Discussing the things we liked about Harry and Meghan's Netflix documentary series

[MrsMaxDeWinter]

There are so many threads on things posters hated about Harry and Meghan, the Netflix series, and fair play to those posters, so I thought I would have a go at stating a thread discussing some of the things that posters liked about the series.

I'll start.

I liked that this was supposed to be this bomb detonation, but has actually been a measured, warm, and loving look at H and M's relationship, and the pressures that the press put on them, and also on other royals. I genuinely did not notice anything incendiary. Maybe that is still to come.

I enjoyed the thoughtful insights shared on the invisible contract, especially, as Harry says, having to perform for a press that you know has said hurtful things about people you love.

I loved the warm memories of Sandringham, and meeting the Queen. And Meghan's memories of growing up. I think it was a wise, though sad, that they did not include Thomas. I really loved hearing Doria: my favourite bit is when a journalist offered her money, for an interview about Meghan and she said, "That's my child!"

I also learned for the first time about Meghan's relationship with her sister Samantha's daughter Ashleigh. I had no idea that she had been raised by her grandparents who adopted her, or that she had such a warm and caring relationship with Meghan. Along with Doria's, that was my favourite interview.

I enjoyed hearing from her childhood friends, as it is often said here that she had no friends who came to the wedding etc, just celebrities. They seem a tight nit grip who have been here fr years, and I am glad she has them.

I was gobsmacked that she needed security in Toronto after the relationship was announced.

I also thought the discussion on racism, in its wider context of colonialism and imperialism, was very well done, but then again it was led by David Olusoga and Afua Hirsch, who are always great, and I love their writing.

Most of all I love that Harry confronted head on the Nazi uniform debacle, and what he learned from it. And I loved, loved, loved, the segment on his life in Lesotho where they gave him the Sesotho name, "Mahale". A wonderful name.

“It was one of the biggest mistakes of my life,” Harry said. “I felt so ashamed afterwards. All I wanted to do was make it right. I sat down and spoke to the chief rabbi in London, which had a profound effect on me. I went to Berlin and spoke to a Holocaust survivor. I could have just ignored it and made the same mistakes over again in my life. But I learned from that.”

I predicted on another thread that Harry would address this and other episodes head on in his book. I was scoffed roundly for this. I expect him to say more in is book, and I am happy to be proved right.

If only for this, I am very glad they did this.

Therefore, if she was proven to have lied (and I haven’t read the transcripts so I don’t know if this is correct), the court have clearly decided it didn’t matter at least once.

Yes, she was admonished for misleading the court and she apologised.
And I'm pretty sure it's a set principle in court procedure that lying always matters. 🤔

I agree.@PreparationPreparationPrep

Tbf the emails that were leaked don't show that she 'collaborated' with Omid Scobie on the book Finding Freedom, which was what was being claimed. It wasn't relevant to the case really but the emails showed she provided some boilerplate background information and wasn't keen on the book being written but was advised by Jason Knauf not to be obstructive or tell her friends not to speak to Scobie and Durrant (co-author). So the story about it being basically a ghostwritten puff piece was disproven. She apologised for forgetting about the emails. Knauf was in charge of their communications (and was actually pushing them to collaborate more on the book), and would have probably sent similar information to various people who approached them. It was all publicly available stuff too.
Harry, who I don't think was a party to the case, sent an email to the effect that it was important to be able to say they hadn't worked on it but would be helpful to include information giving their side of things.
I think it was stretching the truth a bit, but they rightfully denied that the book was in any way their project.

Yep. That poster left out that she was getting a percentage of the profits they made (predicted at millions, why do you think they have a special tab for her on their website). It pissed the Fail off.

This faux outrage at 'she lied in court' when people don't acknowledge that it was Jason who spoke to Scobie, not MM herself - the same JK who testified against her in court.

Thank you.

JK knew that Scobie was a faceless biographer as far as MM was concerned at that time. He arranged all of that. Glad the judge saw right through him !

