Weren't Harry and Meghan briefing too?

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One thing that struck me in the Netflix series was the "Sandringham summit". Harry said that there was a story about how he was bullied by Prince William/Charles, and Buckingham Palace responded by putting out a statement saying that was nonsense. In the Netflix series, Harry said that Meghan burst into tears because the Palace was basically lying. But... Who briefed the original story? It obviously wasn't Buckingham Palace because why would they want that story out there? And it does seem to be suspiciously well-aligned with the Harry/Meghan version of events. So is it ok for their people to brief out stories, but unacceptable for the Palace to put out statements? And does it ever occur to them that their point of view might not be the only one?

I wonder who told Diana and Dodi not to wear seatbelts at that speed

I think Harry and Meghan twist the truth and fabricate stories to back up their narrative. But I wouldn't trust or believe anything Dan Wootten says either. He's just as bad.

I've only really come on this one to ask about somethoing which arose on a now-full thread, where it was said H&M have got rid of Sunshine Sachs

Does anyone happen to know if they've been replaced with another company, or are the couple really going to risk managing their own PR now?

The argument was that Fayad's private bodyguard, Trevor Rees Jones, didn't have the authority to tell Dodi what he should do as he was just an employee. He could advise only. Had Diana kept her royal bodyguard that she was entitled to but she refused, they would have instructed her to wear a seltbelt. And according to surgeons, she'd still be alive.
Forcing a car accident is a very uncertain way of bringing about a targeted death.

They said they're doing their own PR through Archewell.

Ah, thank you, Marsha; I hadn't realised it had come directly via Archewell and thought it might have been yet more media nonsense

Its always somebody else's fault as far as they are concerned. But good folk are seeing through that now. They didnt at first.,

I wonder who told Diana and Dodi not to wear seatbelts at that speed

I don't suppose anyone told them not to wear seatbelts. They just didn't - perhaps Diana thought it would crease her clothes or something - we don't, and will never, know.

I might have worded that badly, puzzled. Archewell is doing their PR.

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have found their new head of public relations, according to a report in Britain’s Daily Mail. The California-based couple had been working with New York’s Sunshine Sachs for years, but it was confirmed in mid-September that the Duke and Duchess and the established firm had parted ways.

Rather than shop around for a new agency, the couple’s PR needs for their Archwell charity, as well as to promote their podcast, television series, and upcoming publishing neutron bomb, will now be handled from within.

Christine Weil Schirmer, who has worked with the Sussexes since 2020, will assume the position as the couple’s primary face to the media, without the aid of an outside company. Her initial role was one of head of communications before a promotion to senior advisor. Prior to working with Meghan and Harry, she worked for tech companies Pinterest, Digg, and Apple.

However, I think the reports are that already she too has left or "stepped back". So who knows?

Perfect summary!

As someone who was alive and driving around in cars in the 1990s, wearing a seatbelt when you are sitting in the back seat wasn’t very common at all..

Thanks again, Marsha; it looks, as you say, as if the PR's being done "in house" which could mean anything

I googled Christine Weil Schirmer and there is indeed a report that she's no longer involved with Archewell - trouble is it's the Mail so I won't be setting much store by that

Anyway, back to Dan Wootton claiming that the story about the Sussexes move to Canada came from inside the Sussexes’ camp, there was an interesting story in People magazine in the US a couple of months before that. (People magazine being the publication that Meghan’s “five friends” had earlier approached, allegedly completely unsolicited, to give her side of the story and talk about the letter she wrote to her father).

The article came out on 30 October 2019 - so, six or so weeks before Harry complains that his father asked him to put his plans in writing, and as soon as he did so, it was leaked to Wootton.

