Discussing the things we liked about Harry and Meghan's Netflix documentary series

[MrsMaxDeWinter]

There are so many threads on things posters hated about Harry and Meghan, the Netflix series, and fair play to those posters, so I thought I would have a go at stating a thread discussing some of the things that posters liked about the series.

I'll start.

I liked that this was supposed to be this bomb detonation, but has actually been a measured, warm, and loving look at H and M's relationship, and the pressures that the press put on them, and also on other royals. I genuinely did not notice anything incendiary. Maybe that is still to come.

I enjoyed the thoughtful insights shared on the invisible contract, especially, as Harry says, having to perform for a press that you know has said hurtful things about people you love.

I loved the warm memories of Sandringham, and meeting the Queen. And Meghan's memories of growing up. I think it was a wise, though sad, that they did not include Thomas. I really loved hearing Doria: my favourite bit is when a journalist offered her money, for an interview about Meghan and she said, "That's my child!"

I also learned for the first time about Meghan's relationship with her sister Samantha's daughter Ashleigh. I had no idea that she had been raised by her grandparents who adopted her, or that she had such a warm and caring relationship with Meghan. Along with Doria's, that was my favourite interview.

I enjoyed hearing from her childhood friends, as it is often said here that she had no friends who came to the wedding etc, just celebrities. They seem a tight nit grip who have been here fr years, and I am glad she has them.

I was gobsmacked that she needed security in Toronto after the relationship was announced.

I also thought the discussion on racism, in its wider context of colonialism and imperialism, was very well done, but then again it was led by David Olusoga and Afua Hirsch, who are always great, and I love their writing.

Most of all I love that Harry confronted head on the Nazi uniform debacle, and what he learned from it. And I loved, loved, loved, the segment on his life in Lesotho where they gave him the Sesotho name, "Mahale". A wonderful name.

“It was one of the biggest mistakes of my life,” Harry said. “I felt so ashamed afterwards. All I wanted to do was make it right. I sat down and spoke to the chief rabbi in London, which had a profound effect on me. I went to Berlin and spoke to a Holocaust survivor. I could have just ignored it and made the same mistakes over again in my life. But I learned from that.”

I predicted on another thread that Harry would address this and other episodes head on in his book. I was scoffed roundly for this. I expect him to say more in is book, and I am happy to be proved right.

If only for this, I am very glad they did this.

Don't know why people still insist on denying that the palace was leaking when the reporters themselves keep telling us they do.

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'Don't know why people still insist on denying that the palace was leaking when the reporters themselves keep telling us they do'

So let's see or hear the proof! A recorded meeting or phone call, a WhatsApp, an email, something. I mean all this leaking there must be a shred of evidence surely. Perhaps the Palace staff go out in disguise and meet journalists down dark allies to give them the goss? Even so you'd think someone would furtively press 'record'. Its all just desperate claims to sully KP as Harry thinks he should be King and M should be Queen .

So piers Morgan and Dan wootten are sullying KP?

I’m wondering what evidence you have that ‘Harry thinks he should be king and M should be Queen.’ ‘A recorded meeting, phone call, a WhatsApp, an email?’

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There is no doubt is there that palace places stories. That surely can’t be in dispute?

what is in dispute is fhey were negatively briefing against Meghan because they wished to bury other stories and as they were jealous of her

thats what’s in dispute.

'I’m wondering what evidence you have that ‘Harry thinks he should be king and M should be Queen.’ ‘A recorded meeting, phone call, a WhatsApp, an email?’

Well no, it is my opinion that they wanted to be far more important in the pecking order than they were and to be able to do exactly as they pleased. I'm not suggesting anyone at the palace told me this obviously and nor am I suggesting it as fact.

It depends on what you mean by 'place stories', doesn't it? Where I work we have a Comms team that puts out press releases, builds relationships with journalists in the sector, and makes intros if a member of the press is interested in a particular angle and it seems balanced (if not positive). Also makes statements reacting to negative stories, either acknowledging faults and what is being done to rectify them, or challenging anything not truthful.

So yes, it is part of the Comms team job to 'place stories' to get a positive picture out there, which the press might or might not go with. I have no doubt the Comms teams of the RF do that, it's their job.

Whether they had a nefarious scheme to fabricate untrue stories about H&M, or deliberately present them in the worst possible light to make others look better in comparison? That's where the people making the accusations need to provide some evidence. And be prepared for similar actions by their own teams, if any, to become public.

The bottom line is Meghan was not famous and wanted to join the royal family because she thought she would become famous as a royal. She soon realised they would never be the most famous royals, but part of a team. Meghan isn't a team player so when she realised she would not be the most famous royal, she decided to be the most famous ex royal. They've got what she wanted.

'what is in dispute is fhey were negatively briefing against Meghan because they wished to bury other stories and as they were jealous of her'

Sorry yes that is what I meant. Where is the evidence that 'they' were negatively briefing anyone specifically because anyone was jealous? Perhaps the Sussexes were indeed behaving badly and looking at their egotistical and narcissistic telly show it's easy to believe that was the case.

I think she didn't understand the difference between 'celebrity' and the RF. One of the funniest bits of the trailer (second one, I think?) was Harry announcing portentously that 'there is a hierarchy in the RF'. 😂

The whole raison d'etre of the RF is a social hierarchy that puts them at the top. And H's titles are all about hierarchy - a 'Duke' somehow being a better? more important? more significant? person than someone without a title.

So yes, when it comes to co-ordinating outfits on a formal occasion, there is a protocol about who gets first choice of what to wear. Either everyone co-ordinates and follows instructions from the top (red, white or blue e.g., at the Commonwealth service when M wore green, recent carol concert where most of the senior women wore burgundy) or everyone different. And then the hierarchy would be Queen, Camilla, Catherine, then Meghan. No matter how much any of them stunned the cameras on the red carpet, that was the hierarchy.