A whole prince was walking around banging his head on low ceilings. 😅. I always believed H was living off his pension money, rather than the millions that the palace had us believe.

Just randomly came across this on SM. When Harry met Harry 😍. Which British faves are missing here? Eddy R, Tom H, David T ? Just saying random names of popular British actors.........

He is effing tall isn't he.

Am rewatching now.

Touched by Doria and felt her pain.

Highlight for me was Harry's reaction to Beyonce message !

That was great 😄 Also how good does Harry look in glasses?!

Court of Appeal 8newsquare.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Duchess-of-Sussex-v-Associated-Newspapers-Ltd-1.pdf 2 Dec 2021

Court of Appeal hearings www.judiciary.uk/live-hearings/hrh-the-duchess-of-sussex-claimant-respondent-v-associated-newspapers-ltd-defendant-appellant/

High Court www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Ch/2021/273.html

Ah there was an 8th judgment in the case too www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Duchess-of-Sussex-v-Associated-judgment.pdf

Have been travelling from sunny to icy climes so could not post.

I loved the last three episodes.

So many takeaways.

Kensington Palace, and by extension William, adding Harry's name to a statement he definitely did not make. Yikes.

Every time they submitted their plans in writing, the plans leaked.

Tyler Perry being Lili's godfather, but saying, I hope we don't have to do the christening with THEM. I found that very funny.

The fact that "Black American Royalty",Beyonce, Tyler, Oprah, are in their corner. The fact that a black man they did not know came to their rescue when they were desperate to leave Canada.

Tyler saying Meghan could say a lot more if she wished.

The Daily Mail not once referring to the fact that the last episode is largely about the Daily Mail law suit has filled me with girlish glee.

In fact, the silencing of much of the media nut jobs has filled me with great glee.

Separately, nice to see Susan Hussey and Ngozi Fulani had a cordial meeting. Interesting to see Buckingham Palace push back against the hideous social media trolling and abuse Ngozi Fulani received.

Alas, if they had only done that for Meghan.

'Tyler Perry being Lili's godfather, but saying, I hope we don't have to do the christening with THEM. I found that very funny.'

And yet imagine how inappropriate it would have been if anyone had said the same about not attending anything that Perry was.

The double standards surrounding the Sussexes and their pals is the only thing that is 'very funny' about the whole circus.

£1 for breach of privacy (her lawyers stated in court that she would accept a nominal sum on that point) and unspecified damages for the copyright issue. The unspecified damages were based on the assessment of profits (i.e. how much the Mail made from publishing the letter), although there was a negotiated settlement so we don’t know how much it was other than the fact her lawyers said she was ‘satisfied’). It was also publicly stated the newspaper has paid £750,000 of her costs on account with more to come.

The ‘£1 damages’ is another example of the tabloids telling the truth in such a way as to give a completely false impression (i.e. that the Mail didn’t have to pay her what is likely to be in total literally millions of pounds). The fact that reputable media like the BBC parroted what the tabloids said was a failure of journalism.

Also, to reply to other posters, being proved completely legally correct (she had copyright and the newspaper could not legally print the letter) is not a ‘technicality’. The Judge thought the newspaper case was so legally laughable he wouldn’t even let them take the case to trial as nothing in their paperwork amounted to any sort of defence. The Mail also lost their appeal on the same point so it wasn’t one rogue Judge.

I don’t know about the privacy damages but the copyright infringement damages were going to be based on the amount of money the Mail made off publishing the letter with that being calculated by the court.

The Mail didn’t want to go into how they calculate profit in an open court hearing (I would guess it’s commercially sensitive) so, once they lost the case, they offered a settlement and Meghan took it. I’m guessing it was reasonably large as otherwise there would have been nothing to stop her taking the damages assessment to a full hearing in front of the Judge.

@Talia99

You seem to be avoiding the point about having to correct the court record

She lied, omid scobie lied and they were caught

I’m not ignoring it. I already noted the Judge thought it was irrelevant and that hasn’t changed.

