Can Charles remove Harry's 'prince' title

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I've noticed that the Removal of Titles Bill is going through Parliament and people have been talking a lot about Harry and Meghan losing their titles. Does this just refer to the Duke and Duchess titles, or does this also include stripping Harry of being a prince?

I think that would be a slippery slope for the monarchy. Today it's Harry but tomorrow it could be Prince George, Princess Charlotte or their children. We don't know what the future holds.

I think if he gives it up it goes back to the crown?

how can he not be a prince? he was born one.

The King can do that with Letters Patent (prince), as has been done in the past (wholesale for those who fought for Germany in WWI, as a one-off and at her request for one of his cousins just after WWI).

I think losing the dukedom would take an Act of Parliament - he could have renounced it in the UK within a year of it being granted (Tony Benn fought a campaign to be able to renounce his inherited peerage so he could continue to sit in the House of Commons as an MP).

I assume renouncing his titles in the USA would make no difference in the UK, because there isn't a mechanism here for renouncing them.

Peerage Act 1963 - Wikipedia (insert usual warning about relying on Wiki!)

'To disclaim a hereditary peerage, the peer must deliver an instrument of disclaimer to the Lord Chancellor within one year of succeeding to the peerage, or within one year after the passage of the Act, or, if under the age of 21 at the time of succession, before the peer's 22nd birthday.'

'The peerage remains without a holder until the death of the peer who had made the disclaimer, when it descends to his or her heir in the usual manner.'

I would imagine Harry would fight tooth and nail, invoke all sorts of legal action if anyone tried to take away his title.

I remember being impressed with his 'just call me Harry' when they moved to the US, which lasted all of 5 minutes. (I was a supporter then and thought good on them for moving on from the RF considering how unhappy they both were).

I do think his children should not have those regal titles, thats an even bigger hypocrisy, so hopefully Charles will do something in a similar vein to how some of the Scandinavian Royal Families have modernised the Royal lineage titles.

i really think it would be a bad move.
curious, not derail, but if KC did that to Harry he would have to do the same to andrew. what happens if he did that. would the york women still be princess?

Duke and prince/ss are not connected.

Beatrice and Eugenie are HRH Princess under the 1917 Letters Patent (grandchildren of the monarch through the male line), and Andrew HRH Prince (not using the HRH) under the same Letters Patent.

Removing the dukedom would make no difference, and it will revert to the Crown when Andrew dies (assuming he doesn't remarry and have a son!)

so Harrys children would be covered by the same patent?

Maybe the Duke of York title will be sent to the rubbish bin when Andrew dies, much like QEII did with Duke of Windsor title. Never to be used again...

Yes - that's where the whole 'their HRH Prince/ss were withheld because racism' claim falls down.

The 1917 LP limits HRH Prince/ss to children of the monarch, and grandchildren through the male line.

Since Charles became King they were grandchildren (rather than great-grandchildren of QE2) so are HRH Prince/ss.

Of course, the monarch can also issue further Letters Patent, as QE2 did to make all William's children HRH Prince/ss from birth. Under the 1917 LP only William's eldest son would have been from birth. In 1917 the eldest son would have leap frogged any older sister, but that has now changed.

In 1919 one of George's cousin, also a male line grandchild (grand daughter) asked him to take away her title as she was marrying a commoner and wanted to live a private life.

So basically HRH Prince/ss is in the gift of the monarch

Duke of York has a lot longer history as a royal dukedom (the Grand Old Duke of etc!), whereas I think Windsor was specially created for Edward VIII?

Yes, DoY is brought out intermittently for second sons apparently
Wiki says Louis would be next one 😮

@wildernesssw thanks. I did try to ask without bringing A&L into but couldn't.
I can't comment on the racism part, as I don't know what she was told by the palace.

DoY - 8 times, usually but not always for the second son. First time in 1385, according to Wiki...

I’ll be very surprised if the Beatrice, Eugenie, Archie and ‘Lilibet’ titles survive William’s reign.

I expect they will survive - the titles can't be passed on by the girls, and Archie can pass on the Dukedom but not the HRH Prince.

So it would be a huge fuss and upheaval, when the titles will die out naturally (IYSWIM).

Any fuss and upheaval will be temporary- as in Denmark - but worth it in the long run.

I suspect William is drawing up the plans with his advisors already. There’s a steeliness to him - his revenge on H&M will definitely be served cold.

Unless Andrew remarries and has a son!

I wouldn’t be. None of them can pass on the HrH or the Prince or Princess titles so its not an ongoing issue.

Plus any changes he makes will also impact his children and grandchildren.

i think the changes he may make will actually mean potentially more titles as I think he may change it to all grandchildren of the monarch if Charlotte is a working royal so that her children aren’t the only untitled ones.

I’ll be very surprised if the Beatrice, Eugenie, Archie and ‘Lilibet’ titles survive William’s reign.

I think they will survive. I think it unlikely that William will do anything that has a retroactive effect. And if he demotes Harry's children, it will be difficult to do it in a way that does not demote his grandchildren to be. So that may be a factor.

I think all Royal Dukedoms, should be for life, and only given as long as the person is a 'working member' of the Royal Family- as has now happened with the 'Duke of Edinburgh' title. I think that should be retrospective too- so that the sons and daughters of the Dukes of Kent and Gloucester should not inherit any titles at all.
Apart from the heir to the throne and his/her children - no one should inherit the titles HRH Prince or Princess. When the children reach 21, that title should disappear or be turned into a 'working royal' title for life eg HRH Prince Louie at 21 becomes either someone without a title if he chooses not to be a 'working royal' or become HRH The Duke of..... for life.

That would mean- Beatrice, Eugenie, Harry, Archie and Lillibet losing their Prince and Princess titles, The Wessex children losing their titles (unless they become 'working royals', all the children of Duke of Kent and Duke of Gloucester and Prince Micheal, losing theirs and Prince and Princess Micheal and Princess Alexandra losing theirs and The Earl of Snowdon and his children and Lady Sarah Armstrong-Jones losing theirs.
Andrew's titles should be formally removed now- all of them, and the house on the Royal Estate.

The sons of the D of Kent and D of Gloucester do fuck-all for their titles and will inherit Royal Dukedoms. They are very privileged as are Beatrice, Eugenie, Harry and Andrew. None of them do a jot for the Royal Family.

The sons of the D of Kent and D of Gloucester do fuck-all for their titles and will inherit Royal Dukedoms

They don’t inherit royal Dukedoms. Their Dukedoms will be non-royal.

They are only currently royal Dukedoms because the current holders are titled royals.

Point taken- mine is still no one should be inheriting a royal dukedom, even if, on inheritance, it ceases to be royal. We should not be creating Dukedoms/Earldoms/Marquessates (?) or any other hereditary title these days.