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To think the palace should issue a statement condemning Clarkson's comments?

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Reindeersnooker · 20/12/2022 16:01

I'm all for their dignified silence on everything else. I don't trust Harry or Megan. But Jeremy Clarkson's comments are horrific and were made in Britain against a woman who has become a member of their family.

NOT issuing a statement sends out such a hurtful message and indicates that anything can be said about her, for all they care. Even the MPs have managed to put something on paper.

It's clear that Harry will be beyond hurt if they do nothing and this time he'd have a point, IMO. Each comment like this published in the press erodes the boundaries for online trolls. If I was Meghan, I wouldn't feel I could return to the UK as it's clear the normal rules don't apply to her. What will her children think of Britain when they grow up and become aware of these articles? Won't they be likely to wonder how the palace responded? While it makes no sense to try and placate Harry generally, letting this play out without one word of censure to the press seems needlessly provocative.

It wouldn't be difficult to issue a statement saying something to the effect of "We stand against bullying and hate speech..." Two lines to indicate they see it and it's not ok.

Or not?

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antelopevalley · 20/12/2022 19:45

@PicturesOfDogs Kate is a stranger. None of us know how intelligent she is or her opinions. But her public persona is to have no real opinions beyond very bland ones. She reminds me of the old beauty queens who always wanted to work with children and travel the world. Never anything expressed that anyone could disagree with.

antelopevalley · 20/12/2022 19:46

Zuyi · 20/12/2022 19:44

I don't think they should respond. I've never liked Camilla, but it's absolutely ridiculous that she's being blamed for what some random celebrity wrote because she happened to be at the same venue as him on the day prior. People will always find a woman to blame, but that's such a stretch.

Camilla hosted the lunch. She did not just happen to be in the same hotel at the same time as Jeremy Clarkson.
If you organise a party do you really not take any responsibility for who you invite?

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 19:49

Coxspurplepippin · 20/12/2022 19:44

You're including Pippa in your '7' but not her mother Carole, who appears to have been wearing green. Sophie? Nope, cream.

Antelope is a close personal friend of them all and knows the REFUSED to ‘participate in the pettiness’ 😂 or maybe they just all wore the coats they wanted to wear? Or maybe they did do it as a show that they can wear the same colour - so what. Should they just sit there and let the lies about them slide? The Meghan sycophants don’t expect her to just tolerate lies about her

PicturesOfDogs · 20/12/2022 19:49

antelopevalley · 20/12/2022 19:45

@PicturesOfDogs Kate is a stranger. None of us know how intelligent she is or her opinions. But her public persona is to have no real opinions beyond very bland ones. She reminds me of the old beauty queens who always wanted to work with children and travel the world. Never anything expressed that anyone could disagree with.

But people do comment negatively on her intelligence, her appearance etc.
Shes been called a brood mare, a stepford wife, she was even called a mattress on here the other day.

That’s very different from saying ‘I don’t know what her opinions are’.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 19:50

antelopevalley · 20/12/2022 19:45

@PicturesOfDogs Kate is a stranger. None of us know how intelligent she is or her opinions. But her public persona is to have no real opinions beyond very bland ones. She reminds me of the old beauty queens who always wanted to work with children and travel the world. Never anything expressed that anyone could disagree with.

But why do we need to know her personality? We never knew the Queen’s personality. I’d rather the senior Royals remain bland and allow others they pay visits to and promote to hog the limelight

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 19:51

antelopevalley · 20/12/2022 19:46

Camilla hosted the lunch. She did not just happen to be in the same hotel at the same time as Jeremy Clarkson.
If you organise a party do you really not take any responsibility for who you invite?

@antelopevalley she didn’t host the lunch. You’ve been told this. Stop saying she did.

but even if she did (which she didn’t) - she’s not a clairvoyant, she can’t be punished for not knowing what his column was going to look like the next day

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 19:51

PicturesOfDogs · 20/12/2022 19:49

But people do comment negatively on her intelligence, her appearance etc.
Shes been called a brood mare, a stepford wife, she was even called a mattress on here the other day.

That’s very different from saying ‘I don’t know what her opinions are’.

She was also called a former prostitution on here the other day. But according to the same people no one is EVER mean about Catherine

Coxspurplepippin · 20/12/2022 19:52

'Camilla hosted the lunch.'

Did she now? Did you tell Ewan Ventners because I'm pretty sure he thought he was hosting.

antelopevalley · 20/12/2022 19:53

They don't really allow others to hog the limelight though. How much do you know about any of the early years projects Kate visits? Or Earthshot projects for William?
We hear all about what the Royals are doing.

Whether it is better for them to be publicly bland or have a visible personality only time will tell. But Diana was incredibly popular even though she was not a member of the Royal Family. And Harry and Meghan left 3 years ago, but people can't stop talking about them.

antelopevalley · 20/12/2022 19:54

Coxspurplepippin · 20/12/2022 19:52

'Camilla hosted the lunch.'

Did she now? Did you tell Ewan Ventners because I'm pretty sure he thought he was hosting.

All of the articles about it said Camilla hosted the lunch. And after the barrage of criticism he popped up saying actually I hosted the lunch. I don't believe it.

pelargoniums · 20/12/2022 19:55

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 19:38

I’d put money on that not being Kate’s first encounter with Charles and Camilla that day and there being no protocol need for the curtsy; done entirely for the riposte to Meghan.

