The King rejects cut-price coronation in favour of ‘glorious’ pomp and pageantry

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Monarch wants to use ceremony to showcase ‘UK plc’ internationally, despite being deeply conscious of the cost of living crisis

www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/12/21/king-rejects-cut-price-coronation-favour-glorious-pomp-pageantry/

How do you feel about this?

The event will be a once-in-a-lifetime spectacle of “glorious” pomp and pageantry
Erm, I'd better be alive to see Williams, I'm pushing it see to George's given I'm the same age as his parents. Not really nce I na lifetime for many people

Nothing finer than a sex offender in lots of gold & diamonds.
Hmm. I’ll have to think about that one.

Behind a paywall, but the first paragraph is pretty freaking nasty imo

“The 50-somethings have all taken early retirement, looking forward to a few decades of cruises and yoga undisturbed by anything so unpleasant as work. The 20-somethings are fuelling a boom in designer goods sales while still living with their parents. Much of the public sector is out on strike, demanding double-digit pay rises, while the private sector is loafing around in its PJs – officially known as working from home – expecting perks for occasionally showing up at the office. The British seem to have decided that this is so fantastically wealthy a country that they can afford every form...”

If you have a monarchy I’m not sure there is much point in a coronation without pomp. They are probably right re international publicity. So.. crack on, I guess.

She has to be crowned for it to be proper I think. But I think that’s the plan.

Symon Hill Excerpts from essay “Not my king”

“As a sinful and often selfish human being, I fail all the time to treat others as I wish to be treated. I cannot even aspire to do so if I do not treat them as my equals. To treat someone as inferior to me, or superior to me, is to violate the reality that we are equal in the sight and love of God.
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I cannot bow down to my fellow creature and call him “your majesty”. This is not because I don’t respect him but because I do respect him – as my equal. Charles Windsor is created in the image of God – as are you and I. He is sinful and fallible – as are you and I. God loves him – as God loves you and me.
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I cannot accept Charles as my lord. There is such arrogance and absurdity inherent in being told that we must accept and obey a new king and head of state about whom we have not been consulted. So I called out, “Who elected him?”

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A couple of people near me exercised their freedom of speech by telling me to shut up. I said that a head of state was being imposed without our consent and that we should not bow down to him.

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Guardian today:

Thames Valley police said on Friday that Symon Hill, 45, of Oxford, had been charged with using threatening or abusive words, or disorderly behaviour. It relates to comments allegedly made during the event at Carfax Tower, Oxford, on 11 September.9 hours ago

Man charged over comments during King Charles ...

Absolutely gobsmacked at the fact this man has been charged with ‘using threatening or abusive words, or disorderly behaviour.’

Not have a go at the British people, similar stuff is happening again in Australia, but am thinking those in power are getting many things wrong.

The coronation will be attended by crown princes and princesses from all over the world. You'd look absolutely ridiculous on the world stage if there wasn't any pomp.

I’m happy with pomp. We need the tourist income to the UK. Charles’ cost of living crisis coronation would not have same international appeal.
The government would also never realistically allow the Royals to let such an prominent event truthfully reflect the utter shitshow that the Tories have led the UK economy into over the past 12 years in power. So i think it will be pomp whether Charles likes it or not.

No I don't think so. Pps have said how other European monarchies don't have a coronation ceremony. I suppose they just make an announcement and then it carries on with the next heir. Much more sensible, and think of all the money saved.

It's all the medieval dressing up and anointing that's ridiculous. It's the 21st century FGS. I won't be watching.

Pps have said how other European monarchies don't have a coronation ceremony. I suppose they just make an announcement and then it carries on with the next heir. Much more sensible, and think of all the money saved.

Quixote a few of them have changed on arch in the last decade and so we know they do also have pomp though - parades, ermine robes, gala concerts, balcony appearances, church ceremonies, oaths publically taken etc. And as for the medieval dressing up (which they definitely don’t do here - knee breaches are Georgian, not medieval) they can’t hold a candle to the Japanese…

Some example photos - a parade in Belgium, at the Netherlands Cathedral ceremony and the Japanese.accession.

