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Can Charles remove Harry's 'prince' title

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gottogo23 · 10/12/2022 12:47

I've noticed that the Removal of Titles Bill is going through Parliament and people have been talking a lot about Harry and Meghan losing their titles. Does this just refer to the Duke and Duchess titles, or does this also include stripping Harry of being a prince?

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BattenburgSlice · 13/12/2022 00:08

The sooner we become a republic the better…hopefully H&M will expedite it.

BreadInCaptivity · 13/12/2022 00:41

Personally I think C&W would be wise to do nothing.

Any attempt to remove titles will just add more drama to the Sussex narrative of continual victimhood.

Ultimately H&M can only sell the same story so many times before it has no value - there is absolutely no point in giving them another chapter for a book or premise for another so-called documentary (so-called because it's a PR piece of their version of events without any push back/balance).

I feel H&M have made a big mistake in how they have approached their exit from the RF.

I don't blame them for wanting a different life, but they strike me as highly impulsive, quick to circle the wagons and unwilling/unable think about the longer term consequences of their approach.

It's been years now since they left the RF and the Netflix/book deal will bleed them dry on "inside info".

What then? Other deals such as Pearl have been pulled and Netflix's subscriptions are on a downturn.

Yes the viewing figure are good - but at what cost?

H's family relations are dust I would imagine bit think beyond that.

H&M are trying to cultivate a megawatt brand and to do that you need to be "in" with the movers and shakers - many of with are tellingly absent from their TV show and they notably have not been invited to key events high profile events you might expect they would have been a shoo in for (Obama birthdays, Met Gala etc).

I can't help wonder if you were an A lister (protective of your brand and privacy) just how wary you would be in befriending a couple prepared to sell out their own family for £££. If I was Beyoncé or Michelle I wouldn't be inviting them to dinner for fear I'd just be another "episode".

I can't see this ending well, even if the series and book are a success and I think that's sad.

They both had an amazing opportunity both within the RF and outside it, yet they seem to continue with a very reactive and short term perspective of their situation.

vera99 · 13/12/2022 00:52

antelopevalley · 12/12/2022 17:02

The Palace released a story that William had an IQ test after he left school and his IQ put him in the genius category.

Have you a link for that as it seems un-effing believable !

Plot twist at the end of episode 6 Harry reveals he's had a DNA test and his real father is...... James Hewitt

the credits roll and as Alan Partridge used to say and on that bombshell

to be continued....

MarshaMelrose · 13/12/2022 02:24

Stay over? What a night or two
She lives there for nothing and has done for over a decade.

So what? Why does she have to do anything? As long as they pay their own bills why is it a problem? Were you kicking up a similar fuss when Harry moved his girlfriend in with him in the grounds of KP? Likewise, Prince Andrew pays for the lodge and he can have his girlfriend live with him if he wants.

Roussette · 13/12/2022 06:15

Girlfiend! 😂😂

It all might be water under the bridge anyway, because Charles I think has earmarked this massive Estate for W&K so Andrew and his 'girlfriend' might have to shack up somewhere else!

I know nothing about Harry moving a girlfriend into KP, do enlighten me! Was it Meghan moving in with him to a KP apartment prior to their marriage? A little different than the scenario I'm talking about....

MarshaMelrose · 13/12/2022 12:53

Roussette · 13/12/2022 06:15

Girlfiend! 😂😂

It all might be water under the bridge anyway, because Charles I think has earmarked this massive Estate for W&K so Andrew and his 'girlfriend' might have to shack up somewhere else!

I know nothing about Harry moving a girlfriend into KP, do enlighten me! Was it Meghan moving in with him to a KP apartment prior to their marriage? A little different than the scenario I'm talking about....

Yes, Harry moved Meghan into KP and then Nottingham Cottage when she was still a girlfriend. Why is that OK (which I think it is) but it's not OK for Andrew and Sarah (which I also think it is) who have had a long relationship and children together?

LuluBlakey1 · 13/12/2022 13:01

Roussette · 13/12/2022 06:15

Girlfiend! 😂😂

It all might be water under the bridge anyway, because Charles I think has earmarked this massive Estate for W&K so Andrew and his 'girlfriend' might have to shack up somewhere else!

I know nothing about Harry moving a girlfriend into KP, do enlighten me! Was it Meghan moving in with him to a KP apartment prior to their marriage? A little different than the scenario I'm talking about....

I don't think you understand how the Royal Estates company or public financing of the RF work at all. You are simply being provocative or are completely ill-informed.

Roussette · 13/12/2022 15:11

LuluBlakey1 · 13/12/2022 13:01

I don't think you understand how the Royal Estates company or public financing of the RF work at all. You are simply being provocative or are completely ill-informed.

