicturesOfDogs
"Did he specifically say it came from H&M team?"
Yes, he (Dan Wootton) was talking to someone, so not sure if it was GB News or whether he was being interviewed by someone else.
He said he had the info BEFORE December ...? and it came from H&M's 'commnication team'.
The person (female) who he was talking to said 'wow!, is that on the record?'
And he replied, 'Yes, that is on the record.'
If I could remember where exactly I heard it and which date i watched it, I would send a link.
And to be honest, I can't actually remember whether it was something I was watching on Youtube, or on TV (a news prog). But I saw him say this.
If I remember correctly, he used the words 'communications team', rather than PR, or whatever.
This was AFTER the netfix series but before the latest Book interviews.

Coronateachingagain · 04/01/2023 12:33

CocoLux · 03/01/2023 21:35

There's a lot of hypocrisy in their complaints. It's fine for them to talk publicly about their family problems, and brief the media, but if Thomas Markle or Buck Palace do it it's toxic and hurtful and dangerous. Apparently.

This.

That's why they are going on with this narrative of the Palace not protecting them so that gives them the right to say whatever. Very clever, deflects the fact they are briefing their own story all the time. Who knows from when, probably tried while they were still "in" and backfired.

Not saying the Palace did wrong, just saying it is so self serving and hypocritical.
"I want my father and brother back but You need to accept that in the same interview I am throwing you under the bus if you don't do and say what I want"

Not many toys left to throw out of the pram though

BlackFriday · 04/01/2023 12:41

It seems Harry didn't have a problem with the Palace communications team when they were busy trying to put a lid on some of his "youthful indiscretions."

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