Quixote? Quite, thank you autocorrect.

I thought Charles was all in favour of slimming down the monarchy? I'm sure I remember reading that. An extravagant coronation seems to fly in the face of a leaner, more 'value for money' monarchy.

Also has William started letting homeless people live in the many Duchy of Cornwall properties? I remember reading that too.

Only thing that is certain is that we'll continue paying for them ad infinitum. What a joke.

So they do all the pomp but no actual crown put on the head? But I think that's the best part. There won't be many people who remember seeing two people with crowns on at the same time.

I thought Charles was all in favour of slimming down the monarchy?

Slimming down the monarchy just means less people. They'll still have state occasions and, receptions.

I have a problem with the idea that one person, any person, should be elevated above the rest of us.

In what way is Charles elevated above you? He might have a title but how does that impact on you? I don't feel he's elevated over me so I'm interested in your interpretation of why it feels like that for you.

So if slimming down the monarchy means less people, does that translate to lower costs? Or does it just mean fewer people get more money? I think I already know the answer.

Maybe view it more like coronations etc being fixed costs, and then less variable costs as less members?

Coronations don’t happen very often, so I’d be disappointed if it was bargain basement. Who wants to tune in and see that?

Absolutely gobsmacked at the fact (Symon Hill) has been charged with ‘using threatening or abusive words, or disorderly behaviour.’

Personally I'm not at all surprised, but find it useful in pointing up exactly how the establishment will strive to protect itself while being rather less concerned with others

It's also a useful lesson in the system already containing enough statutes to protect all ... but just try expecting anything to be done when the rest of us encounter "threatening or abusive words" or even actions

Actually I don’t think he is elevated above me, but I think it’s the intent -the whole ‘god’s anointed king’ is definitely meant to place him there. The king ascends the throne, God, king and then country. We have the thrones on the dais, the traditions, the birthright, the bowing and curtsying, the kissing the ring, the primo spot at the banquet table, the walking first into a room (for once it’d be nice to see a monarch jostle through a doorway with the rest of them), or the waiting until he arrives, calling him ‘sir’ in general conversation. Standing up when he enters the room, the order of bowing and curtsying order within the family….all intended to make the gen pop feel he is above us

Most of the sovereign grant is spent on upkeep of buildings, entertainment, etc. I should think The Dukes of Kent and Gloucester will be doing increasingly less, although they cost very little. It looks to me like age will take care of most of the royal family in the near future and that will leave charles, with his direct descendants. It's impossible to say how reducing the amount of people will reduce the costs, ie some costs are fixed regardless of people and the amount of other events will be cut because there won't be enough people to do them. I guess the govt would have to do a recalculation.

It seems to me like you're talking about general respect.
It's god, king and country. No 'then' included. Thrones are used so they can be identified and they're usually on a dais so everyone can see them. But, yeah, I guess they're a throwback to times when it was important for Kings to show their authority. They're often given the primo spot because most people dining want to be as near them as possible. Who kisses the ring? You'll never be asked to do it. It was actually a papal introduction. Then Kings, dukes and earls started doing it. It's really not something that happens today - although maybe it will at the coronation.
We don't see any head of states, elected or not, being jostled or jostling. It's undecorous.
Lots of people get called sir - including managers and customers.
Peoole stand when the US president enters the room. He's not a king. Again its just respect of the office as opposed to the individual. No one is expected to bow or curtsey - it's totally up to the individual.
It might have once been intended to make him seem more important but is that th same now? Because you don't think he is.
Ultimately, the king is there because the general population is ok about it and it works for them. Many people feel a genuine frisson at meeting a king or queen. I met the King of Sweden. He's nothing to do with me, holds no importance in my life, but I was excited by it. I would not have been excited by meeting their PM (whoever they were at the time). It's no different from people getting excited at meeting a singer or actor.

I do get where youre coming from, but whoever is head of state, be it a monarch or an ex footballer, pop star or politician, respect is going to be shown to them because of their office abd what they represent.

its his party!

it is just the Telegraph trying to make a Story

I want to see a spectacle so I hope its not scaled back