Andrew was on the church walkabout this morning

[meh2022]

I was surprised (and not in a good way) to see Andrew join the rest of the royal family at the Christmas service at Sandringham church this morning. He even shook hands with at least one member of the crowd. Surely he should be kept away from the public if the royal family have any desire whatsoever to keep the monarchy going? What is Charles thinking in allowing him to join them?!

'Having sex' with someone who is trafficked isn't perfectly legal. Nor is having sex with a 17 year old in America.

Fair enough. Criminal cases in the UK cannot be settled out of court and I’m not a legal expert.

but I’d suggest having an uncooperative prosecution witness who has received a substantial payoff from the potential defendant wouldn’t hold up well in court

But there is a tipping point. If he's looking at legal fees here and in the US, with all prediscovery, trial prep, court hearings, trial and possible appeals, he's going to be running up hefty bills. Amber Heard ran up several million in legal fees, and gers wasn't a great team.

Add onto that that he doesn't want them to go through discovery and have private details released about the family, including the queen. So paying her off for several million is going to look like a sensible decision.

You’re the one drawing unpleasant inferences about the motivations of a victim of childhood sexual assault on one hand yet bleating that Andrew is ‘innocent until proven guilty’ on the other. Interesting that you have no moral qualms about criticising VG or suggesting unpleasant motivations to her, but the bloke that chose to hang out with a convicted child rapist for years must be defended by you at all costs.

interesting priorities you have!

Are you genuinely suggesting she just happened to be hanging out as a vulnerable teenage girl with a convicted child sex offender and a human trafficker.

odd coincidence!

I really don’t think saying it’s ok for a man to go to church with his family on Christmas = public support for former friends of convicted sex offenders. That’s a bit extreme really, even convicts can go to religious services while in prison. The freedom to practice your religion is a human right afforded to even convicted mass murderers.

Maybe think about the victims of sex trafficking before coming on here demanding evidence about what they went through and defending Andrew's very close involvement with two of the worst people who abused young girls. (some as young as 13) and who were rightly convicted for it.

Exactly this.

If Epstein hadnt killed himself, or been murdered, the evidence would have been clear. Maybe Ghislaine Maxwell can prove he was innocent of trafficking. Oh hang on.....

It's absolutely bizarre isn't it.

No one has said that though have they?

Well that’s whole tone of the thread isn’t it? From the OP onwards it’s one big complaint that Prince Andrew shouldn’t have been going to church…

I was surprised (and not in a good way) to see Andrew join the rest of the royal family at the Christmas service at Sandringham church this morning. He even shook hands with at least one member of the crowd. Surely he should be kept away from the public if the royal family have any desire whatsoever to keep the monarchy going? What is Charles thinking in allowing him to join them?!

And those saying why can’t he go to church? Are being accused of “publicly supporting” a friend of a convicted sex offender, a rapist, a pedophile….etc.

Oh well, you seem to know it all. Oh wait, you dont. But that doesn't matter does it

You sound about 12. It's fine, don't worry you have proved a point for me and it's been most helpful.

On royal threads if I bring up Andrew, I am told incessantly what is the point in bringing him up everyone thinks he is a total sleaze, there is no discussion to be had about him because everyone is in agreement. And I say actually not, there are people on threads who defend him to the hilt and would rather blame the victims. And here you are, to prove my point!

Yes I do know more than you it appears. Thanks for recognising that.

Hopefully, once Epsteins other ‘associates’ are officially revealed and legally pursued, one will flip on Andrew.

I am a bit confused about the walk about. The walk about, that’s classed as an official engagement is the bit after church, which Andrew wasn’t included in (from the videos I have seen). Just Charles, Camilla, William, Kate and their kids. The rest of the family weren’t involved, including Andrew.

The walk to church isn’t an official engagement. Just a family walking to church and Andrew was quite far back.

I am not sure Charles can really stop Andrew spontaneously shaking one man’s hand.

A mixed race Princess was hounded for reportedly being mean and there was no show of support from the family subtle or otherwise.
PA was friends with someone who had naked underage girls in his parties. If you were friends with Epstein you knew what he was involved with.

Please spare us not convicted non sense, nobody is asking PA to be put in jail, we are asking him quietly disappear. I thought saving the institution was paramount but I guess not.

@Rumpertumpskin posts prove one thing IMO, Andrew will be accepted back into the fold with little to no pushback from the general public. They save their venom for Meghan, it's quite fascinating to watch.

Jimmy Saville and Peter Ball were associates of Prince Charles. I hate to say it but cavorting with predators is no sin within the institution.

Re you a Christian?

It's a two way street. The sinner has to want to be forgiven. For that they have to admit their sins and show real shame at what they have done. Not much of that on display is there? Add to that the very bad lies and no hint of a faith. Why should anyone including the church have anything to do with him. God might, but churches don't have to.

PA could have gone to church any where, at any time. This was the performative "Royal family attending church service" version. No ones banning him from church and seeking redemption (fat chance of that), just this particular form of going to church.

That should say Are you a Christian.

Rumpertumpskin I can only assume that you know zero about Epstein, his crimes, his victims or the part a massive power imbalance plays in sexual exploitation. Perhaps you should investigate a bit more before telling us how hard down by Andy boy is.

It scares me how much people will bend over backwards to defend someone who's been accused of a pretty horrible crime when it's someone they admire or look up to. It just shows how rapists and pedophiles get away with things, when so many people are willing to brush things under the carpet.

You also know that saying rapists are welcome in church makes it an unsafe place for less powerful victims. But then the history of the church shows it's not safe for victims, really.

Could Charles have stopped Andrew going? Maybe not. But if Andrew was less selfish, he wouldn't have gone, or at least he wouldn't have interacted with the public.

He appears desperate to get back in as a working royal, regardless of how it will reflect on the rest of the family. If nothing else, this thread surely shows his presence is far too controversial for him to have a life as a working royal any more. So he needs to find something else to do.

I thought it was very interesting Anne wasn't there.

The only reason he hasn't been convicted is because he bought silence. He should've had his balls cut off not be shaking hands with the public!

The hatred for Andrew on MN is irrational and ridiculous. He's a sleaze and a dirty old man but not the devil incarnate or a paedophile.

He had sex (if he did) with a woman over the age of consent. There is no proof he knew she was trafficked.

I guess it depends if you believe what she said.