Thats really not how it works but OK.

How does it work then and why did Kate need to curtsy?

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 19:55

This is the person who hosted the lunch.

Doesnt look like the Queen Consort to me. Unless she’s dyed her hair and grown stubble.

Of course the press are using clever wording such as ‘Clarkson was guest at Camilla’s lunch’ to trick the public into thinking she is in cahoots with him. And apparently it’s worked. Even people on this thread are claiming Camilla invited him personally for lunch the day after the article

To think the palace should issue a statement condemning Clarkson's comments?
antelopevalley · 20/12/2022 19:56

This is how the lunch was reported BEFORE the outcry by Jeremy Clarkson.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 19:58

antelopevalley · 20/12/2022 19:53

They don't really allow others to hog the limelight though. How much do you know about any of the early years projects Kate visits? Or Earthshot projects for William?
We hear all about what the Royals are doing.

Whether it is better for them to be publicly bland or have a visible personality only time will tell. But Diana was incredibly popular even though she was not a member of the Royal Family. And Harry and Meghan left 3 years ago, but people can't stop talking about them.

People talk about H&M because they give them plenty to talk about.

Diana was a total mess of a human being - not someone any woman should be emulating. She was only out the RF for about 2 years before her death. Hardly “not in the Royal Family”

Overshadow my arse. How many Invictus game winners do you know? Engagements are usually one off visits to people whose names we won’t remember - why would we expect to remember their names? That’s not ‘hogging the limelight’.

Are you going to acknowledge you were wrong about Camilla and the lunch (twice)?

Coxspurplepippin · 20/12/2022 19:59

'All of the articles about it said Camilla hosted the lunch'

So you're quite prepared to believe the press when it backs up your prejudices.

There were articles in the press prior to Clarkson's filth which confirm Ventners hosted the lunch. It was only after that it became 'Camilla's lunch'.

antelopevalley · 20/12/2022 19:59

Try again

To think the palace should issue a statement condemning Clarkson's comments?
LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 19:59

antelopevalley · 20/12/2022 19:54

All of the articles about it said Camilla hosted the lunch. And after the barrage of criticism he popped up saying actually I hosted the lunch. I don't believe it.

😂😂😂😂 FGS

heres an article about it pre-ClarksonGate

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11547817/amp/Dame-Judi-Dench-Piers-Morgan-Claudia-Winkleman-join-Camilla-star-studded-Mayfair-lunch.html

Let me guess - you will say the RF got the DM to amend it? Well I’m afraid the metadata will tell you something different.

Roussette · 20/12/2022 20:00

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 19:51

@antelopevalley she didn’t host the lunch. You’ve been told this. Stop saying she did.

but even if she did (which she didn’t) - she’s not a clairvoyant, she can’t be punished for not knowing what his column was going to look like the next day

She will have known about the really horrible article her wrote about Meghan in September. Her aides would make sure she knew.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 20:01

antelopevalley · 20/12/2022 19:59

Try again

That’s the article I linked to.

It says clearly in the text if you bothered to read it that Venters hosted the lunch.

Are you going to acknowledge you were wrong?

MarshaBradyo · 20/12/2022 20:01

I wonder how many more days this story will run. It has to pass at some point - although some will still talk about it like any topic.

I don’t think they should make a statement, but wouldn’t particularly care if they did.

pelargoniums · 20/12/2022 20:02

Diana was a total mess of a human being - not someone any woman should be emulating.
Lovely.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 20:02

Roussette · 20/12/2022 20:00

She will have known about the really horrible article her wrote about Meghan in September. Her aides would make sure she knew.

So she’s not to attend a lunch with 199 other guests because one other guest wrote something unpleasant about her step DIL? Is that how we expect women who’ve done nothing wrong to behave?

The misogyny towards anyone who is Royal and not Meghan is so ridiculous it’s almost funny

Roussette · 20/12/2022 20:03

For god's sake it doesn't matter who hosted the lunch! There are those that would have attended because Royalty was going to be there. The press have spun it that it's Camilla's star studded lunch. So even if it is exFortnum & Mason bloke you can't tell me the Palace had no information about it!

It's irrelevant. She was there at the lunch with two of the biggest hate merchants of her DIL. Happily there. And yes, she will have known those two wankers were going to be there. Piers and Jeremy.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 20:04

pelargoniums · 20/12/2022 20:02

Diana was a total mess of a human being - not someone any woman should be emulating.
Lovely.

Well she was.

She treated her boys appallingly. William has talked about how he used to pass her notes under her door when she was being hysterical and wouldn’t come out.

She threw herself down the stairs when pregnant to get attention (her own admission)

Countless affairs with married men.

Public smiles at her exH with NO regard for how her teenage/pre teen sons might feel about their mother airing her dirty laundry about their father.

I know we are supposed to pretend St Diana The Wronged was the perfect human but anyone with half a brain can see she’s not someone to laud and admire

oreste · 20/12/2022 20:05

Kate is a stranger. None of us know how intelligent she is or her opinions. But her public persona is to have no real opinions beyond very bland ones.

We can tell some of this through observing her. Just like we can about other posters on Mumsnet @antelopevalley You might not be the right person to comment on the intelligence or quality of opinion of another woman? 😏