Buy into it or walk away. If you think it is ludicrous in this day and age (very understandable) drop the titles and go and live in a country where titles aren't recognised (😂) such as the USA!

It's like the OP saying that this should be a thread about what people liked about the 'documentary' - you can put it out there all you want, but other people don't have to go with it!

They were never going to accept her. The rude sniggering and side eyes during the wedding from Camilla, Kate, Zara and Beatrice was appalling. She was too much of a strong women and they didn't like her having opinions. The role of royal wife is very much stepford and that's not Meghan.

So why want to be 'half in'?

Why use the title?

Funny.

Everyone looking for evidence of planted stories is studiously ignoring what we have already seen.

Harry said that his name was put to a statement that exonerated William of bullying. No one has countered this, not even the "anonymous" sources.

Also ignored is the "Meghan Made Kate Cry" story. It was not only untrue as Meghan explained, including that Kate brought around flowers and a note to apologise, but it was also planted way after the wedding, where any newsworthiness, even if the story had been true, was long gone.

You are also ignoring that Jason Knauf tipped off Valentine Low on the bullying complaints, in a story that was published just before the Oprah Winfrey interview. We still have not seen this bullying report, and reports are that the " bullied people" were unhappy that Jason had used their names in his report.

This is the same Jason Knauf whose shady actions saw him effectively support the Daily Mail in their case against Meghan.

We also know that Dan Wooton leaked the departure story, after Harry shared it with the three palaces, BP, KP, and CP. Dan Wooton himself said in a video widely circulated on Twitter this week that the leaks against Meghan were coming from inside the Palaces.

Piers Morgan, who recently had a cosy lunch with Camilla and others, also wrote that a senior Member of the Royal Family had thanked him for his anti-Meghan tirades. Jobson and at least three other journalists have also confirmed that KP in particular briefed against Meghan.

Not sure how much more evidence you need that there was a clear agenda, and that it started once she became really popular with the press and the public.

Wasn't it funny to you how much Thomas and Samantha kept popping up around the Andrew scandal? The press knew about the Markles' lies, but still propped them up so the stories ran and ran and ran.

On that one, H and M say that some of their problems began when Meghan appeared solo in a front page Telegraph story after a Remembrance Day event in which the entire family participated, including the Queen and DoE, Will and Kate.

Why do you believe the Telegraph featured only Meghan in a big front page spread? If you can answer that question honestly, without bias, and if you can understand that the media is the lifeblood of the monarchy, and if you remember Diana talking about the resentment she received because she became a media darling, then you can perhaps enter into the minds of some of the Royal Family members and aides, and understand why they would have been troubled by that image.

Whether they had a nefarious scheme to fabricate untrue stories about H&M, or deliberately present them in the worst possible light to make others look better in comparison? That's where the people making the accusations need to provide some evidence. And be prepared for similar actions by their own teams, if any, to become public.

Can I refer you to the link I posted? The journalist is clearly saying all negative stories about Harry and Meghan came from Kensington Palace. I'd be interested to see more evidence, but in the meantime do you believe it or not? Is the journalist lying? I don't think that's likely. What is your view?

Piers Morgan is utterly repugnant and cosying up to Camilla now yuk. Maybe the senior royal congratulating him over Meghan was her??

I find it bizarre that she has invited prince Andrew to Sandringham for Christmas but not her stepson and wife who she doesn't appear to make much effort with. Meghan was virtually ignored by her at the queens funeral.

Not to be a suck-up but another brilliant post @MrsMaxDeWinter.
Difficult to deny isn't it? I mean, it's not a well-kept secret. At all.

I would have preferred that this thread remained what it started as, a place to discuss what we liked about the Series. But I don't believe in censorship, although I am curious to know why you and others are so keen to stop us having a positive discussion, when you can post your negative views on so many other existing threads, including starting your own.

I suspect I know what it is, but it's okay. So rock on, sister.

You are free to write what you wish, and I and others are free to ignore it, particularly those of us who wish to stay positive. To again quote Meghan, I am making a new year's resolution not to elevate that which is beneath me.

And my New Year has come early. 😊

I have no idea whether or not they are telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!

I look forward to H&M providing details and evidence - no doubt that will be easy for them to provide given it is so cut and dried!

I think MrsMaxdeWinter has got it covered. Multiple sources saying the same thing.

What a lovely sentiment! I look forward to Meghan living up to it 😂

They never sniggered at Meghan.
Even Meghan laughed at the preacher.

I don't see how Kate is not viewed as a strong woman. Why is it only women who have to go on and on in public about what they think is a strong woman? The Queen never expressed her opinions publicly why does that make her weak?

no doubt that will be easy for them to provide given it is so cut and dried!

And I doubt Harry and Meghan would have that information since we're talking about the classic 'anonymous sources' coming from KP. Why would they have access to that? Clearly not. So maybe we can look at the multiple statements from the journalists who received the stories. You don't seem keen to acknowledge that.

Thank you so much, I am in a happy mood @Aspiringmatriarch and have time on my hands. My travel plans were severely derailed yesterday, and but I managed to get on a train despite the strikes, so I am feeling extremely cheerful as I travel north for Christmas.

Hoping all here are warm and safe in this bleak weather.

Despite the inconvenience, I am wishing all the best to the striking workers from all sectors, and hope that the dispute is resolved soon.

@MarshaMelrose during the preacher they were sniggering and looking at each other, incredibly rude. Kate is just a stepford wife who never gives an opinion she's like a cardboard cut out which is what the institution wants. She might be strong who knows ??