Thanks for that!

I know what I know

lynneuk · 03/01/2023 02:14

Harry is no longer Wales that surname is William and Catherine`s surname now since becoming Prince and Princess of Wales. Harry is now Mountbatten-Windsor

lynneuk · 03/01/2023 02:33

Andrew has a 75 year lease on Royal lodge and has lived there with his ex wife since 2002 I cant see him leaving the lodge and I am pretty sure the queen would have made sure he was catered for. W&K will eventually move into Windsor Castle but are happy in Adelaide Cottage and dont want to uproot the children so soon after moving there. Charles finds the Castle too noisy as its on the flight path. H&M lived in Nottingham cottage until work was finished on their apartment in KP but instead they moved to Frogmore Cottage.

sashh · 03/01/2023 03:46

Sorry if this has already been answered but if Andrew loses the 'Duke of York' title what happens to his daughters titles?

I think, they technically lost their titles when they married as they should have their husband's name but I might have just made that up.

Also if DoY is removed, it is generally used for the monarch's second son ie Harry, but I can't see that happening.

PicturesOfDogs · 03/01/2023 04:17

Just an FYI for those talking about the early documentary, that was only available in the archives.
Its on YouTube and has been for about a month by the looks of it

GelPens1 · 03/01/2023 04:22

Prince Harry shouldn’t lose his title. I’ve only watched 4 episodes of their Netflix series, but they mainly slate the media rather than the RF.

Andrew has committed crimes a LOT worse than Harry and hasn’t lost his titles. Harry was angry about the racist media coverage of his wife and his family’s refusal to help. Andrew was friends with Epstein and tied to a 17 year old trafficked sex worker. Charles has also done worse things than Harry (his horrific treatment of his late wife Diana) and still became king.

Rockybooboo · 03/01/2023 07:24

GelPens1 · 03/01/2023 04:22

Prince Harry shouldn’t lose his title. I’ve only watched 4 episodes of their Netflix series, but they mainly slate the media rather than the RF.

Andrew has committed crimes a LOT worse than Harry and hasn’t lost his titles. Harry was angry about the racist media coverage of his wife and his family’s refusal to help. Andrew was friends with Epstein and tied to a 17 year old trafficked sex worker. Charles has also done worse things than Harry (his horrific treatment of his late wife Diana) and still became king.

I'm with you. Charles is not an honourable man.

saffronrabbit · 03/01/2023 12:28

I've read somewhere (and wonder if it's true?) if they lose their duke & duchess titles then Harry remains a prince therefore Meghan can start calling herself Princess?
Does that sound correct?

Anyway, I don't think Charles will ever strip them of their titles. I don't think he will respond or act in any way (but I also don't think he'll be giving titles to their children either) has he even met Lilibet?

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 03/01/2023 12:37

saffronrabbit · 03/01/2023 12:28

I've read somewhere (and wonder if it's true?) if they lose their duke & duchess titles then Harry remains a prince therefore Meghan can start calling herself Princess?
Does that sound correct?

Anyway, I don't think Charles will ever strip them of their titles. I don't think he will respond or act in any way (but I also don't think he'll be giving titles to their children either) has he even met Lilibet?

Yes that's correct. Harry will always be Prince Harry/Henry. She would then become Princess Harry/Henry.

LuluBlakey1 · 03/01/2023 12:51

I think Charles can but it would require a 'change of legislation' (not sure what exactly) that said only the first born child of a monarch/heir to the throne is titled 'Prince' or 'Princess' . It would mean everyone in the RF except William and George also lost their Prince /Princess titles but that is no bad thing- most have another title eg Duke of Kent/Gloucester/York, Earl of Wessex.

If he wished, Charles could also make the only titles in the family those given to :
a) Working Royals - eg Anne/Edward/Sophie and make them non-hereditary.
b) The only children given titles as those of POW and only the first born/heir to be Prince/Princess. The others could have a minor title until they are 21 and they then either become a working royal and get a lifetime Duke/Duchess or they give up their title.

user1492757084 · 03/01/2023 13:59

No, and the BRF needs to stay out of the gutter in how it responds to Harry's turmoil. He is obviously unhinged. Nothing will stop the media broadcasting as much as they can about this but the King needs to stay calm and kind.

Roussette · 03/01/2023 14:09

GelPens1 · 03/01/2023 04:22

Prince Harry shouldn’t lose his title. I’ve only watched 4 episodes of their Netflix series, but they mainly slate the media rather than the RF.

