Andrew was on the church walkabout this morning

[meh2022]

I was surprised (and not in a good way) to see Andrew join the rest of the royal family at the Christmas service at Sandringham church this morning. He even shook hands with at least one member of the crowd. Surely he should be kept away from the public if the royal family have any desire whatsoever to keep the monarchy going? What is Charles thinking in allowing him to join them?!

Surely church is a place which should welcome everyone. In addition he hasn't been convicted of anything - no court case. He is innocent an we should treat him like that. Agreed there is PR at stake but if he were a normal member of the public he would also be innocent an should be treated as such.

Unless I am completely misunderstanding, those entries in the court circular just says that the service took place and they attended. How does that mean that it was “work”? The court circular just says what they were doing, not if it was classed as work or not. I can’t believe the Queen’s funeral was classed as work. It’s not like they wouldn’t have gone anyway 🤷‍♀️

One chummy with Epstein, one chummy with Saville. Terrible luck really.

If he were an ordinary person, he wouldn't have the funds to pay off his victim.

He hasn't been convicted. Yet still it is taken as fact that he did this. He may have done this. He may not have done. It's speculation.

The promises to do all in his power to aid enquiries into JE and the subsequent ducking and diving to avoid doing just that aren't speculation nor is the payment he made to a woman he'd never met for something he hadn't done.

He has been attempting to polish his image since a few months after his disastrous interview (see packing cupcakes with Fergie for NHS workers in lockdown) and his mother and now his family appear to be conspiring with him to this end (see the various public shows of support from Mummy and now the recent shootin' jolly with Anne and Eddie).

He's an arrogant disgrace and always has been.

@Hobbi

We don't know what happened - the press is not judge an jury. There are two sides to being famous and rich as you could be more of a target to those seeking payment no the other hand yes you do have money to settle. The fact remains no-one has been convicted. Every one deserves the right to be treated as innocent unless found guilty.

But the one thing we do know is that he is not a convicted paedophile. Even if the hard of thinking are having a huge difficulty comprehending that fact.

Even the hard of thinking can grasp that he was the subject of a civil case not a criminal case so was never in any danger of 'conviction'.

Jimmy Saville was not a convicted paedophile either. Would you be happy to have had him around your kids?

You think PA has even the slightest bit of Christian faith? I know faith is a personal issue, but come on. PA needs to ask for forgiveness and I can't see much contrition in his behaviour so far.

Funny how Andrew is ok to be 'in' and Hand M were out. I don't agree with how H and M conducted themselves since they left but the handling of their departure for the well oiled RF machine was pretty dire.

Andrew would not have passed an enhanced DBS check which takes into account police intelligence as well as convictions. Because many paedophiles and rapists are never convicted. Jimmy Saville is another case in point.

Yet you still insist that he's guilty. Bizarre.

More bizarre to insist I've said something I haven't.

I think if he had any sense or wanted to avoid damaging the monarchy, he would have stayed in the background and not done the walkabout. We can’t really know what he has/hasn’t done but he does need to think of the wider implications of his actions now - which is negative public image of the monarchy, at a time when H&M are making a lot of allegations against the RF.

Oh you don't think he's guilty then. Great. You should have made that clearer.

What do you make of the failure to co-operate with enquiries, the hide and seek with those seeking to serve court papers and above all the payment which made it all go away?

@Gruffalo101

Harry and Meghan made an active choice to leave. If they wanted to put the past behind them, all they'd probably have to do is reach out. And stop the shit flinging.

Andrew has not been criminally charged with anything, so he has not been found either guilty or not guilty. The Guiffre civil suit was settled out of court. This does not prove or disprove what he did or didn't get up to either. But the rumoured settlement of 12 million that this non sweating pizza loving prince paid to someone he says he does not recall meeting looks a bit iffy, doesn't it?

there have been a few posters on here recently that have been really keen to argue that having sex with someone over 11 or 12 is not paedophilia.

The knots Royal Family apologists tie themselves in to justify PA's presence is astonishing.

How would you feel it was your 17yr old daughter?

The RF as a whole should be actively distancing themselves from him consistently, but they're content on whitewashing the entire shitshow hoping the great British public have short memories.

His privilege, and nothing else, led to that settlement.

I can't believe the sycophancy that surrounds the RF, I can only hope the next generation are less likely to put up with the bullshit.

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