Can Charles remove Harry's 'prince' title

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I've noticed that the Removal of Titles Bill is going through Parliament and people have been talking a lot about Harry and Meghan losing their titles. Does this just refer to the Duke and Duchess titles, or does this also include stripping Harry of being a prince?

The King can remove princely titles in the UK, just as Queen Margrethe did in Denmark. It has actually happened before. His Highness Prince Alastair Arthur of Connaught (At the time, great-grandchildren of a monarch in the male line were “Highness” rather than “Royal Highness”) was no longer a highness or a prince after the Letters Patent of 1917. He became Alastair Windsor, Earl of MacDuff, a courtesy title as heir to his mother who was a Duchess in her own right.

The King can decide who are princes/princess/HRH, but only Parliament can remove a peerage or alter the line of succession.

I do not think Charles would wish to remove any of their titles, because there was such a lot of negative feedback when Diana lost her HRH status (she was no longer a working royal).
Also, it looks a bit petty to remove the Duke and Duchess title, and what is to stop them from continuing to use them anyway. They would still be known as Prince Harry and also Princess Meghan (a title that is actually incorrect - should be Princess Henry, as similar to Princess Michael of Kent, whose real name is Marie - I think).
Personally, I would remove the Duke and Duchess title, which was given on the assumption they would be 'working' members of the RF, (ie represent the RF and the UK)
Charles has no leverage to stop them monetising themselves or their name.
The only leverage he has is to remove them from the RF website, or reduce the amount of words, and especially the links to private websites, which they do not include for other RF members.
He could (and probably should) remove the titles from Archie and Lilibet, who have no relationship with the UK, and are being brought up in the US, but I can already hear the shouts of racism, if he were to do so.

Imo Charles won’t remove any titles, or be part of any campaign to have them removed.

He won’t remove the Dutchy because then they becomeThe Prince and Princess Harry. Not only will leaving Megan with the title HRH The Princess Harry (Henry) highlight the sexism of titles in the RF, but it will very very quickly in the media become Prince Harry and Princess Meghan. As we’ve already seen grow more and more common with Kate being referred to Princess Kate rather than the Princess of Wales.

IMO none of them will ever get involved in removing Princely titles because they won’t want the public to realise it’s actually possible (and not that difficult). Thinking back - imagine how much of a campaign there would have been for Charles to be stripped of his titles when he was so unpopular at the time of Diana’s death. All the calls for him to step aside for William etc. The drama over Kate’s illness and the criticism William received shows how quickly you can be the current unpopular one.

They all know that the next one to be massively unpopular could be them, and in William’s case could be one of his children. They’ll not risk themselves just to rid Harry, or Andrew, of titles.

Once removing titles starts then it could quickly become something that happens semi regularly, then regularly and then they’ll be finished.

Yup.

A very slippery slope! One without a rope.

Imelda Marcos really, but maybe you meant it to stay at Imelda Markle.

Was she an auntie of Joyce?

It was a feeble joke!

Who is Joyce?

Who IS Joyce? That is the question.

Joyce appears on page 20. Just hop back a page.

Joyce is Brenda’s sister

All Charles gives a tit about is Camilla.

Harry doesn't like her, she doesn't like him thus everyone suffers. Camilla is the real villain, it fucking amazes me no one sees it.

The Spensers are descended from James II through Arabella Churchill. If Harry ends up on the throne, he could be the 21st Century James II, Meghan the new Mary of Moderna, and Archie the Old Pretender. They could inspire Outlander Redux.

Oh don’t be ridiculous.

I personally think that at some point Prince and Princess titles will be removed from Archie and Lilibet, Beatrice and Eugenie, and going forward it will only be George's (the direct line of succession) children who are Prince or Princess. There will have to be a change made then anyway because it would plainly be a nonsense for Louis to pass on titles to his children but not Charlotte, when she (and her future children) would be higher in the line of succession. There were already hints this was the idea going forward when it was announced that Edward and Sophie's children would not be known as Prince and Princess.

I would imagine though that there is an unwillingness to remove the titles from the late Queen's cousins, especially those who are still working royals (the Duke of Kent is also a Prince for example, and still undertaking duties at 88!). That's why I think this may occur in ten years or so.

It fucking amazed me that anyone would think that !
You don’t think Harry has brought the bad feeling on himself ?

The Sussexes seem not to understand how they came by their titles and in whose gift they reside. Perhaps they need a visit from the Men in Grey Suits to explain in words of one syllable how easily they can be revoked.

