Andrew was on the church walkabout this morning

[meh2022]

I was surprised (and not in a good way) to see Andrew join the rest of the royal family at the Christmas service at Sandringham church this morning. He even shook hands with at least one member of the crowd. Surely he should be kept away from the public if the royal family have any desire whatsoever to keep the monarchy going? What is Charles thinking in allowing him to join them?!

A disgraced man was driven to his mothers death bed by his nephew. That’s all it was.

Their grandmother/mother was dying. I'm sure they weren't worrying what you thought about it at that point

Please stop trying to put words into my mouth.

The whole thread is about him at Sandringham where I have said I don't think he is a safeguarding risk to young females whilst with the RF in church and with vicars and bishops or whoever was there.

However, stick him in a rich playboys mansion (he has been wowed by money for decades, hence him mixing with arms dealers and ME oligarchs) and if he was partying there and present were a string of young trafficked girls, I think he would be a safeguarding risk. Hope that explains it for you. I was trying to keep to the subject in hand... him at church.

I’m not sure you understand how a discussion thread works. Or risk assessments either if you think being at church with family poses the same risk as partying with sex offenders, and mumsnet posters can refer Royals for risk assessments 😁

I recognise that I told my later abusers what I wanted them (to please them) to hear. Because I had been trained to meet their needs, not mine. So I told them (much older) I wanted sex with them. In truth I wanted care and love. I thought random sex would one day win me love.

That's not my fault, it doesn't mean every man who had sex with me was abusive either

Two actually. One is in prison for 20 years and he was very close to her for decades. The other who he partied with, holidayed with, spent time with, even after conviction, took his own life after one conviction with more court cases on the way.

I find it hard to believe that anyone would snipe about 4 grieving relatives travelling together

Easier not to snipe if it was an isolated incident rather than an example of an increasingly regular pattern.

Royal travel excess is par for the course and complaining about it is water off a duck's back to them. Has been for years.

Yes, do refer them for risk assessments if you see it as relevant. Why not? Why wouldn't you, unless you think the RF is exempt from scrutiny?

Sigma I am sorry to hear about what happened to you. Truly I am.

On what other occasions has William / Edward/ Sophie / whoever been spotted driving Andrew around ? Or even in their company other than the periphery of his family yesterday ?
The family just wanted to get to Balmoral as quickly as possible. In better weather they would have gone by helicopter but on this occasion had to use the road.

On what other occasions has William / Edward/ Sophie / whoever been spotted driving Andrew around ? Or even in their company other than the periphery of his family yesterday ?

Anne and Edward have accompanied him on a shooting jolly very recently.

The family just wanted to get to Balmoral as quickly as possible

And they did. Cars would have been waiting at the aircraft steps. No airport bus required. And let's not pretend the brand new understudy wouldn't have had more than enough clout to insist sleazy uncle travelled separately after the flight at no inconvenience to anyone.

Personally I'd have walked rather than got in a car with someone happy to consort with a convicted sex offender.

'No airport bus required. And let's not pretend the brand new understudy wouldn't have had more than enough clout to insist sleazy uncle travelled separately after the flight at no inconvenience to anyone. Personally I'd have walked rather than got in a car with someone happy to consort with a convicted sex offender.'

Why would they travel separately? His family seem to be tolerating him privately, perhaps understanding there seems to have been a bit of a US witchhunt going on, whilst as I said earlier none of their own US residents have been held to account barring Epstein.

I understand PA shouldn't be at high profile Royal official events but travelling together is absolutely a non event.

From what I know - on a work basis - of the CofE safeguarding staff they will respond and do a proper risk assessment. If there is any reason to think he is a risk they will put measures in place to allow attendance for worship while protecting the potentially vulnerable.

**Who are the CofE safeguarding staff? We have a verger who loo,after the churcgyaed and fies off-jobs. And a rota of four ladies who do the flowers. Anyone can come into our church for services, for events or just to look around. Who the heck is doing the risk assessments and how do they know who to assess?

Where exactly have I said it’s relevant?
who would I be ‘referring’ them to?

honestly this is weird

It's been said that Giuffre's evidence has a few holes in it. Additionally, Andrew wasn't found guilty in a court of law. Why is it that people are more ready to convict him than also challenge Giuffre about dome of the evidence that did provided? She may not be as innocent as she made out.

OK. Have you read about her life? At all? She was vulnerable.

Not Harry getting treated worse than the alleged rapist. Military titles stripped instantly, it took Queenie over two years to take Andrew's off him, even then her hand was forced by military briefings to the broadsheets. Got a ride in the Jet to Balmoral but Harry had to find his way. Military uniform for Andrew at the Prince's vigil but it took public outrage to get Harry the same treatment, even worse Harry's ER cypher was taken off but Andrew's remained. Tax payer funded security till last month with Charles taking over, God knows how many millions forked over to a stranger Andrew never met.

Andrew will be just fine, the institution clearly have his back.

I cannot believe you think your suggestion is serious . Should he have taken a separate flight ??
you seem to still be missing the fact that they were trying to reach Balmoral as quickly as possible , having already been delayed taking off .

Harry had to go by himself as he wanted Meghan to go and by the time that issue was resolved , the others had left and he had to make his own way there.

Andrew with access to the best education, privilege and advisors that money can buy, knowingly and willingly maintained a friendship with a convicted child sex abuser, invited him to Royal functions and attended parties he held where teenage girls were in abundance.

do you think that makes him more or less worthy of sympathy than a victim of child sex trafficking born into poverty and groomed by a millionaire sex criminal?

The ignorance from royalists on these threads explains how the Windsors are still laughing all the way to the bank .

Andrew knew . They all know . And
The minimisers who fawn try to do the explaining for them

Epstein was convicted in 2010
Andrew then went to visit him to stay in Epstein's house in order 'to explain why they couldn't be friends'

Laughable