If there is a case where her credibility is an issue in the future, I’m sure the opposing lawyers will bring it up. If she and Harry continue to only sue when they are clearly legally in the right (as in the Mail case), I’m equally sure the Judge in any future cases will find it to be equally irrelevant as the Judge in this case.

She apologised for forgetting about the emails.

No, she apologised for misleading the court.

The Duchess of Sussex has apologised to a court for making a misleading statement in her privacy case against the Mail on Sunday's publishers.

The Appeal Court heard she had asked an aide to pass on information to the authors of a biography - despite having earlier said she "did not contribute".

"When I approved the passage...I did not have the benefit of seeing these emails and I apologise to the court for the fact that I had not remembered these exchanges at the time. I had absolutely no wish or intention to mislead the defendant or the court."

She actually gave a variety of information on her own life as well as her inter family relationships, including comments on her half sisters children. She also took the opportunity to put her side of the tiara story, writing it in the third person. They also requested that Jason impart how hard their had been. These are all contributions which she denied she had made.

I’ve watched all episodes now and actually on reflection, I view them more favourably now. I was neutral/a little bit positive towards them before - but I can see now that there were some tabloid-headlines that I had unconciously taken as fact.

Yes, Meghan is a bit too LA/American for me sometimes still and you can see that Harry is still very angry about his mother and the way the press hounded her.

But on balance I feel it was a good thing for them to tell their story - rather than the tabloids or the royal family press office - so that people can hear it from their perspective and decide for themselves. I came away thinking, good for you Harry to escaped that circus and found someone to build a better life with.

I am appalled that Charles and William would be a party to leaking stories about Harry and Meghan to the gutter press. They should have been n the phone to these editors telling them to back off - not fuelling the fire. They are exposed for the people they are - it's not a good look.

Did anyone else notice how much Harry looks like prince Philip nowadays? Especially the nose and the twinkle in his eyes...

I came away thinking, good for you Harry to escaped that circus and found someone to build a better life with

Yes. The moral of the tale for me is if you your family are toxic to your health and well being, do the adult thing and withdraw yourself and your family from the circus. Don’t keep going back into the arena to be abused some more.

@MarshaMelrose

"When I approved the passage...I did not have the benefit of seeing these emails and I apologise to the court for the fact that I had not remembered these exchanges at the time. I had absolutely no wish or intention to mislead the defendant or the court."

So she did apologise for forgetting the emails. You quoted that in your own post. She said she had no intention to mislead the court.

I'm aware she provided information via Knauf, I addressed that in my earlier post.

That’s not the trajectory though is it?

They didn’t want to leave a toxic family - that’s their revisionist version.

They wanted half in half out - when that wasn’t facilitated they left and created a narrative.

The bigger surprise for me is that MM - left leaning, altruistic campaigner with a degree in International Relations would even contemplate going on a date with someone from such parasitic heritage …. never mind marry into that institution and continue to use their branding / titles after leaving and disparaging them.

Hypocritical and disingenuous.

They wanted half in half out - when that wasn’t facilitated they left and created a narrative.

Why is it so difficult for you to just listen to what they've said? Or are you one of the people who disbelieves everything? If you watch the documentary, they talk about the whole situation, what led up to it, what was leaked, the stonewalling and delaying, and the different options that were discussed at the time. What you're saying is just false.

When push comes to shove it's a toxic family. Charles and William obviously care less for their family than any outdated monarchy. I hope it falls under Charles.

Exactly. She apologised for forgetting the emails that caused her to mislead the court into believing that she had not cooperated over the book. Maybe she had no wish to mislead the court but she did.

I mean if you want to stick to your argument that she apologised for forgetting some emails. Go ahead. But why would the court care about that? The only reason they cared was because by doing so she misled the court.

And just to add when Knauf gave his witness statement with the evidence that she'd lied, her legal team did not want him to give it. So her lawyer, Jenny Aia, is only interested in lies being exposed if they're not Meghan's lies.