Andrew was on the church walkabout this morning

[meh2022]

I was surprised (and not in a good way) to see Andrew join the rest of the royal family at the Christmas service at Sandringham church this morning. He even shook hands with at least one member of the crowd. Surely he should be kept away from the public if the royal family have any desire whatsoever to keep the monarchy going? What is Charles thinking in allowing him to join them?!

So how am I 'whipping up on line hatred'?

I don't think he is a safeguarding risk. If others think he us, I have outlined the process to follow to protect others.

I recognise others such as @Roussette say that they don't see him as a risk but then go on to say that by showing up to church he makes himself a target

Errmmmm.... I didn't say that, someone else did!

All I said was... I don't see him as a safeguarding risk.

'17 is not a lifetime of maturity and knowing how to deal with certain situations'

True and she's already admitted to been mistaken with previous allegations so I think it's safe to say the time of partying on millionaire's islands and residences was a time of chaos and confusion and not that much fun in hindsight.

@Roussette your words were
'The public won't stand for it, not in a million years and I have no sympathy whatsoever.'

So, he is a target? Or not?

Glad to know @Roussette doesn't see PA as a safeguarding risk in general to young women.

So presumably there was something specific about VG that put her at risk? I winder what that was? The specific set of circumstances?

wonder not winder

So William should have just left his grieving uncle stranded once it became apparent they were too late?

Why would he have been 'stranded'? Not like the royals are short of luxury vehicles or alternative drivers to whisk them wherever and whenever they want to go.

William chose the same silent support approach as his late Granny.

The queen was dead at the funeral as well, should Andrew have stayed away from that?

That's a bit of a stretch from the point in hand but he stayed in the background and didn't attempt to seize centre stage. No-one could have an issue with that.

I’m reasonably sure being a victim of childhood sex trafficking wasn’t a barrel of laughs at the time.

Never mind in hindsight 🙄

I am talking about going to church as a safeguarding risk. Just that.

But he can't resist can he? At every opportunity he shows up, the fact he had been to the early morning service anyway, and he had no need to go on the walkabout one, seems to escape him. He is desperate to get back in to how it was before, people bowing and scraping to him, treating people beneath him like shit, lots of shiny medals on dress up day on the balcony. The public won't stand for it, not in a million years and I have no sympathy whatsoever. He has abused his position for decades and the JE debacle was the final straw that broke the camels back
Agree with this.

I didn't know much about him other than his Randy Andy reputation prior to the Epstein connection becoming public, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he's the sort of man who wants to feel big and important, having others massaging his ego and never saying no to him.

So, he is not a universal risk to young women?

They’d come off the same aircraft. What was William supposed to do? Tell him to get a bus?

And isn’t it the way that when there’s a death in the family the younger generation look after the older ones? So, for eg, if anything happened to me say 10ths from now my older grandchildren would drive their elders around as they’re the ones who’d have lost their mum.

'The public won't stand for it, not in a million years and I have no sympathy whatsoever. He has abused his position for decades and the JE debacle was the final straw that broke the camels back'

The public have short memories. If he keeps his nose clean and his head down I
can't see why he can't attend royal events. Some on mn make out he is the convicted sex offender rather than a stupid arrogant man, who like others in the Royal Family was pandered to for years. He should've been pulled up about his awful 'Randy Andy' reputation years ago.

There was something specific to the situation with VG that made it abusive? He knew she was being trafficked?

Why are you badgering one specific poster for her risk assessment of a man she’s never (I assume) met? i’ve no idea if @Roussette has professional expertise in online risk assessments of men she’s not met but I think it’s unlikely. how are any of us supposed to know what sort of risk he poses?

all we know is that he has a history of hanging out with child sex offenders

Or he believed - wrongly - she was up for it?

otherwise, why isn't he a risk at church? If he is a willing rapist?

rather than a self-obsessed/satisfied individual who thinks attractive young women would willingly have sex with him?

So refer him for a proper assessment of risk

The defence of Andrew on this thread is disgusting.

This. What a grubby thread. This board is dripping with misogyny.

And isn't the whole point of the thread is that he must pose a safeguarding risk given his association with a sex offender?

'all we know is that he has a history of hanging out with child sex offenders'

One. As did many famous people, yet strangely the FBI didn't appear to want to investigate other famous people. Maybe one member of the Brirish Royal family was enough to close the case and all the American associates weren't partying on islands at all! All very odd isn't it.

I don’t know the latter two women are but Autumn Phillips has well and truly moved on in life and has a new partner. I doubt she’d be wanting to go to Sandringham at Christmas these days.

They’d come off the same aircraft. What was William supposed to do? Tell him to get a bus?

As above.

Endless luxury motors and lackeys at their disposal. One more would have been neither here nor there but would have improved the optics dramatically.

I am a victim of sexual abuse

I recognise that abuse takes place in the corners that make the victim powerless.

I also recognise that some (a few, thank goodness) use that to play games

If that’s a reply to me - you’re wrong, again. It’s not announced as an engagement in the Court Circular.

And then someone would have complained about excess use of vehicles .
I find it hard to believe that anyone would snipe about 4 grieving relatives travelling together .