Andrew has committed crimes a LOT worse than Harry and hasn’t lost his titles. Harry was angry about the racist media coverage of his wife and his family’s refusal to help. Andrew was friends with Epstein and tied to a 17 year old trafficked sex worker. Charles has also done worse things than Harry (his horrific treatment of his late wife Diana) and still became king.

@GelPens1 Totally agree. But I'm afraid those that don't like the couple write endless posts insinuating that they spend 6 episodes slagging off the RF. This is mostly from people who watched 10 minutes 'and couldn't stomach anymore' or something like that.

I think he's brave confronting the media over here. It's toxic and unpleasant and he's doing everyone a favour to be honest.

Andrew has been protected and always will be. He did far more damage to the Monarchy than H&M but his protection happens because there is a helluva lot more on him and his dodgy dealings for the last 30 years. Taking any title away would open up that particular can of worms and the likes of Charles and William know that full well. Hence the protection.

Harry is just a diversion. No wonder he's pissed off. I would be too.

purpledalmation · 03/01/2023 14:22

Harry's latest offering on 60 minutes (trailer) he says all the press stories originated in the royal family. So he blames them primarily

purpledalmation · 03/01/2023 14:28

@Roussette Andrew hasn't been protected. The media have torn him to shreds. His name is mud. The royal family have stripped him of all his ceremonial titles and stopped him performing royal duties. Not sure how ignoring him is protecting him? Harry and Meghan have had similar treatment because it was their choice to walk away. No issue with that, good for them. The difference is (apart from one disasterous interview) he's kept his mouth shut and kept a low profile. Attended church Christmas Day ...minor.

Harry and Meghan in the other hand have monetised every single grievance they can muster over 7 hours of TV and various books and articles.

Most people would like them to shut up and live their lives in peace. They have more than enough millions, they just need to stop spending so much.

SenecaFallsRedux · 03/01/2023 14:29

sashh · 03/01/2023 03:46

Sorry if this has already been answered but if Andrew loses the 'Duke of York' title what happens to his daughters titles?

I think, they technically lost their titles when they married as they should have their husband's name but I might have just made that up.

Also if DoY is removed, it is generally used for the monarch's second son ie Harry, but I can't see that happening.

If Andrew lost his Duke of York title, it would have no effect on Beatrice and Eugenie, except that they would no longer be "of York." They would still be HRH Princess, unless the King removed those titles. Also, they did not lose those titles when they married. They are not required to use their husbands' names, and if they did, they would be, for example, HRH Princess Eugenie of York, Mrs. Jack Brooksbank.

Roussette · 03/01/2023 14:38

purpledalmation · 03/01/2023 14:28

@Roussette Andrew hasn't been protected. The media have torn him to shreds. His name is mud. The royal family have stripped him of all his ceremonial titles and stopped him performing royal duties. Not sure how ignoring him is protecting him? Harry and Meghan have had similar treatment because it was their choice to walk away. No issue with that, good for them. The difference is (apart from one disasterous interview) he's kept his mouth shut and kept a low profile. Attended church Christmas Day ...minor.

Harry and Meghan in the other hand have monetised every single grievance they can muster over 7 hours of TV and various books and articles.

Most people would like them to shut up and live their lives in peace. They have more than enough millions, they just need to stop spending so much.

Thanks for your reply. I disagree I'm afraid.

There is so much he has done in the past, and the Queen protected him. It wasn't just Epstein, it was backhanders, mixing with arms dealers and ME oligarchs, have a look at his Wiki page. It isn't just opinion, there are plenty of links at the bottom. Of COURSE he has kept a low profile, we pay for him and his 25year divorced ex, he has no choice!

Harry and Meghan in the other hand have monetised every single grievance they can muster over 7 hours of TV and various books and articles.

Maybe they actually have a point?

Roussette · 03/01/2023 14:38

purpledalmation · 03/01/2023 14:22

Harry's latest offering on 60 minutes (trailer) he says all the press stories originated in the royal family. So he blames them primarily

Well... we haven't seen it yet have we?

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 04/01/2023 23:45

SenecaFallsRedux · 03/01/2023 14:29

If Andrew lost his Duke of York title, it would have no effect on Beatrice and Eugenie, except that they would no longer be "of York." They would still be HRH Princess, unless the King removed those titles. Also, they did not lose those titles when they married. They are not required to use their husbands' names, and if they did, they would be, for example, HRH Princess Eugenie of York, Mrs. Jack Brooksbank.

It would be interesting to see if they did lose/drop the “of York”.

Princess Alexandra and Prince Michael are still “of Kent” long after the death of their father and their brother became the Duke, so presumably Beatrice and Eugenie will remain “of York” after Andrew’s death. The “of Xxx” generally seems dropped after the father or the person themselves get a new/better title so would be a curious one.