It wont make any difference if they are removed or not. These two don't have the love, respect or admiration of the majority of sane people living here. It's laughable that would use the titles to further their globalist ambitions while that is the elephant in every palace or embassy they visit in the world. It makes them jokes from the get go

I agree about the need to change how prince/ss styles are handed down, but think it needs to be done before any of the Wales DC marry (or are seriously coupled up)

So I'd let those who have them now continue to hold them in line with the rules at the time of their birth, but change it going forward to direct line only. Any other titles can be determined later (I think the "Princess MaleName" title isn't really acceptable now, and a dukedom/earldom might still be the best way round it)

I agree that the best approach is to reduce the titles prospectively and not affect anyone who presently holds them. The Princess [MaleName] issue can be easily resolved without dukedoms by taking the continental approach and for example, letting Louis's wife be known as Princess Willow or whatever other currently trendy name his future bride has.

Of course, the York dukedom will be vacant at some point, so he could have that.

I don’t think they’ll change how they hand the Prince/Princess titles out. The numbers of grandchildren are smaller in each generation and not likely to suddenly boom again. Charles only has 2 grandchildren likely to be automatically entitled to pass on Princely titles and I’d bet Louis will be encouraged down the route Edward took with his children. Technically this, but known as that, and I’d bet he’ll have a lifetime Dukedom as well.

They need enough little Princes and Princesses to keep the public interested in them to keep the whole show going. Without the interest they’ll all quickly be out of their role.

They don’t have any interest in sorting the sexist issue with titles as that could easily have been done in the LPs issued when the primogeniture rules were changed. I think they’ll simply get round that with special LPs if George, for example, has a daughter first.

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"So I'd let those who have them now continue to hold them in line with the rules at the time of their birth, but change it going forward to direct line only."
I agree with this.
I also think it should be a condition of the Prince and Princess title, that the relevant person is brought up and educated mainly in the UK.
It is currently ridiculous that Archie and Lilibet have prince and princess titles when they live in the US; Lilibet born in the US; are not seen; know nothing about the UK, etc, so it angers me that they have titles, and are in the line of succession.
However, I would not actually remove the titles, or line of Succession at this point. Why pre empt something that may not be required.
The Dukes of Kent and Gloucester do currently have male heirs who would inherit the titles, The Duke of York does not, so his title will revert to the crown when he dies.
So ultimately, I think the letters patent should be amended or issued (or whatever it is), so say restrict the titles, and ensure they are educated in Britain.
With regards to Harry, it would look very petty to remove any of their titles, and I do not think they will do so. It looks ridiculors from Harry and Megans point of view, in that they said how awful the RF are, the protocol, the camera clicks, the constant being in the public eye, yet they insist on keeping their titles and using them everywhere they go, which makes them look like hypocrites.

Whatever they do, they do need to address the sexism issues. It is really not defensible that Charlotte's children would be treated differently than Louis's when she is senior to him in birth and in the line of succession. In addition, the Princess [HisName] is also very sexist just as Mrs. John Smith is for a married woman. Technically, even Catherine has lost her first name and won't get it back until she is Queen.

I think in future they will be very wary of handing out titles, and sadly, I suspect they will also be very wary of future spouses.
Not sure how you can ensure one's actual son/daughter does not do a pile on, tho

The George V letters patent provided for a different time and different circumstances. Even then they were intended to reduce the number of titles floating around. I’m sure action will be taken, but it has to be for reasons which make sense constitutionally, and not just because the present incumbents are not up to snuff.

The Sussex Dukedom could be converted to a non hereditary one, as happened with the Duke of Edinburgh. Meghan and Harry could keep their titles (but not the HRH) until death, at which time the Sussex title would be returned to the Crown and mothballed for ever.

It’s ridiculous for their children to have titles. They won’t know the difference and are clearly never going to be part of the royal family, working or otherwise. I have some sympathy with the view that princes and princesses of the UK should live and be educated there but no idea how that could be enforced. Better a clean break on the basis that as US citizens their allegiance is elsewhere.

I don't think that the terms of the Sussex dukedom (or any other dukedom) can be converted (now its been created) except by parliament.

So I think it's by far the most likely that changes will be made for the next generation. Which might mean less senior titles or possibly lifetime ones.

I doubt they'll go as far as creating a newly married-in woman as a princess of the UK (something which she would then be able to keep, even in the event of a divorce and remarriage) and will stick with the ennobling of younger sons. But then they need to think about what happens with the spouses of their elder sisters (Princess Margaret pattern if eldest, and Princess Anne for others?)