The article says:

“Several insiders say the couple are eager to escape the intense tabloid scrutiny in the U.K. — maybe even by establishing a second “base” in the U.S., Canada or Africa. It’s not possible for them to be [in the U.K.] like this,” a source tells PEOPLE in this week’s issue. “There’s more pressure now. There’s a shift that is happening”…The young family will undoubtedly go to Meghan’s hometown of Los Angeles to spend time with her mom, Doria Ragland, with whom she’s very close.…It’s also been rumored that the couple could spend some time in Canada, where Meghan lived before marrying Harry to film her TV show Suits”

Right on the money, as it turns out! Coming from “several insiders” some weeks before Harry tells us Prince Charles and the Palace were aware of their plans. So there’s only one side that could have come from…

people.com/royals/meghan-markle-and-prince-harry-may-establish-second-base-outside-of-u-k-theres-a-shift/

What on earth could have been going through their minds to have made such a monumentally stupid decision? I can't recall if Trevor Rees-Jones ever said anything about it afterwards. He buckled up, but his stone-cold-sober 'principals' didn't. It just seems nuts that (a) they didn't buckle up, and (b) TRJ didn't tell them to. Or maybe he did and they ignored him - but why?

@serenster, these "recollections" certainly are varying all over the shop, aren't they?

There's a story doing the rounds that Christine Schirmer, who was their Communications chief at Archewell and who was then supposed to be doing their PR after they left SS, claimed that Meghan leaked Megxit through her friends. But because it was released to Canadian media outlets, it wasn't really believed or picked up on. Maybe that's who Dan Wootten is talking about?

The implications in that Sue Reid article in the Mail are absolutely chilling. Tellingly that article has now almost dissapeared from the landing screen when it was headlines a few hours ago.

She reported originally on these theories back in 2013 in the link below. I have no doubt Harry believes the British establishment played a role in his mother's death. Why has the DM chosen to publish this article at this time by this senior reporter ? And if it is tosh then so is all the other rubbish it prints as well and they can certainly be seen be playing a major role in manufacturing the H&M media pile on.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2407571/Princess-Diana-SAS-murder-claim--mad-think-says-SUE-REID.html

Rather begs the question of why in that case they didn't go for Hasnat Khan, who Diana was very much in love with and IIRC wanted to marry rather than her summer fling. Does 'MI6 informant, retired' have a book to push, by any chance?

If you want to fill your boots in the various conspiracy theories one of which the Mail has shoved into the debate today here they are...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theories_about_the_death_of_Diana,_Princess_of_Wales

That is a very good point. Maybe someone should test him.

It’s total rubbish, though, vera99! All of the comments below from the article are completely disproven by multiple evidence sources:

Dodi had slipped out of the Ritz Hotel, as Diana was having her hair done, to collect a jewel-encrusted ring adorned with the words ‘Tell Me Yes’ from a swanky Paris jeweller. It came from a collection of engagement rings.

Rumours were circulating, too, that the Princess was pregnant. Photographs of her in a leopard-print swimsuit, on holiday in the South of France 14 days earlier, show an unmistakable bump around her waistline.

And, as the Mail revealed after Diana’s death, she had visited — in the strictest secrecy — a leading London hospital for a pregnancy scan just before that photo was snapped.

When Dodi went to the Repossi jewellers with the Ritz general manager Claude Roulet he was just looking for a gift for Diana. He looked at various things, but left with just a brochure when he went back to the hotel. It was Claude Roulet who stayed behind to negotiate the prices of some of the things Dodi liked, and who spotted the ring from the jeweller’s new range on the finger of the Jeweller’s wife, who was helping them. He thought Dodi would like it and added it to the items he was taking back for final approval. The fact it came from a range of engagement rings was a complete coincidence.

Diana had her period while on a cruise with her friend Rosa Monckton just 11 days before her death. The postmortem confirmed that she was not pregnant. The photo of her with an “unmistakable bump” around her waistline was taken on 14 July 1997 - before she even met Dodi Al Fayed. Etc etc.

There was no need for the security services to deal with Diana. People were already rolling their eyes and becoming tired of her antics. Had she not died her star would have dulled.

As someone who was driving throughout the 90s, in my experience not wearing a seatbelt in the back was definitely unusual.

Conspiracy theories are nearly always untrue IMHO and the efforts required to keep so many silent about such a huge story would be almost impossible. I'm more interested why the Mail has taken such effort to rehash this at this point when they seem to be carpet bombing the Sussexes. I would imagine the editor or even the proprietor would have had the sign off on that. Maybe it's a veiled threat to the BRF as to where the real power lies and they can turn if they so wish.

It was a legal requirement to wear seatbelts in every seat of the car in the 90s, in the uk at least.