To really like Meghan markle

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I really do

MM is more than just her race and there is much more that plays into how the public perceive her than just the colour of her skin. The way 'you come across' encompasses lots of things from how you look, how you speak, the sincerity you convey and things like subtle body language that humans can subconsciously read. Whilst we all have unconscious bias towards certain things like race, sex age etc, there are also universal elements that transcend this and alert people to inconsistencies or inauthenticity in others. Incongruence in people's demeanor and what they are saying is intrinsically unsettling.

If she is genuine, then I actually think the biggest influence on how she is being perceived is that she is an actress and potentially (maybe unintentionally) utilises some of the skills she has in interviews to convey emotion and events. People pick up on this and assume that the acting is actually disingenuous when maybe it is just a tool she uses to express herself. Personally though, I have known quite a few people IRL who have similar level of inconsistency (mostly white, middle aged men) and everytime the facade is masking something pretty undesirable about their personality and true intentions.

Titles are hard to come by. And are, in many ways, a gift.

If you were given a title as a gift then would you give it away? You wouldn’t get another…

I’d argue Kate is an actress too. The royal family are performing a show and the show must go on with its actors and actresses.

Of course they are. I'm just perplexed that some people seem to be taking the Netflix documentary as 'the truth' and talking about the lies in the British press when really we have no idea what the actual truth is. It's just what we as individuals believe.

6 hours worth of talking and not one admission of any mistake or miss-step. Not one gentle "I know I got things wrong but..." or "I could have done this better but...". The both of them are incapable of any humility or normal human reflection on their own behaviour. Everything is someone else's fault.

And with Markle if you imagine yourself saying the things that she says you'd be embarrassed at the constant self-praise and aggrandisement. Somehow in her American accent she gets away with it. Constant phrases like "I'm so grateful that I could support my husband in this moment". Reader: I am humble and selfless.

She has it down to an art and once you see it you can't unsee it.

@Inspecto
I’d argue Kate is an actress too. The royal family are performing a show and the show must go on with its actors and actresses
I disagree. Of course the RF behave in a certain way and a lot of what they do is rooted in formality, tradition and keeping a stiff upper lip, but when I watch William and Kate's engagement interview or hear her being interviewed on her own she comes across as genuine. Guarded, careful and a bit uptight but still genuine.

Actually harry did say he made a big mistake dressing as a natzi and what he did afterwards

6 hours worth of talking and not one admission of any mistake or miss-step. Not one gentle "I know I got things wrong but..."

Untrue. Harry said he handled Meghan's mental health crisis badly, as 'institutional' Harry rather than 'husband' Harry and really regrets it.

Both have said they were probably naive. Meghan made fun of herself not knowing how to curtsey (but of course that was then spun as mocking the Queen/RF/British culture/all that is sacred).

That too.

Yeah I like her, I find her quite funny. She’s a lively character, quite intense, as is he. I think they’re good together and I wish them well.

Don't have an opinion on MM per se.

It's the almost Bashir-esque repeat of history that puzzles me. They don't need the cash, could easily have popped off for a walk on Malibu with the kids and built sandcastles in relative peace. Instead, they have chosen to go to war with MSM and the firm?

What the fuck for, I ask myself before swiftly diverting my attention to my laundry pile.

I like her.

I find it quite creepy how obsessed people seem to be over her, and how they feel like they can make decisions on behalf of the royal family regarding their titles. So much of it comes down to snobbery and racism over a black American woman daring to challenge the white royal family.

Literally, a family full of paedophiles, racists and adulterers but Megan is the problem?

I had no strong feelings before watching the documentary but if I'm honest I probably was guilty of siding against them all be it very mildly, because of the press headlines.

But the doc has changed my opinion. She seems rather nice and they just want to tell their side of it.

Good for them. I hope the press leaves them alone 😔

I don’t like or dislike her. I just don’t care about all this he said/she said rubbish.

I've always liked her. The worst I could say is that she and Harry are a bit pretentious and take themselves too seriously. I'm only on episode 5 of the documentary but I think they have been very careful in how they talk about both of their families, with their main gripes being how the institution handled things. But people who form their opinions from reading the Daily Mail will disagree as there's headline after headline accusing him of attacking his family.

I'm deeply uncomfortable with the completely disproportionate media hate campaign that's been levelled against her. I've never witnessed anything like it in my lifetime; serial killers get an easier pass. It would break most people, and I admire anyone with the strength and fortitude to withstand that.

Windsor PR have done a complete number on her, I suspect aided and abetted by those in the media loyal to them. In dissecting and disproving small, inconsequential points that don't marry up, they can paint them as liars and cast doubt on every word they say. It's as effective a mechanism for disarming someone's voice as the claim that they are barking mad (cf. Princess Diana, and the strategy they used against her). She's taking on a battle she has no hope of winning; the narrative's set in stone. Windsor PR are good.

I don't care about the 'who said what to whom' brand of tit for tat. That's boring. The Nelson Mandela claim and cringeworthy Wimbledon photos also looked terrible. But some major things - things affecting the heart of a corrupt establishment which really are in the public interest - are clearly the truth.

I believe her on the point that at least one, maybe two of the different households was briefing against them. It's Charles's clear MO (Cf. Diana) and it obviously wasn't the queen. As these stories were spilling one on top of the other, you only needed to look at who was being portrayed as a saint in a stained-glass window, and who'd had devil's horns, forked tails and pitchforks drawn on them. Despite recent journalists' protestations, it was as plain as the nose on your face.

I also believe them about the racism. As if the Windsors don't have an unassailable track-record as long as your arm in evidence of that.

I admire her for having the balls to fight fire with fire. I also think she's wasting her breath and will fail, as others have before her.

NB, I haven't seen the documentary.

Great post and I agree with you completely. It’s frightening how much power and influence the RF’s PR machine have

Could you explain where she has “been shown to habitually exaggerate and change narratives to suit her own agenda” or are you saying that because you read it in the Daily Mail? 🙄

The more we learn about the RF the more I feel they have to go now. It is an outdated concept that is being dragged into some semblance of normality - but those who take this on get shat on from a great height. Enough is enough.

I was indifferent and thought of her as a character in a soap rather than a real person but have watched all of the documentary and founder her endearing and believe her. But dear God, that awful twee, cliched wedding speech she read out for the closing sequence was awful, I cringed like I do when I've watched Ali G or David Brent. If I was at any wedding and a grown woman made a speech like that I would struggle to ever take them seriously again.

They do things differently in America I think. Probably seemed pretty normal over there.

Look, doesn't matter what you think of H&M, the fact is, they buggered off for peace & quiet, and erm..
Wish they'd just STFU.

I don’t like people who bully their staff from a position of power given to them all of 5 minutes ago. I also don’t like people who ditch their own family/father because got in with people of a higher social standing so think they are beneath them. Don’t like people who allow their friends to leak parts of a private letter to the media they wrote to their father, as damage limitation, then run to lawyers when that father shows the whole letter to the media. Don’t like people who marry into a centuries old institution and have the arrogance to think they can revolutionise it after being part of it for 5 minutes despite insisting they knew nothing about it. Don’t like people who think people care what they say just because the married into said institution and then use that as a platform to try to destroy it. Don’t like people who accuse people of racism with no substance. Don’t like people who complain their fit for the future king of England rent free home subsided by tax payers wasn’t grand enough.

Also don’t like people who are dumb and naive enough to believe a bad actress who acts badly.

@ChillyFingers Spot on.